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Thinking of bugging out to the country? Think again.

 
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most of the folks in small towns that I know (I have lived in a small town my whole life) are either meth cookers or welfare queens or both.

None of those worthless pieces of skin would be able to survive anything.

that's not everyone in the sticks, just the majority of them...
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I lived in a small town of about 1,200, closest large city was 3+ hours away. The welfare rate was 30%+ & there was always complaints about the meth cookers. There was also a lot of people who lived off grid in style. Another group was the x - fed agent types who moved there to get out of the city, I picked up on this right b4 sept of 2001.

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I have been in the woods 48 years and I don't care what anyone says, we are the kindest most helpful and well mannered people in the world... until you cross us.

If you move to the country... mind your own business if Joe has had a deer hanging in the tree for 3 days don't call Peta... it is a process that some like to do

Crackheads... don't stare at them, talk about them or report them, judges let them out in 24 hours and you're on their mind and they need a fix.

Real slow weird country folks... leave them alone, most of them get crazy checks and wackin you is just a trip to see family and friends.... and they always let them back out...

I don't think they count me as a old timer yet here... but leave the old guys alone... that is all we want anyway, to be left alone
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WhooBoy did you hit the nail on the head, OP! Especially people coming in and imposing their dream desires...for Green Acres & Cupcake Corners.
 Quoting: sTTsTTT


That's the part the flummoxes me the most. The urban refugee flees to have a place of their own and to be their own boss, then turns around and starts regulating neighbors that have been getting along just fine for ages. Hypocrites at best...
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Oh, now this I agree with 100%! We've got dipshits moving from California to Oklahoma trying to turn Oklahoma into California ! The very state they were forced to leave because of its poor economy and over regulation!
 Quoting: DarthDickheadus:AmericanSith




Yeah, that's what happened here in Oregon, probably because we are so conveniently located for the Californicators. They will knowingly move next door to a working farm or ranch, and the next thing you know they are trying to get the farmer/rancher put out of business because of smells and flies during the summer. Most of them just seem to "know" what's best for the rest of us, and they waste no time before they invade our local and State governments in their crusade to regulate us into the next San Diego, San Francisco, or Los Angeles. Then they'll start complaining that the State has "lost its' beauty, its' wilderness, and its' friendliness", and move somewhere ELSE to start the process all over again, leaving the rest of us to pick up the pieces and attempt to survive and make a living in the ruins which they created.
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I have been in the woods 48 years and I don't care what anyone says, we are the kindest most helpful and well mannered people in the world... until you cross us.

If you move to the country... mind your own business if Joe has had a deer hanging in the tree for 3 days don't call Peta... it is a process that some like to do

Crackheads... don't stare at them, talk about them or report them, judges let them out in 24 hours and you're on their mind and they need a fix.

Real slow weird country folks... leave them alone, most of them get crazy checks and wackin you is just a trip to see family and friends.... and they always let them back out...

I don't think they count me as a old timer yet here... but leave the old guys alone... that is all we want anyway, to be left alone
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You my friend, sound cool as hell. Very old school, remind me a lot of my uncle.
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Well it seems that there are a lot of knowledgeable people in this thread, so here goes. If living at 6000 feet, would growing indoors with a few 1000 watt hps/ mh lamps during the winter be more efficient than a green house? I can keep the greenhouse stable at 52 degrees in freezing temps but not sure if it would effect yields as much as I think. Any help would be appreciated
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Indoors in the winter would be better if you have the room. I would just use straight hps and no mh. Not much will grow at the temp you mentioned other that a few cold weather veggies. Not sure what "crops" you have in mind, but if it is what I think your talking about, indoors until warmer weather would be best.
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the greenhouse would keep your root crops in really good condition through those temps.. potatoes, carrots, beets, will maintain their nutrients really well if left at those temps and pulled when needed for a meal.. the cabbage and collard types also would do well, maintaining nutrients until cut to use for a meal.. they won't grow much at those temps but also won't rot if they aren't kept too wet.. The best kind of "cold cellar".

for the rest.. indoor grow lamps would work the best.. but you'd sure need a lot of space and ventilation otherwise you'll have way too much humidity in the house.
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I have been in the woods 48 years and I don't care what anyone says, we are the kindest most helpful and well mannered people in the world... until you cross us.

If you move to the country... mind your own business if Joe has had a deer hanging in the tree for 3 days don't call Peta... it is a process that some like to do

Crackheads... don't stare at them, talk about them or report them, judges let them out in 24 hours and you're on their mind and they need a fix.

Real slow weird country folks... leave them alone, most of them get crazy checks and wackin you is just a trip to see family and friends.... and they always let them back out...

