Thinking of bugging out to the country? Think again.

Food forests, food jungles ... IMAGINE THE PREDATORS THAT HANG OUT THERE,

OK, here is the dirty truth about permaculture: it is based on cultivating land that produces year round with additional land producing mulches and compost. It is a rarefied acreage that can actually implement a full permaculture regime. In the US perhaps parts of Florida are appropriate. Outside that you have to modify the process.

Believe me, if I tried to have 6 layers of food going under my fruit trees here at 43.5 lattitude, I would not get anywhere near the crop I do because the nutrients would be going to other than the trees. Permaculture is a novel goal, but unattainable for most.

and farming is considered to be one the most dangerous jobs

By the way, I'll just go ahead and add this. I have also subsisted quite well on one meal per week. The rest of the time I drank juice or milk. I had no energy loss. In fact, it was quite the opposite. I did this for 68 days. I wanted to find out how little food I could subsist on.

I have also experimented with sprouts, which are packed with nutrition. I don't really care for them but I found ways to incorporate then into my diet that makes them palatable.

I think all of us can probably find out that we can get by on less food than we think and we can power pack our nutritional needs. Don't be afraid to experiment.

Most of all, I think it's important to get scarcity and doom thinking out of our mindsets.

with thousands and thousands of gallons of water. moved by fossil fuels.

As i lay hers reading this i can see my breath. 6 pm started fire in stove at 11 am and it is only 10c in the cabin. Metros and homos wont make it when the power is out. My black co- worker goes home to his white wife and brood of three to spend his six days off playing geArs of war. Yet he has no real guns. The cities will be cut throat chaos. Get away of the people the minorities with a strong sense of entitlement.

Please go to YouTube and watch some of the permaculture videos. I don't know about your latitude and the rest, but if everybody starts growing food instead of lawns (for God's sake, LOL), it would be amazing the difference just that would make.

I need more ammo

There are ways to make living in a very rural are work, mostly by working together but in the end it will all burn......that is a promise.

I own this amongst others:

[link to www.worldcat.org]

I have used many of the concepts therein. Mollison was greatly influenced by rainforests in his conceptualizations. If you live in one fine. Most in this country do not.

agenda 21 is coming.

it won't matter...

I'm just hoping Jesus comes first.

or maybe rapture.

don't want to live in the hunger games.

You sound rather dependant on technology, will you have guaranteed electricity supply?

No. They use rainwater. I found the video about rainwater being used in the neighborhood this poster and I have been trying to find. Please just study it for yourself. Try to be open minded about it. Wouldn't it be great if you learned something that could help you and your family like this?

Yes, 2 1800 solar power generators.

Awesome. But, I posted a video where Bill talks about how the permaculture sets up a rainforest atmosphere....after a while. (He doesn't use the word rainforest but it's the same idea.) I posted it already so won't post it again.

2 1800 watt solar power generators

Again misleading at best. Yes, in a rainforest the amount of natural rainfall will support multiple layers of plantlife. Live elsewhere and you have to supplement the rainfall. That is why Mollison goes into great detail about rainwater harvesting and the various ways to move that stored water over to your cultivation plots. He is very explicit that you will need to capture and move water to make his systems thrive.

Ummmmm really? You think that no matter where you are a 1/8 acre plot will become a rain forest? ooof.

So, figure out a way around that. There's also a YT video of a guy that has a Tesla coil he built at his house. Check out [link to www.keshefoundation.org] Geez, there are so many working on these problems, surely we can come up with some solutions....or find those who have already figured them out.

You have to supplement it until you have the installation working on its own. They are reclaiming deserts with food forests.

This is a very sad thread.

That is because the majority are caught in the mindset of, "American Famrming," i.e., largely people of a European background.

Now.

Let me show you a better way.
That has been used for thousands of years to sustain life.

I'll just give you two things.

One:
Cuy.

Google, YT.

THE most elegant protein source.
They eat GRASS.
Centuries of raising them in homes in Peru, Ecuador.

Take little room. You will be amazed at just how little. Amazed. Eat grass cuttings. Provide high quality... and very delicious... protein source.

Expand your minds. That is what it will take.

Two:
Check out the Vietnamese gardens in East New Orleans, in the Vietnamese enclave.
Check out the various levels/types of gardening that goes on.

Hint: the American way of planting St. Augustine lawns... the ultra-limiting mindset, may well one day kill very many if tshtf... simply because people have been entrained to think in particularly limited and dependent ways.

No being a paid member means I can't post pictures in this thread.
Which really is to the detriment of the entire forum.

Google.
As well, if you can watch the PBS show:
"Vietnamese Cuisine in New Orleans," advise you do so.
This does touch on the gardening practices, from simple to more complex.

You owe it to yourselves to explore how peoples in areas have survived for hundreds to thousands of years.

If you are going to make it, you really are going to have to learn to think outside the box.

I spit out that American Way of so much in terms of basic survival.
I went to, and looked at how other cultures did it for so long...
And still do it.

Learn or Die. (dramatic some?... yea... but, just saying... in an attempt to make a point).

Not overnight. No.

Lets be clear...when the SHTF...you will not walk out to the country and farm....you will not be welcome....

country fold will protect their lands from strangers.


if you are smart and get out now, then you have a chance.

do not think that you will walk out and stake a claim...not gonna happen as the land is already owned.

Hope you are armed and on 24/7 watch....because those panels will go BUH BYE really quick if it all goes to hell in a handbasket.

Hahahahaha lol op is just trying to scare you off.
Pick your location carefully. pick a tropical location. no winter and stuff grows year round and there's so much fruit it's falling off the trees. Aquaponics is a good idea but think in terms of things that you wont need supplies for if something breaks. Try thinking as natural as possible like just have fish ponds. You get some water lillies the fish eat the water lilllies and the mosquitos and bugs and algae. Or you can feed the fish coconut. Growing stuff is easy but start with organic seeds and learn how to sav seed the seeds that are hybrid dont grow the scond time around they are engineered to stop growing so that you have to keep buying seeds. Use companion planting to keep bugs out. Learn which plants are easy to propogate. Anyway, People make things hard for themselves... Harder than it needs to be. If you don't have to deal with winter that makes it even easier. Where I am bananas coconuts mangos guavas grow all over the place. If you are vegetarian you don't have to worry about livestock. Think about a Place where you can do it easier and sustainably. Study which foods are the most nutritious dense foods that are easy to grow like amaranth. Amaranth grows like a weed and its super nutrient dense. Also, you can do a lot I rural areas if you have a decent size back yard. People should have been thinking about edible landscaping. You don't need that many calories and you don't need to work as hard as the op does to just feed yourself and a family. If you think smart about it, it's not that hard.

There you go. There are many solutions to the problems we foresee.

Edit: typo

Last Edited by U3 on 11/25/2012 08:20 PM

That very well might happen, maybe I will have to install them in tree canopies. Great point.

Yah. Because those tropical regions are uninhabited. Everything I said about us hicks not having open hearts for the urban refugee goes a thousand fold for the people who currently inhabit tropical regions. The concept of other is universal. Trying to move out of the country is going to be an even bigger hurdle than dodging lead in the high county domestically...

600 calories won't even maintain your weight let alone give you any kind of reserve for physical work.

Starvation diet much?

Feral