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Maori, Sioux, Apaches

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Hmm. Ogre's have a frontal stun immunity and good stats ; but dark elves have more dexterity for procs and good agi. so it's up to you.
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Hahaha. Anyway, a real answer would be if you're just doing complete racially is a bit skewed because modern groups of races have probably been assimilated and 'moved' on so to say to different regions of the world so they only ever existed for one time. Currently Americans are the best and we're not a race, neither were the Romans, but they were the best for their era. Nor the huns, not to mention the scale is a bit fucked to measure people like the chinese and africans because they only fight with themselves but have been very bad ass.
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Obviously i dont think there is a 100% homgeneous race on earth they all have racial mix but you would consider the mongols very much a warrior race being very much a cultural and racial grouping .
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Maori, Sioux, Apaches
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And out of the Lakota Sioux came forth CRAZY HORSE
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And what the fuck? Italians, Greeks, Vikings, English are all caucasoid. I thought we was talking about top warrior race. Bunch of fucking retards. Australoid or Negroid would win in physical combat (melee weapons also)
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^ This.
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Vikings didnt refuse a fight took on allcomers
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Yup - it comes down to if you inherited the flight or fight gene. I am Danish on my dad's side (many family members are still in Denmark). We have been traced, genetically, as the most "authentic" line to the Vikings, whatever that means. My husband is British/German. When we go camping and hiking he has this attitude that he just needs to outrun me. I, on the other hand, stand my ground and fight. That's not always such a good thing.

I remember once in Philadelphia when we were first married. Some burglars were robbing a neighbor apartment and I came home and caught them at it. Rather than running, I chased them out - two black men and here I was, all blonde 5'9" 135 lbs as a 22 year old. I'm surprised I didn't get shot. This has happened on numerous occasions...I can't help myself but that I stay and fight rather than flee. People always say a smart person backs away from me when I get my hackles up because I'm coming after you full force. Interestingly, though, I'm also considered overly laid-back. My dad was the same - people didn't mess with him although he was also one of the most respected and consistent people in the area.
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OK a point of interest for you having Danish genes ever heard of the word 'beserk'? "Hes gone beserk",it comes from the elite mad warrior class amongst the vikings called beserkers who psyched themselves into 'battle frenzy'almost trance like state of madness it was like DOOONT STAND IN THE WAY OF A BESERKER EVEN IF YOU KNOW THEM because they were ready to die or kill.
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"Berserkers (or berserks) were Norse warriors who are reported in the Old Norse literature to have fought in a nearly uncontrollable, trance-like fury, a characteristic which later gave rise to the English word berserk. Berserkers are attested to in numerous Old Norse sources. Most historians believe that berserkers worked themselves into a rage before battle, but some think that they might have consumed drugged foods.

The Úlfhéðnar (singular Úlfhéðinn), mentioned in the Vatnsdœla saga, Haraldskvæði and the Völsunga saga, were said to wear the pelt of a wolf when they entered battle.[1] Úlfhéðnar are sometimes described as Odin's special warriors, with the pelt from a wolf and a spear as distinguishing features.[2]"
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Berserk - lol - interesting!
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Best warrior race had to be the Italians. From the Spartans to the Romans they had war down to an art form.
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Italians? No way. Spartans were Greek first of all. You can make an argument for the Romans but the Romans aren't "Italian". After the Romans fell Italy was flooded by Northern Germanic tribes. Greeks also attacked from the East and Muslims from the South. The modern Italians are a mix of all these. They aren't Roman anymore.

Just look at the last century to see the "Italian" Warrior. WW2 is the best example. The mighty Italian army invades the great nation of Ethiopia and superpower Albania. Then the might race of Italian warriors decides they want to invade Egypt and promptly get routed by the Brits. So Germany had to help them the rest of the war. Then once the tide turn the Italians turned as well and switched sides.

So Italians are far from mighty warriors.