I don't think they count me as a old timer yet here... but leave the old guys alone... that is all we want anyway, to be left alone
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Thank you. Humorous and spot on.

In addition, if a neighbor offers to help, don't get upset if they show up half in the wrapper with a bottle of hooch. Your way may not be theirs, but help is help.
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Hahahahaha lol op is just trying to scare you off.
Pick your location carefully. pick a tropical location.
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Yah. Because those tropical regions are uninhabited. Everything I said about us hicks not having open hearts for the urban refugee goes a thousand fold for the people who currently inhabit tropical regions. The concept of other is universal. Trying to move out of the country is going to be an even bigger hurdle than dodging lead in the high county domestically...
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If you are a nice person you can fit in anywhere.
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Well it seems that there are a lot of knowledgeable people in this thread, so here goes. If living at 6000 feet, would growing indoors with a few 1000 watt hps/ mh lamps during the winter be more efficient than a green house? I can keep the greenhouse stable at 52 degrees in freezing temps but not sure if it would effect yields as much as I think. Any help would be appreciated
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 957683


Indoors in the winter would be better if you have the room. I would just use straight hps and no mh. Not much will grow at the temp you mentioned other that a few cold weather veggies. Not sure what "crops" you have in mind, but if it is what I think your talking about, indoors until warmer weather would be best.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8433248


the greenhouse would keep your root crops in really good condition through those temps.. potatoes, carrots, beets, will maintain their nutrients really well if left at those temps and pulled when needed for a meal.. the cabbage and collard types also would do well, maintaining nutrients until cut to use for a meal.. they won't grow much at those temps but also won't rot if they aren't kept too wet.. The best kind of "cold cellar".

for the rest.. indoor grow lamps would work the best.. but you'd sure need a lot of space and ventilation otherwise you'll have way too much humidity in the house.
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Great info, all you guys/ girls are coming strong with some great info. I truly appreciate it. I think I have the ventilation covered with my inline fans. Do you think that running ventilation from my dryer into the greenhouse would help with the temps, I am already going to run an inline fan through my hps lights into my greenhouse, it also helps with maintaining heat levels in my grow room, any thoughts?
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to think that you are the only one that knows hardwork cause you live in the country just makes a you ........faggot./
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Wow, you really are a fucking idiot.
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more like a mental midget, i'd say....1rof1
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hey if you two wanna lik his balls doesn't mean we have to watch.
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WhooBoy did you hit the nail on the head, OP! Especially people coming in and imposing their dream desires...for Green Acres & Cupcake Corners.
 Quoting: sTTsTTT


That's the part the flummoxes me the most. The urban refugee flees to have a place of their own and to be their own boss, then turns around and starts regulating neighbors that have been getting along just fine for ages. Hypocrites at best...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26820407


Oh, now this I agree with 100%! We've got dipshits moving from California to Oklahoma trying to turn Oklahoma into California ! The very state they were forced to leave because of its poor economy and over regulation!
 Quoting: DarthDickheadus:AmericanSith




Yeah, that's what happened here in Oregon, probably because we are so conveniently located for the Californicators. They will knowingly move next door to a working farm or ranch, and the next thing you know they are trying to get the farmer/rancher put out of business because of smells and flies during the summer. Most of them just seem to "know" what's best for the rest of us, and they waste no time before they invade our local and State governments in their crusade to regulate us into the next San Diego, San Francisco, or Los Angeles. Then they'll start complaining that the State has "lost its' beauty, its' wilderness, and its' friendliness", and move somewhere ELSE to start the process all over again, leaving the rest of us to pick up the pieces and attempt to survive and make a living in the ruins which they created.
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Born right INTO the Depression ... 1928 ! Walked a mile and back to buy a relative of the owner of a small farm next door a pack of Luckies !$.17 meaning the change from a quarter, even a penny could buy a pack of 20 firecrackers, all the way from China, if he chose to 'reward me'.

WHAT has this got to do with the thread ? You must realize that farmer, with milking cows, etc. HAD to work in a town store WITH his wife to make ends meet, even though they had NO CHILDREN ! That Depression IS coming back in SPADES, and this time almost NO ONE in the country has a GOOD sized garden, OR knows anything about planting, harvesting, PRESERVING any left overs. And tools, seeds, etc?

Everyone hunted small and large game for the table, and about 25% had chickens for eggs, baking, etc. NOW those large tracts of land owned by the wealthy city people is all built up. ONLY about 60 acres of old farm land is left, BECAUSE where I live now is where the farms USED to be, and we called them Hicks, if they weren't too big.

