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Don't worry, I'm sure the Mossad are tracking him very closely and when the Lebanon offensive starts he will be among the first to say hello to the pretty little drone flying above his head !

Remember what happened to Hamas' leaders in the first hours and days of the conflict in Gaza !

:mossad:
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Don't worry, I'm sure the Mossad are tracking him very closely and when the Lebanon offensive starts he will be among the first to say hello to the pretty little drone flying above his head !

Remember what happened to Hamas' leaders in the first hours and days of the conflict in Gaza !

:mossad:
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Don't worry, I'm sure the Mossad are tracking him very closely and when the Lebanon offensive starts he will be among the first to say hello to the pretty little drone flying above his head !

Remember what happened to Hamas' leaders in the first hours and days of the conflict in Gaza !

mossad
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idf7 That dirty old man will drag Lebanon down to the grave.
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Why not just install a few Russian S-400 systems on the border, if Turkey can do it why not Lebanon? Problem solved for attack aircraft/missiles/drones.
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Why not just install a few Russian S-400 systems on the border, if Turkey can do it why not Lebanon? Problem solved for attack aircraft/missiles/drones.
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Don't worry, I'm sure the Mossad are tracking him very closely and when the Lebanon offensive starts he will be among the first to say hello to the pretty little drone flying above his head !

Remember what happened to Hamas' leaders in the first hours and days of the conflict in Gaza !

:mossad:
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I doubt this honestly. Hezbollah and Hamas are two totally different animals. Hezbollah is more disciplined, better armed, larger in numbers and most likely prepared to put up a very tough fight. I would not view these two groups as being one and the same, in regards to capabilities and tactics.
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After losing out to Hamas, why would Israel go after Lebanon?
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Rockets will fly into Israel & damage some buildings. Israel will invade Lebanon & kill every Shite south of the Litani River, cleanse it of all Arabs & annex it. The Goy vermin are so stupid.
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why is this pinned, much less discussed. israel is not going to





















"ATTACK" lebanon. so my dear ----------------- this is a NON-STORY. please people, use your time more wisely.



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After losing out to Hamas, why would Israel go after Lebanon?
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Israel didn't lose to Hamas. Don't be stupid.
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LOL, the Nasrallah is still hiding for 6 years in his bunker. He will be lucky to survive the Sunni Spring in Syria (most of Hebollah is committed in Syria in desperate attempt to save Bashar Assad). No wonder because "Nasrallah" in Russian means "she took a shit". It's true, hahaah.

1) Hezbollah may have more rockets than Hamas, but most of them still need LAUNCHERS --- in 2006, Israel destroyed Hezbollah's longer-range rockets in the fist hour of the war.

2) By 2006, IDF was simply too preoccupied with TERROR policing activities during 2nd Intifada --- and as such woefully unprepared for bigger war. The invaluiable, old-school training for infantry and mechanized units were slashed dramatically for years for budgetary reasons. The Merkava tank project was all but halted. The Trophy system delayed, also for budgetary reasons. Most people in Israel cared more about the Peace Process and dealing with Palestinian terror than Lebanon. Remember, in 2000 Ehud Barak pulled Israel out of South Lebanon completely, so it was considered to be a non-issue anymore.

2) What's worse, in 2006, Israel was led by a corrupt Leftie loser like Ehud Olmert as PM and by Amir Peretz as Defense Minister, despite not having military background (Peretz was a union boss, lol!). Olmert clearly did NOT want to have a war, was dragged into only because of 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers, had moronic idea of tactics, was too slow making decisions, then even when he listened to his commanders and made right decisions, he then pussied out and changed his mind like 10 different times.... sending (older) Mekava tanks into suicide missions, into volleys of Russian Kornet & Metis-M fire in wooded, mountainous area where Merkava wasn't even suited for..... Finally when Olmert & Peretz listerned to their more progessional military advisers in the last day of the war, Olmert's incompetent Foreign Minister, Tsipi Livni under pressure from George W. Bush and Europeans agreed to a cease-fire ---- thus defeating the entire point of the 11th hour Israeli gains!

3) So despite the pretty much WORST-case scenario of the 2nd Lebanon War... Only about 50 civilians died in Israel, 40 of them Israeli ARABS in the North. Also those ill-planned, suicidal Olmert tank missions resulted in about 100 IDF casualties ---- as compared to 800 Hezbollah fighters. That's a robust 8:1 kill ratio in favour of the admittedly ill-prepared IDF fighting on Hezbollah's home turf, mind you. Initially Hezbollah was so embarassed they claimed only 250 deaths, then the figure rose to 500 all while trying to hide their elite fighters deaths in bunkers, tunnels, treating them in Syrian hospitals under fake names ----> but now years later we knonw the full extent of their losses. Plus another 600-700 Lebanese civilians died. BILLIONS of dollars in damage was caused to Lebanese territory.

