I hope the Mexicans and other indigenous people of the American continent take back their land.

Well, that is the term. Obviously YOU are not from Mexico. LMAO!

Either you are the OP or two people with an IQ below 50 decided to post here. The US became a country long before Mexico, stupid. Spain to this day practices defacto segregation. So back in the day the Spanish colonies were much more heavily segregated than were the English colonies. While the Pilgrims were eating Thanksgiving dinner with the Indians, the Spanish were clearing the land of natives. Get it? I doubt it, retard.

Go to INEGI census of Mexico--- Actually the racial identification is not registered as such,,, not like in younger post colonial societies such as yourselves. The identity of Mexico is explained as the founding of a new race -- Mexicans -- the mixing of two great cultures and races...

No one in Mexico refers to themselves as mestizo. That is a racist term that the Spanish used to refer to Mexican born people. It was meant to debase Mexicans and maintain Spainish superiority. The truth of the matter is that the people they referred to as mestizo are nothing more than Latin-American born people of Spanish descent.

If Americans are not mixed then neither are Mexicans. If Mexicans are mixed then so are Americans. This is the only way it can be. The land that became the US of A had just as many Indians as the are that became Mexico. So how was it that the English didn't mix but the heavily racist Spanish did? How? They didn't. Idiot.

YOu seem to be suffering from an inferiority complex that needs to embellish a past that doesnt exist. No, the Spanish couldt keep their pricks in their pants, and they were making babies with princesses when your ancestors were groveling in the sewers of London...

You have to realize that indigenous were agriculture and provided the food base of the colonial economy, among other things. They werent hunter and gatherers. The first 100 years they lost 70% to small pox,,, but they recovered... more or less...

I already explained it, oh exalted one. The assimilation policy of England and US (to be called Apartheid in South Africa) was to separate the races. In the US you all literally rounded them up and put them into concentration camps. New Span had no such policy,,, since there wasnt much precedent for what Spain was doing. Yes the indigenous were very densely populated in the south,,, still are.... more so than in the north.

The truth of the matter is that the native population was wiped out in both North and South America. The reason for the dark skin of Latin Americans is because the majority of the Conquistadors were Spaniards or Arab descent. That Arab ancestry is what gives Latin-Americans their olive complection.

Since the majority of natives were wiped out, any remaining that bred with Whites would have been marginal, at best. In other words there were not enough to affect the racial makeup.

Idiot. Spain was busy killing off the Indians. THAT WAS THEIR POLICY. While the US was busy rounding them up, they had already been wiped off the map in Latin-America. Remember it was the Pilgrims that ate dinner with the Indians. The Spanish were busy killing the Indians.

You just keep repeating your distortions, a fallacy that just isnt true. You know nothing of Mexico, so stop pretending,,,.

The Spanish killed and subdued the "Indians" and they also had plenty of food and drink with them,,, Did you know Cortez had 70,000 indigenous allies when he marched into Tenochtitlan (Mexico City), a city of 500,000 the largest in the world at the time? And that the Aztec Empire included 10 million peoples?

How many Pilgrims were there?

We will conquer Mexico, Central and South America... and you stupid shits will learn the King's English or be hung out to dry.

"I'm a tourist"

Fuck off back to Scotland then you twat !!

Jesus what a wanker

Famous Saying:

"I'm sweating like a scotsman at a charity event!"

what a dickwad (bet hes ginger too)

The OP is not Mexican or South American. So go conquer his country, proxy tard asshole...

(It isnt to difficult to tell the Americans in the crowd)

AC751 is one unashamedly ignorant baboon.... lol

If the mexi(cant)s start anything overt we will beat them worse than our ancestors did. Next time we will push them all the way to Chile and Peru and re-make Mexico into South Texas.

If you are here and have a job with decent income don't rock the boat. Be thankful for what you have and do everything you can to preserve this nation - instead of turning into a shit-hole like you left in mexico.

Plain and simple bullshit. You know nothing of history or anything else for that matter. Over 20 million natives died in the years following the European invasions. Get a clue.

You mean steal?