Even IF we escape CMES/flares that knock out all electrical lines, gadgets, cars, banks, food delivery; their IS no WWIII, Obammy Care, there will ALWAYS be the parasitic Lawyers, banisters and politicians who produce NOTHING and live OFF of YOUR work/efforts by fines, fees, licenses, through 17,000,000 laws, rules, regulations and statutes, 99% of you have never even heard of either. AND, the currency is/WILL become worthless very soon ! Police state already in position, illegal alien fraud in control and bypassing CONgress with E.O.s !

Have only one working farm and tractor in 12 miles; next city and owned by a distant relative who is worried about dying, and NOTHING that is actually happening !

Enough. Stay in the cities and fight amongst yourselves over food shortages; don't come to the country, as we will fight for our right to live, food and family !

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Why do so many rural people think people who live in cities are weak and stupid?! You live in a fantasy world. Plus how can 320 million people in the U.S. all live in the 'country'? How? Does the boonies have a viable economy[s] to keep them and the U.S. afloat? Absofuckinglutely not.

And stop with the fear porn and out of control paranoia. It isn't doomsday or some post-apocalyptic place where I live [a big city], not by a long shot. We aren't all dodging bullets, foraging for food lmao .....I mean seriously, WTF? There are obviously a lot of people in this country and elsewhere who haven't been properly socialized growing up and haven't learned to get along comfortably with millions of others of their own species. The thought of living in any place bigger than say 50,000 people scares them.It's ridiculous.



If shit happens, we deal with it just like rural people. And you should realize a lot of the shit you see on the news, TV, movies is bullshit. They HYPE fear and chaos.
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We don't think you are stupid, for the most part. Weak, physically speaking, you are, in comparison. For example, I weigh in at 160lbs and am 6'2". I just put a welder weighing in at 789lbs into the bed of my full sized pickup, all alone with no tools other than my own muscles. This comes from a lifetime of hard, painful work. If you city people get a scratch, you run off to the hospital to get 4 or 5 stitches. If you are a man, that is just shameful and hysterical. If I open a gash 8" long and 1" deep, my sweaty shirt gets torn and tied around it while I continue to work. No antibiotics, no neosporin, hell, no clean water even is necessary. Never had an infection in my life. One of you would end up dead if you tried that. You are spoiled, weak, and sad, physically. What do you think would happen to you if you drank from the mountain stream I drink from on a daily basis? I've seen a few of you decide that if I can, so could you. The results were hillarious, but not pretty. You have NO idea what hard work is like. We work harder in recreation than you ever will at work. You are in your own world if you think you could hang with a country boy even for an hour, you are welcome to come try anytime. You would not last through a day of fishing with me, let alone work. We are hardened, tough, and unafraid.
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Don't! Stay in cities where you can easily be controlled, rounded up, fed, watered and monitored. It's scary aware from FEMA amenities when you need them most.
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and your a hick
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Put your money where your mouth is. Come out here and try to survive. You'll be crying for your conditioned cocoon in days.
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I lived in rural Alaska where there are no highways in or out and it's very cold for most of the year.

I survived for many years, and I moved there from a large city. People can adapt.
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You don't just plant fruit trees. You plant 7 layers of food.
I can't prove those statistics so you may be right, but there is still a case for permaculture.
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OK, here is the dirty truth about permaculture: it is based on cultivating land that produces year round with additional land producing mulches and compost. It is a rarefied acreage that can actually implement a full permaculture regime. In the US perhaps parts of Florida are appropriate. Outside that you have to modify the process.

Believe me, if I tried to have 6 layers of food going under my fruit trees here at 43.5 lattitude, I would not get anywhere near the crop I do because the nutrients would be going to other than the trees. Permaculture is a novel goal, but unattainable for most.
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Spot on OP!
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Or move to a smaller city or town (where they can find a job) and meet people who might be able to advise/help them build a better lifestyle. Hang out at the feed store, join a club, become active in a church, be a volunteer firefighter; become a part of the community.
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As someone who has lived in small towns, I can state, beyond any doubt, that small town life is not worth a damn.

Most small town people will not help anyone "build a better lifestyle" because they don't know what that means.

Some of the rudest people I've ever met lived in small towns.

When you live in a small town, you are isolated, depending on location, you might have to make a long drive to city for supplies or dine in a nice restaurant, and small towns are notorious for harboring lowlifes, the ignorant, and people who are unethical and immoral.