Lebanese Prime Minister at the time was CRYING on TV. Hell, even the normally-trash talking Hassan Nasrallah admitted after the war that had he known how harash IDF response would be, he would have NOT ordered the kidnapping of the 2 IDF soldiers that kick-started the war. So if that's a "defeat" for Israel, then I don't know what people expect from the tiny Israel. Yes, 6-Day War in 1967 and the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot in 1982 were far more convincing victories for IDF --- but they are considered to be ALL-TIME Historic great military victories, so it's not exactly fair to expect that from IDF or any other military that kind of stunning success every time.

4) While far from ideal, still the 2nd lebanese war provided unprecedended 6+ years of quiet for North Israel. Before that war, Hezbollah terrorists used to attack every 2-3 months.

5) Now Nasrallah boasts about increased rocket stockpile. But he's forgetting that Israel has also made HUGE advancements & overhauls of their military doctrine. Even 2009 castlead showed impressive efficienty --- 700 Hamas fighters killed vs. only 10 IDF, including 3 soldiers by friendly fire errant tank shell, and another one killed in Israel by mortar. So that's 70:1 kill ratio, 100:1 ratio if you take out IDF friendly fire accident. Unprecedented by 21st century urban-warfare standards! And IDF is far more capable in 2012-2013 than it was in 2008/2009.

6) More imporantly, now Israel is going to be led by Netanyahu, Lieberman and new Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon. No more Left-Wingers who try to play nice with terrorists and beg UN's permission for everything. So if Nasrallah targets civilians in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem, expect a few more unpleasant surprises might visit upon them and their bosses in Teheran (newer Stuxnet, EMP, low-yield Neutron bombs, who's to say...)

7) As mentioned, almost all casualties for IDF came from poorly-planned Merkava raids. Those older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 tanks were very strong, were managed to take a lot of hits and out of 50 hit, all but 5 eventually returned to service after repair. However, against veritable volleys advanced Russian ATGM Kornet & Metis-M, no tank in the world can withstand for long. Now, after the war, Israel has re-instated the Merkava and Namer APC program, and the two dynamic tank-protections systems, Rafael's Trophy and IMI's Iron Fist ----> both have shown to be able to defeat even most advanced Kornet and RPG-29. And both instantly pinpoint the location of the Hezbollah teams that fired the incoming ATGM --- that's a game changer for Hezbollah, LOL.

8) Another area where IDF is light years ahead of 2006 is strategy. In 2006, they thought they could just do some bombing and be done with it -- ala US against Saddam in 1991. IDF was so unprepared, they didn't even manage to properly supply soldiers with food & water when they did enter Lebanon at the very end of the war right before Cease-fire took hold. In 2012-2013, that's been rectified, the next Lebanon war will likely include lightening quick, devastatingly powerful incursions under advanced artillery cover and drones, lots of drones. You saw just how surgical IDF has gotten last week against Gaza terror infrastructure.

9) Barak-8, Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Patriot-Advanced-Capability (PAC), Arrow 2 and eventually Arrow-3 systems. While Israel doesn't have unlimited oil-wealth of other M.E nations, and as such has to progress slowly on developing SAM defense solutions.... suffice it to say, IDF has some newer toys. While only 1/3 of full arial coverage has been achieved in such very short period of time, Iron Dome has already showed unexpected ability to shoot down large, expensive rockets like Fajr-5 and lighter version of Zelzal. That's a game-changer for Hezbolah because most of its arnenal is smaller, shorter-range Grads.

10) In short, all this Islamic bluster is just pathetic attempt to cover up for Iran's embarassment at their main off-site Weapons facility bombed in Sudan a month ago, and they their darling jihadi groups in Gaza Hamas & Islamic Jihad, PRC in whose missile capabilities Iran invested years & billions of dollars.... go up in flames in just a few days, along with their top military commanders like Ja'abari, Raed al-Atar, et al. Not nearly as easy to replace, trust & replenish as it sounds -- especially now that Obama & Clinton have made pledge to Israel to maintain tighter supervision & control of Gaza tunnels.


If I am Nasrallah, I better worry about Assad losing 500+ tanks, IFV, APC and now even SAM & air bases. And about Lebanese economy.

