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Thinking of bugging out to the country? Think again.

 
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11/26/2012 03:11 PM
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people can and will adapt. Its human nature. go back far enough, we all came from 'the country'...still a funny thread thoughrockon
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Gave the house in the city back to the bank and have scarcely looked back.... love the country... left the EBT foodstamp section 8 junkies behind. Neighbors help and barter too where we live and have taught us. BABYLON IS COMING DOWN FAST.
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11/27/2012 05:18 PM
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I have a suggestion for you....

But first, I agree with everything you said. It's likely more than true that city slicker can't turn into a country bumpkin overnight that's for sure. I don't think I'd give up city living as I'm just too use to it. Just visit the country once in a while instead.

Okay the suggestion.... If you have a big farm why don't you set it up so that you can sell time shares to your property. maybe it would work something like this....

In case the SHTF some rich people could buy time share to a small bit of your land. You'd have to figure out how many people could be sustained at your location or how much land you could divide up. Then people could pay you to reserve that spot. So if the SHTF they could bug out to you farm to the location they resevered on it.

You might even be able to set it up as a RV storage spot with that as the cover for g==v purposes. But then the underlying thing you sell the public is that this would be there bug out location that they're paying to reserve. Almost like a timeshare. Something they can gift to there kids as well. Anyway just a thought.
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11/27/2012 05:36 PM
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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I dunno how many of you have actually tried going to the "bush", living in the wilderness, but he's so right it makes me spit up my for-granted poison, coca-cola. Most of you, myself included, are addicted hopelessly to sugar, likely many other things as well, and don't know it. Your first attempt will be absolute hell for that fact alone as the withdrawals of your habits ravage your body, and you will have not a clue to why it's happening unless you heed this. We are all whores addicted to the drugs they push on us, that keep us squandering our souls for their ends. I've gone the hard road, traveled with hippies and lived by fires, and even then very controlled by the good will of strangers and reliant on civilization, yet even so nearly found my end.Life totally is an illusion, at least life as we have been taught. Lucky are those who grew up simply, who lived with little and who has family raised likewise. All of your skills, well most of them, will do little if nothing in a post-apocalyptic situation. The longer you have been in the system plays a vital role as well, as change alone can be so dramatic as to cause shock, and will do so to much worse effect in those who are older and more complacent/content with the life they knew.
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I have a suggestion for you....

But first, I agree with everything you said. It's likely more than true that city slicker can't turn into a country bumpkin overnight that's for sure. I don't think I'd give up city living as I'm just too use to it. Just visit the country once in a while instead.

Okay the suggestion.... If you have a big farm why don't you set it up so that you can sell time shares to your property. maybe it would work something like this....

In case the SHTF some rich people could buy time share to a small bit of your land. You'd have to figure out how many people could be sustained at your location or how much land you could divide up. Then people could pay you to reserve that spot. So if the SHTF they could bug out to you farm to the location they resevered on it.

You might even be able to set it up as a RV storage spot with that as the cover for g==v purposes. But then the underlying thing you sell the public is that this would be there bug out location that they're paying to reserve. Almost like a timeshare. Something they can gift to there kids as well. Anyway just a thought.
 Quoting: Rtruth


Here has been the experience of our family, who have been farmers since the beginning of time. Those rich people who paid for a chunk of land, bug out or not, will do the following:

1- drive through your fields when they are muddy, tear them up,get stuck and then come knocking for you to pull them out

2 - leave all your gates open as they tear through in their brand new Dodge Ram (in the west) or Ford F-250 (in the east)

3 - cut your fences if they decide they want to go through

4 - plant some exotic grass or vine which is known to be loaded with antioxidants, which it will gladly share with your crops as it tears through them like kudzu

5 - bring a bunch of ill behaved dogs which will chase your stock and your chickens

6 - leave for a 3 week vacation and give you a call the night before they leave instructing you how to feed their horses and pets

7 - complain about the dust, noise, crop spray that go along with modern agriculture

8 - work feverishly with the county commisioners to get the dust, noise, and crop spray banned as not in line with Agenda 21 guidelines for particulates, herbicide, whatever

9 - suggest that you bond with the wolves which are killing your stock, instead of shooting at them, maybe take some sensitivity training

10 - go hysterical when they see the guys who have been hunting on your land for decades go walking by with guns

and on and on and on.

Worst part of it would be, if they bugged to your place, there is a 99% chance they would be unprepared, and end up as your dependents.

People have NO IDEA how much food a family consumes, or how to grow and preserve it. To can just 1 quart of food for each day of the year means that you will need to can over 50 canner loads. That in itself is a LOT of work.

No offense intended, that is just the way it is.

If you think you might want to bug out to the country, go now and buy some land and get your homestead started right now. Do not expect to just go there and start living off the land when SHTF.

So..

That is why we just keep our city friends as friends, they are much more valuable to us that way than on our property.
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Where the hell do you own a hundred acres that is effected by a 'city' ordinance? I live on 300, lease 200, and manage 5K, we are a 12 miles from town.

Me thinks ye are full of bull butter!
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Can you read? I said town. Population of about a 1000 over 30 square miles. Five years ago enough urban refugees had infiltrated the town government enough to mandate that a land usage code be developed and implemented. One of the restrictions was on the number of pigs one could keep; regardless of acreage or zoning. This is what is happening across the country. Maybe not yet where you live, but it is coming whether you believe it or not.
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Anybody who is thinking about getting land in the country should check out county building and zoning codes too. We have a little land in Idaho and I was thinking maybe put a little cabin there, until I talked to the people at the county courthouse. Those immigrants from the cities have infiltrated and now two nearby counties I know of have implemented the Agenda 21 UN Uniform Building Code. Insane!! You have to hook up to electricity if it is near. You have to have a heater that will keep the place 60 degrees year round unattended and wood heat will SPECIFICALLY not fit the requirement. You have to have a fan in the bathroom! And on and on.

When I mentioned that people might want to just put in a little hunting cabin, the guy was so upset. "We can't have people just putting up cabins all over the place!" Well, knowing when to chose my battles, I did not ask him why the heck not.

So if you wait until SHTF they will not bother you, but then it will be too late then anyway.

The world has gone nuts.

I was hoping that the cold winters would discourage a lot of them, but they seem to be adapting....

huffy
*********** WaterLily ***********
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Disturb the universe?"
-- T. S. Elliot, Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

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-- Jorge Luis Borges
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"Pompey made his preparations for the war at the end of the winter, entered upon it at the commencement of spring,
and finished it in the middle of the summer."
-- Cicero, De Imperio Cn. Pompei
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12/01/2012 08:56 PM
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the plains indians lived on corn, beans and squash;
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bump
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OP is living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. The country has gone hitech as the city. Dairy farms have robitics to milk cows and operate tractors. I have no idea what the OP is nattering on about.
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Might be true now, but in a situation that would cause you to bug out, there likely would not be any more electricity and diesel & gasoline would soon be gone.

An incredible amount of hard manual labor!
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where oh where are you tonight
and why did you leave me here all alone...

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