While there might be, and that's a stretch, a nicer upscale small town somewhere in this country . . . I feel relatively confident in stating that there is no pleasant, safe, happy little Mayberry-type town.
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FAIL.
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Uh, HOW do you label a FACTUAL post, based on a person's FACTUAL experiences to be a "fail"?

lol
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as a widow at age 23 w/ two kids, orphaned to start with, etc and a dam good builder, auto repair, plumbing, elc, and so on and secretary, this grandma has been through raising my kids in the woods, making an income, baking bread, bagging deer etc, some of the other orphans in the foster care system went to the streets, I went to the woods on my own 50 years ago, there are places even I can not go now. Some are cut off by the gov the rest is cut off by the clam that is cut off by the state, I have no problem with the clan but the state cut off the clan. I am mesianic jew and my doctor is black. The clan does not have a provlem with me or blacks or jews. It is the governments reiking havoc on the world under these demises.
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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I'm sure those of us with IQs above 140 will manage.
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I am buying farm land in Ecuador.most fertile on earth,get a passport and leave the police state
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Lets be clear...when the SHTF...you will not walk out to the country and farm....you will not be welcome....

country fold will protect their lands from strangers.


if you are smart and get out now, then you have a chance.

do not think that you will walk out and stake a claim...not gonna happen as the land is already owned.
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You country people sure are arrogant when it comes to the SHTF scenarios, aren't you?

Truth is, there is no guarantee whatsoever that those living in rural areas will be any more safe and secure than those living in cities and larger towns.

I venture to guess that in a very serious kind of SHTF event, the country folks will be quite vulnerable because the "bad guys" are no doubt well aware, thanks to these public forums, that many of those living in the country are well-stocked, and they'd have no hesitation to scour the countrysides looking to take whatever they can . . . and they'll likely be just as armed as you are.

And I think it's quite absurd and ludicrous for anyone to suggest that those living in cities . . . and that would be millions upon millions of people . . . can just "pick up and leave" . . . those millions have homes, families, jobs, responsibilities and obligations and there's no way they can just get up and go away from the city.
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WhooBoy did you hit the nail on the head, OP! Especially people coming in and imposing their dream desires...for Green Acres & Cupcake Corners.
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That's the part the flummoxes me the most. The urban refugee flees to have a place of their own and to be their own boss, then turns around and starts regulating neighbors that have been getting along just fine for ages. Hypocrites at best...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26820407


Oh, now this I agree with 100%! We've got dipshits moving from California to Oklahoma trying to turn Oklahoma into California ! The very state they were forced to leave because of its poor economy and over regulation!
 Quoting: DarthDickheadus:AmericanSith




Yeah, that's what happened here in Oregon, probably because we are so conveniently located for the Californicators. They will knowingly move next door to a working farm or ranch, and the next thing you know they are trying to get the farmer/rancher put out of business because of smells and flies during the summer. Most of them just seem to "know" what's best for the rest of us, and they waste no time before they invade our local and State governments in their crusade to regulate us into the next San Diego, San Francisco, or Los Angeles. Then they'll start complaining that the State has "lost its' beauty, its' wilderness, and its' friendliness", and move somewhere ELSE to start the process all over again, leaving the rest of us to pick up the pieces and attempt to survive and make a living in the ruins which they created.
 Quoting: Eggcellent


This is the crux of the matter, whether SHTF or not. Right..."Hope & Change"... Some people hope to change everything to their own personal ideal of Utopia. They read it in a magazine, watched it on television or YouTube, or day-dreamed during classes.

Panaramic vistas, waves of purple grains, abundance & prosperity. No sweat, no labour, no investment of self. "Augh my gahwd! You can't kill that precious little gambolling lammiekins. Noooooooooo, you can't plant crabgrass. There's a blood speck in the egg--so totally unsanitary & unhealthy. What is that stench, it smells like *gasp* animals."

Am I over exaggerating? Perhaps. Perhaps not.
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Truth is, there is no guarantee whatsoever that those living in rural areas will be any more safe and secure than those living in cities and larger towns.
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I am guessing that predation rates will be commensurate with population density.

Will I be immune to raiding parties or advance teams looking to set up on what i have built? I am not that ignorant.

What I will have is a lead in food production, and a community to help with defense. Those in the cities will have much fewer they can depend upon to help stay alive, and very little in ability to feed themselves.
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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yoda I understand!!!!!
On the other hand, I have different fingers.
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OP is describing life in ALASKA
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You are wrong.

This same thing applies in ARkansas, in Georgia and in many other places.

Outsiders are NOT welcomed.

You could live there for decades in some of these rural towns and NEVER be accepted. Every day of those decades would be made a living hell.

I lived in Arkansas.......thought I had friends only to find out that wtshtf.......they were planned to off me and take my goods. ............all the while smiling and being all friendly up front but their intentions down the road were just plain ugly.
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You guys are funny. Ima keep it simple...when the shtf FOR REAL I'm going to sleep and not waking up.