"The U.S. Senate approved the treaty, rejecting amendments from Jefferson Davis to also annex most of northeastern Mexico and by Daniel Webster not to take even Alta California and Santa Fe de Nuevo Mexico.[1] The United States also paid $15,000,000 ($298,310,309 in 2005 dollars) for the land, and agreed to assume $3.25 million in debts to US citizens.[2] While technically the territory was purchased by the United States, the $15 million payment was simply credited against Mexico's enormous debt towards the U.S. at that time."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Really dont teach anything in history other than how great the nazis are do they?

Not only was that land purchased after the loss of many lives, but the indians have been on welfare every since and now own the first casinos outside of vegas, and have been milking the sheep for years.


I wonder, after you "take it back" do you all just set around drinking deodorant when there is no yobs, no more sheep to milk?

Whats your big plan anyway? Even your savior told you " you did not build that" and a quick look at other countries show you perhaps never will build anything.


The entire world lost for lack of an education, in this case, perhaps to stupid to learn to begin with.

Actually you are very arrogant and ignorant. I never said anything about the number of natives dying, I talked about the Spanish conquest of Tenochtitlan.

You are so stupid you cant even carry a conversation,,, and your education is limited to one liner platitudes about the Pilgrims having "Thanksgiving" with the Indians -- one stupid event popularized as a commercialized holiday,,, and no doubt that is why you know about it. God forbid if you ever opened up a book and actually gained in-depth knowledge,, but then if you did you would have to spend a couple or more years of faithful and humble service to learning and knowledge,,, and zip time to loud mouth no nothing rants.

ANCIENT MIGRATION STORIES OF MEXICO The Maya were not the first to occupy the Yucatan and Gulf regions of Mexico. It is evident from Maya traditions and the artifacts recovered from many ancient Mexican sites that a different race lived in Mayaland before the Mayan speakers settled this region. The Pacific area was early colonized by Olmec people in middle preclassic times.(Morley, Brainerd & Sharer 1984) The Olmec civilization was developed along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico in the states of Tabasco and Veracruz. (Pouligny 1988:34) The linguistic evidence suggest that around 1200 B.C., a new linguistic group arrived in the Gulf region of Mexico.

M. Swadesh (1953) has presented evidence that at least 3200 years ago a non- Maya speaking group wedged itself between the Huastecs and the Maya. Soustelle (1984: 29) tells us that "We cannot help but think that the people that shattered the unity of the Proto-Mayas was also the people that brought Olmec civilization to the region".

Traditions mentioned by Sahagun, record the settlement of Mexico by a different race from the present Amerindian population. Sahagun says that these "Eastern settlers of Mexico landed at Panotha, on the Mexican Gulf. Here they remained for a time until they moved south in search of mountains. Other migration to Mexico stories are mention in the Popol Vuh, the ancient religious and historical text compiled by the Quiche Mayan Indians.

This new race may have come from Africa. Sertima (1976), and Weiner (1922) believe that some of these foriegn people may have come from West Africa. Dr. Wiercinski (1972) claims that the some of the Olmecs were of African origin. He supports this claim with skeletal evidence from several Olmec sites where he found skeletons that were analogous to the West African type black. Wiercinski discovered that 13.5 percent of the skeletons from Tlatilco and 4.5 percent of the skeletons from Cerro de las Mesas were Africoid (Wiercinski & Jairazbhoy 1975) (For information on African Olmecs see Clyde A Winters Homepage.

Perhaps your numbers are somewhere "in the ball park". Considering in Mexico alone over 7-15 million died of small pox and assorted pogroms and massacres, starvation, suicide, forced labor, and whatever else the Europeans could dream up to save their souls. All that in the first 100 years. But THEY RECOVERED their population stability and increased in numbers after that -- even though during the next 300 years many more hundreds of thousands if not millions died unnatural deaths at the hands of the Spanish.

Forget about the 70 million meztizo mixed majority of today,,, ranging from 10-90% indigenous blood,,, and look at the 30 million strong purely indigenous populations with their own traditional territory, government, language, dress, economy and culture -- that which really and truly defines nations and a Native American person..