I don't think it's possible to pick a single race. There are so many factors that go into play. The nation the race belonged to and the technology of that nation for one. Pound for pound though I think the German/Scandinavian warriors of ancient time were probably the best. Even the Romans were scared of them. Ceaser himself used German cavalry as his personal guard because they were so ferocious. They were much bigger then the Romans at the time. The problem is the Romans were much more organized and had better technology. So again it depends on what factors you take into account.
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“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
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samurai;

some of them look like some real hard asses if you know what I mean.
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The Israeli's

No I'm serious here, they kicked the philistines ass so many times.

The bad doods from 300.

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Best warrior race had to be the Italians. From the Spartans to the Romans they had war down to an art form.
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Italians? No way. Spartans were Greek first of all. You can make an argument for the Romans but the Romans aren't "Italian". After the Romans fell Italy was flooded by Northern Germanic tribes. Greeks also attacked from the East and Muslims from the South. The modern Italians are a mix of all these. They aren't Roman anymore.

Just look at the last century to see the "Italian" Warrior. WW2 is the best example. The mighty Italian army invades the great nation of Ethiopia and superpower Albania. Then the might race of Italian warriors decides they want to invade Egypt and promptly get routed by the Brits. So Germany had to help them the rest of the war. Then once the tide turn the Italians turned as well and switched sides.

So Italians are far from mighty warriors.

I don't think it's possible to pick a single race. There are so many factors that go into play. The nation the race belonged to and the technology of that nation for one. Pound for pound though I think the German/Scandinavian warriors of ancient time were probably the best. Even the Romans were scared of them. Ceaser himself used German cavalry as his personal guard because they were so ferocious. They were much bigger then the Romans at the time. The problem is the Romans were much more organized and had better technology. So again it depends on what factors you take into account.
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and out of the Germanic races the Saxons were the top dogs combine them with the british celt(WHEN YOU CONSIDER CEASAR TOOK 2 YEARS TO OWN GAUL, THEN IT TOOK 22 YEARS FOR ROME TO SUBDUE THE BRITISH TRIBES BUT NEVER COMPLETELY SUBDUE THE WHOLE UK) then mix in a little viking and some norman and you get one badass nation BRITAIN.
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The Israeli's

No I'm serious here, they kicked the philistines ass so many times.

The bad doods from 300.


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The hebrews got as many beatings as they did administer a beating
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Top three,:
Historic: eagle and jaguar knights fom the aztecs
Moden:Kaibiles from guatemala (hint: mexican zetas predecessors)
Fictional: Saiyans(specially goku and gohan)
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The Israeli's

No I'm serious here, they kicked the philistines ass so many times.

The bad doods from 300.


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Spartans at Thermopoleay
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VIKINGS
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Top three,:
Historic: eagle and jaguar knights fom the aztecs
Moden:Kaibiles from guatemala (hint: mexican zetas predecessors)
Fictional: Saiyans(specially goku and gohan)
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Btw the aztecs warriors were bad,tall and lean MTF
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Top three,:
Historic: eagle and jaguar knights fom the aztecs
Moden:Kaibiles from guatemala (hint: mexican zetas predecessors)
Fictional: Saiyans(specially goku and gohan)
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interesting !
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Top three,:
Historic: eagle and jaguar knights fom the aztecs
Moden:Kaibiles from guatemala (hint: mexican zetas predecessors)
Fictional: Saiyans(specially goku and gohan)
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Btw the aztecs warriors were bad,tall and lean MTF
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i did read somewhere that they had fought some tough fights with the south west american tribes
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Top three,:
Historic: eagle and jaguar knights fom the aztecs
Moden:Kaibiles from guatemala (hint: mexican zetas predecessors)
Fictional: Saiyans(specially goku and gohan)
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Btw the aztecs warriors were bad,tall and lean MTF
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Seriously though id take a mad bad viking beserker over an aztec
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every race of people on earth was founded on the warrior ethos. it was necessary to survive. some are more, like the japanese, some less, like the african bushmen.

you would think the chinese have a strong warrior ethic, with their fascination with martial arts. actually they were made weak due to the iron-fisted, condescending rule of their emperors. when the british invaded China in the 1800's they concluded that the chinese were a weak people. physically they are not warriors, being scrawny asians.