Y'all have fun struggling and suffering though.
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and your a hick
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Put your money where your mouth is. Come out here and try to survive. You'll be crying for your conditioned cocoon in days.
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If you can survive there anybody can.

Someone with an education would prosper while you boobs barely scratch out a subsistance.

You Retards are happy maintaining and supporting yourself at a minimum level..
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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as a widow at age 23 w/ two kids, orphaned to start with, etc and a dam good builder, auto repair, plumbing, elc, and so on and secretary, this grandma has been through raising my kids in the woods, making an income, baking bread, bagging deer etc, some of the other orphans in the foster care system went to the streets, I went to the woods on my own 50 years ago, there are places even I can not go now. Some are cut off by the gov the rest is cut off by the clam that is cut off by the state, I have no problem with the clan but the state cut off the clan. I am mesianic jew and my doctor is black. The clan does not have a provlem with me or blacks or jews. It is the governments reiking havoc on the world under these demises.
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the other thing is not the amimals in the woods it is the speed frieks not the pot growers. meth heads are every were in the woods making speed crazy with guns
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Born right INTO the Depression ... 1928 ! Walked a mile and back to buy a relative of the owner of a small farm next door a pack of Luckies !$.17 meaning the change from a quarter, even a penny could buy a pack of 20 firecrackers, all the way from China, if he chose to 'reward me'.

WHAT has this got to do with the thread ? You must realize that farmer, with milking cows, etc. HAD to work in a town store WITH his wife to make ends meet, even though they had NO CHILDREN ! That Depression IS coming back in SPADES, and this time almost NO ONE in the country has a GOOD sized garden, OR knows anything about planting, harvesting, PRESERVING any left overs. And tools, seeds, etc?

Everyone hunted small and large game for the table, and about 25% had chickens for eggs, baking, etc. NOW those large tracts of land owned by the wealthy city people is all built up. ONLY about 60 acres of old farm land is left, BECAUSE where I live now is where the farms USED to be, and we called them Hicks, if they weren't too big.

Even IF we escape CMES/flares that knock out all electrical lines, gadgets, cars, banks, food delivery; their IS no WWIII, Obammy Care, there will ALWAYS be the parasitic Lawyers, banisters and politicians who produce NOTHING and live OFF of YOUR work/efforts by fines, fees, licenses, through 17,000,000 laws, rules, regulations and statutes, 99% of you have never even heard of either. AND, the currency is/WILL become worthless very soon ! Police state already in position, illegal alien fraud in control and bypassing CONgress with E.O.s !

Have only one working farm and tractor in 12 miles; next city and owned by a distant relative who is worried about dying, and NOTHING that is actually happening !

Enough. Stay in the cities and fight amongst yourselves over food shortages; don't come to the country, as we will fight for our right to live, food and family !

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Like I said, overpopulation has consequences.
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This is a very sad thread.

That is because the majority are caught in the mindset of, "American Famrming," i.e., largely people of a European background.

Now.

Let me show you a better way.
That has been used for thousands of years to sustain life.

I'll just give you two things.

One:
Cuy.

Google, YT.

THE most elegant protein source.
They eat GRASS.
Centuries of raising them in homes in Peru, Ecuador.

Take little room. You will be amazed at just how little. Amazed. Eat grass cuttings. Provide high quality... and very delicious... protein source.

Expand your minds. That is what it will take.

Two:
Check out the Vietnamese gardens in East New Orleans, in the Vietnamese enclave.
Check out the various levels/types of gardening that goes on.

Hint: the American way of planting St. Augustine lawns... the ultra-limiting mindset, may well one day kill very many if tshtf... simply because people have been entrained to think in particularly limited and dependent ways.

No being a paid member means I can't post pictures in this thread.
Which really is to the detriment of the entire forum.

Google.
As well, if you can watch the PBS show:
"Vietnamese Cuisine in New Orleans," advise you do so.
This does touch on the gardening practices, from simple to more complex.

You owe it to yourselves to explore how peoples in areas have survived for hundreds to thousands of years.

If you are going to make it, you really are going to have to learn to think outside the box.

I spit out that American Way of so much in terms of basic survival.
I went to, and looked at how other cultures did it for so long...
And still do it.

Learn or Die. (dramatic some?... yea... but, just saying... in an attempt to make a point).
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Yeah but we're Americans!

And this is the greatest country on Earth.

Are you trying to tell me we aren't the greatest fucking thing that has ever existed and there are better ways to living?

I don't believe a damn word of it.

Sounds like muzzie or communist shit to me!

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Thanks for the chuckles.

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