So monkey brains, your conclusion that they were completely exterminated and therefore did not contribute to Mexican brownness, their black hair and short stature --- is WRONG, plain and simple.

Get over your arrogance and learn something for a friggin change...

Researchers have found that some Mayan people have genetic markers, which point to African ancestors. For example:

Underhill, et al noted that:" One Mayan male, previously [has been] shown to have an African Y chromosome." - Underhill, et al (1996) " A pre-Columbian Y chromosome specific transition with its implications for human evolutionary history", Proc. Natl. Acad. Science USA, Vol.93, pp.196-200.

Paul Manansala has observed that:

Mestizos in Mayan or nearby areas show significant African admixture.

The East Coast had extensive admixture according to a recent study by

Lisker et al. ("Genetic Structure in Mesoamerica," _Human Biology_,

June 1996). The following percentages of African ancestry were found

among East coast populations:



Paraiso - 21.7%

El Carmen - 28.4%

Veracruz - 25.6%

Saladero - 30.2%

Tamiahua - 40.5%



Among Indian groups, the Chontal have 5% and the Cora .8% African

admixture. According to Crawford et al., the mestizo population

of Saltillo has 15.8% African ancestry, while Tlaxcala has 8% and

Cuanalan 18.1%.

The Olmecs built their civilization in the region of the current states of Veracruz and Tabasco. Now here again are the percentages of African ancestry according to Lisker et al.:

Paraiso - 21.7%

El Carmen - 28.4%

Veracruz - 25.6%

Saladero - 30.2%

Tamiahua - 40.5%

Paraiso is in Tabasco and Veracruz is, of course, in the state of Veracruz. Tamiahua is in northern Veracruz. [These areas were the first places in Mexico settled by the Olmecs.] I'm not sure about Saladero and El Carmen.



The mixed Mayans were often called Zambos. They share many features with the young Mayan pictured above.

Mexicans never owned U.S. territory (they love to say it was theirs) the American Indians owned it.
Mexicans are ILLEGAL ALIENS!

Mexicans are fuking liars!

This is a list of California tribes alone:

[link to ceres.ca.gov]

OP is saying we all need DNA to determine where we all belong. That would be real difficult considering we are all mixed.

Just as many Americans died in the civil war and other wars to protect you too and by the way the Indians brutally murdered many, many peaceful Europeans as well do your homework. Also for the record mummies where found all over north America way, way older then the Indians came here and those mummies were caucasian, red hair. Alot of history coming to light and at one time all the land on the continent was together it was only separated due to earth's changes, so you make no sense nothing is written in stone.

Mexicans have a bad reputation. They should clean up their act.
The U.S. was better without them.

Aren't you a white European yourself?
From England? You don't even know what you are talking about regarding the United States SO SHUT UP!

I guess the immigration always seems a bad thing, doesn't matter what place or people.
Because the first question which comes to mind is:
Why you don't try to fix the land where you coming from.
instead just coming here use my resources?

Well, this is not always possible, sometimes it is due a climatic problems,
political, war, populational excess, etc.
Anyway, imigration is natural, dinamic, and a behavior which does part of the earth organism,
in this evolutive level of civilization, we dont need add violence to this process anymore .

We have to remember which we are brothers, we share a part of the same spirit with all living beings,
and we belong the same race, the human race, we are all much more alike than we realize, every ethnicity.
We all suffer equally, so i guess a little more empathy and tolerance are the key to peace.
We dont have to care about returning land to anyone, is most important, and the focus should be,
try live more cooperatively as possible, seeking harmony with our brothers and with nature.

Yes I've heard of these EXTREMELY rare finds. I havent researched it, but I have my doubts as to its authenticity. In any case their discovery doesnt make your coincidental so called whiteness or inconsequential US citizenship lay claim to ancestral heritage in these parts. You're just making colonial claims on behalf of foreign interests by reshaping the argument. Your blood is European not American, though you can forge a new identify by renouncing all colonial attitudes including white racial purity and or mother country attachments -- when you do that and teach your kids appropriately you can begin to call yourself American.

The US never existed without them. So you cannot pretend to nostalgically reminisce about a past without them. For example, the majority of Texas patriots were of Latin descent...