the koreans are actually more stout warriors than the chinese in ethic and physique. they are known for a hot temper and stinky garlic breath. leaving aside the issue of north/south koreans, historically they have been superior to the chinese and have resisted chinese invasion many times despite being vastly outnumbered.

the japanese have a religious tradition unlike any other, in that the gods created the islands of japan when drops of blood fell from the tip of a sword. it goes without saying that the warroir ethic is infused into their culture top to bottom and inside and out. their martial arts are probably the best in the world. their katanas are undoubtedly the best swords in the world, and the only swords that modern manufacturing techniques cannot surpass the traditional methods. there are japanese swords made in the 1400's that simply cannot be reproduced no matter how hard you try. the mongol hordes conquered lands everywhere from briton to arabia to china, but when they landed on japan, they got as far as the nearest fortress wall where they stopped to contemplate what to do. they thought they were out of bowshot range, longer than their own anyway which had the longest range at 500 meters. one of their generals got plugged with an arrow and they decided to go home. however physically the japanese are short, have lower body strength instead of upper body strength, and however magnificent their martial arts are, mental incompetence is a plague among them. they are flawed.

polynesians are all warriors, but tribal spear-chucking warrior types similar to the africans. polynesians, like africans, can get pretty big and strong, but are laid back mama's boys, like the africans. neither are naturally warriors, it's more for show. africans and polynesians simply do not stack up against asians and europeans.

arabs had become warriors after centuries of tribal land disputes and raids. similarly, the rest of the semites had become warriors after centuries of invading each other's cities. that would include hebrews, babylonians, and assyrians. the assyrians were the most cruel conquerors the world has ever known.

the egyptians fought many wars of conquest, but otherwise were a very peaceful people. when not at war their warriors were farmers and laborers.

the meso-americans such as aztecs, toltecs, mayans, olmecs, etc. were warriors who fought each other to get vast numbers of prisoners for sacrifice to the gods to ensure crops and appease their bloodthirsty gods. they fought with clubs, rocks, stone knives and wood swords embedded with flint or obsidan. their martial arts were not very well developed. physically they were short little brutes. they are different in that they had the warrior philosophy but not the warrior ethic. they weren't warriors. they just fought a lot. it's as if they were warriors who weren't warriors. in some ways they were an admirable people. in other ways they were ghastly.

the indians, in india, had four castes. one of those was the warrior caste, and they were certainly warriors. most people think of indians as soft and peaceful, but their warrior caste at times certainly were warriors. they had martial arts, but weren't very effective. the first systematic approach to martial arts came from the indians.

the greeks were warriors, but glorified it in a different way. the warrior ethic was superceded by their Olympic gods who were not warriors. they fought each other quite often, and were hired as mercenaries by other countries just as often. they invented the phalanx formation of fighting. they were greeks first, thinkers, philosophers, athletes, politicians. they were warriors second.

the spartans were the only ones in the greek world who were warriors first. their society was built around a military rigidity, being seperated from family while young for training that lasted until 30 years of age, eating meals communally, ruling over a class of slaves (helots) that were practically prisoners of war, were given to very few words but always let actions speak for themselves, and unlike anyone else in the world, their cities had no walls for protection from seige, which was unheard of. they said their citizens were the walls to defend the cities. however, they had no more success at fighitng than anybody else, and moved notoriously slow and cautiously on the battlefield. they were born and bred tough warriors but it really didn't make a difference in the end.

the romans (italians) weren't so much warriors as military men. they weren't so tough as they were cruel. they weren't so intelligent as they were tactical. they weren't so much invaders as they were administrators. they weren't so much pagan religious zealots as they were fond of law and order. that's what can be said about the romans, they weren't warriors, they were military.

while the romans conquered most of gaul and started attacking the teutonics, they sent ships to briton and met the first foe that actually scared them. the britons were so fierce the romans got back in their boats and left. they returned with legions of more men and conquered briton, but when they next landed on the shores of Ireland, they quickly decided to leave the Land of Ire to its inhabitants. while the britons and irish and scottish were primitive and unskilled warriors, they certainly were warriors of the stone-age sort and the most fierce.

the celts were not as fierce as the britons, but were more vengeful.

the vikings, though unskilled, were quite capable of combat and probably the toughest. their berserkers, whom they paid a life of wine, women and song for services as their shock troops, were so insanely berzerk they would bite their shields. they usually lasted only a year or two. the vikings were not so much warriors as they were invaders for plunder and profit. that was their lifestyle. when they invaded ireland they set up trading posts.

the germans (teutons) were a race of tribal warriors. a warlord would be surrounded by dozens of warriors at all times, and if they weren't fighting they were getting drunk. they were the ruling class, the farmers were a lower class. the warriors would celebrate holidays by jumping over fire, jumping over upraised swords, carrying their leader around on a sheild, etc. they were physically very strong with perhaps the most upper body strength of all europeans, but were adapted to the cold and could not stand hot weather. their bodies were built only for sudden exertion and had no stamina, like a gorilla. they often fought each other and often were hired by the Romans as mercenaries and bodyguards.



which is the "top warrior race"? it depends on what your idea of a warrior is. mentally, physically, culturally, they all have their strengths and weakneses.
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Wait a minute.. Why has none made chuck norris joke yet?
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I don't want to hear Zulu shit...

Look at the course of history. Who has taken over the most land, held it the longest, and developed the most socially and industrially.

Don't give me that hut dweller bullshit.
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The Romans and their descendants, that is, Europeans, ie. White People.
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vikings, spartans, knights templar, nataniel greens boys of the american revolution..... all white
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Turks are pretty good warriors as well. Funny noone mentioned yet
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German warriors taken from Tacitus's 'Germania'
Warlike Ardour of the People. When they go into battle, it is a disgrace for the chief to be surpassed in valour, a disgrace for his followers not to equal the valour of the chief. And it is an infamy and a reproach for life to have survived the chief, and returned from the field. To defend, to protect him, to ascribe one's own brave deeds to his renown, is the height of loyalty. The chief fights for victory; his vassals fight for their chief. If their native state sinks into the sloth of prolonged peace and repose, many of its noble youths voluntarily seek those tribes which are waging some war, both because inaction is odious to their race, and because they win renown more readily in the midst of peril, and cannot maintain a numerous following except by violence and war. Indeed, men look to the liberality of their chief for their war-horse and their bloodstained and victorious lance. Feasts and entertainments, which, though inelegant, are plentifully furnished, are their only pay. The means of this bounty come from war and rapine. Nor are they as easily persuaded to plough the earth and to wait for the year's produce as to challenge an enemy and earn the honour of wounds. Nay, they actually think it tame and stupid to acquire by the sweat of toil what they might win by their blood.
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Turks are pretty good warriors as well. Funny noone mentioned yet
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Celestial turks? Gokturks? Yes from the same lands as the Mongols huns tartars a very tough playground
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I don't want to hear Zulu shit...

Look at the course of history. Who has taken over the most land, held it the longest, and developed the most socially and industrially.

Don't give me that hut dweller bullshit.
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who has taken over the most land? the mongols.

who held it longest? the chinese.

who developed the most socially and industrially? the americans.

doesn't tell us much.
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Turks are pretty good warriors as well. Funny noone mentioned yet
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the turks are like the arabs of asia minor. they are competent warriors but except the ottoman empire they didn't amount to much. there always had been more turkish bandits than turkish warriors.
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Yeah from celestial times well into the age of enlightement. Ottomans dominated all eastern europe, middle east, black sea and north africa. I think the height of power was the time of Suleyman the Magnificent, mid 16th century.
After all Ottomans were the first ones to bring guns and cannons to the battlefield.
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Americans.

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The Russians! why? because Obama is a Russian spy,thats why! Gingus Khan, I like the way when he won a battle he would keep prisoners, dress them in his warriors uniforms, then have them lead the way in battle so it would'nt be his men getting killed. Vikings, owned the world in the 7th, 8th & 9th centurys. English, smart, determined fighters, look at us today, we speak it, they controlled the world. Germany, they were very close to taking over the world, as much as I hate, hated them they had there shit working for them. USA, has there ever been a more prepared country, military in the world as we know it!
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I would put them all together and have William Wallace (braveheart) leading them!
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