His desperation is palpable.
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it would be wise for Israel, to kiss some arab asses and start loving it. OTHERWISE, i am afraid there will be no Israel soon. They gone too far this time....

i would not shed a tear for the state Israel, but it would be a pity for all those to be victims, ordinary arab or jewish, people..
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Kael are you a muslim sympathizer ?
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His desperation is palpable.
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Hezbollah knows that if they lose Syria, they are cut off from Iran and without access to their main supplier of weapons...they are basically toast !
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If Iran and Hisbullah didn't get help and technical know how from Soviet Union now morphed into Russia, they would be no where! and nothing!

Just thank events 80+ years ago with the Election of that Communist Infiltrator FDR, for all events that are happening today with Iran, Hamas and Hizbullah and Syria. Had FDR not won, many things would be different today, as Soviet Union would be Bankrupted and perhaps morphed into a Bankrupted Russia and none of these Events would have happened today.\

It all started with the Yalta Conference with the Land Lease Deal, that Gave Soviet Union free money, when it was suppose to go bankrupted in the 1940's, with WW 2.

FDR was a Communist Infiltrator, that probably got started off with Woodrow Wilson who created the scam ass Federal Reserve.

Iran would be absolutely NOTHING without Russia's help and technical Help. They be speaking and feeding the Camels as a way of educationing themselves..

What a bad mistake with FDR, who came into Office back in 1930's that was the break in of the Communist into the American Government.

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Why not just install a few Russian S-400 systems on the border, if Turkey can do it why not Lebanon? Problem solved for attack aircraft/missiles/drones.
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Because Russia is not insane maybe?

And what does Turkey have to do with Israel? The Three-Stooges that run Turkey -- Erdogan, Gul & Davotoglu -- are throwing hissyfits every time the name "Israel" is even mentioned. LOL.

Russia and Israel have gotten a lot closer in recent years, and have lucrative deals brewiing with UAV, Skolkovo Project, not to mention the Cyprus-Greece oil & gas projects. (If you're not familiar, Russian Mafia & Oligarch regime currently in power have their tax-haven in Greek Cyprus).

And if by some that S-400 system ended up Lebanon, it would be TAKEN OUT by Israel within the first 10 minutes of being deployed.

See: 1982 Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot for more.
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:idf7: That dirty old man will drag Lebanon down to the grave.
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Why not just install a few Russian S-400 systems on the border, if Turkey can do it why not Lebanon? Problem solved for attack aircraft/missiles/drones.
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Because Russia is not insane maybe?

And what does Turkey have to do with Israel? The Three-Stooges that run Turkey -- Erdogan, Gul & Davotoglu -- are throwing hissyfits every time the name "Israel" is even mentioned. LOL.

Russia and Israel have gotten a lot closer in recent years, and have lucrative deals brewiing with UAV, Skolkovo Project, not to mention the Cyprus-Greece oil & gas projects. (If you're not familiar, Russian Mafia & Oligarch regime currently in power have their tax-haven in Greek Cyprus).

And if by some that S-400 system ended up Lebanon, it would be TAKEN OUT by Israel within the first 10 minutes of being deployed.

See: 1982 Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot for more.
 Quoting: ASV 2382559


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^​^

What are you talking about Russia has always been irrational every since Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev been pounding his shoes @ the U.N. table in NYC. And its been one insane Soviet Union (now morphed to Russia) leader after one insane Russian leader that has come into office.

Now with Putin and Dmitri Mendelov who are Russian Mafia and KGB, and cannot be trusted as far as they can be thrown, -> not far!

Thank (Communist Infiltrator) FDR for this big cluster f*&k of the World and USA.

World and USA are at the point of destruction..

[link to www.youtube.com]

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LOL, the Nasrallah is still hiding for 6 years in his bunker. He will be lucky to survive the Sunni Spring in Syria (most of Hebollah is committed in Syria in desperate attempt to save Bashar Assad). No wonder because "Nasrallah" in Russian means "she took a shit". It's true, hahaah.

1) Hezbollah may have more rockets than Hamas, but most of them still need LAUNCHERS --- in 2006, Israel destroyed Hezbollah's longer-range rockets in the fist hour of the war.

2) By 2006, IDF was simply too preoccupied with TERROR policing activities during 2nd Intifada --- and as such woefully unprepared for bigger war. The invaluiable, old-school training for infantry and mechanized units were slashed dramatically for years for budgetary reasons. The Merkava tank project was all but halted. The Trophy system delayed, also for budgetary reasons. Most people in Israel cared more about the Peace Process and dealing with Palestinian terror than Lebanon. Remember, in 2000 Ehud Barak pulled Israel out of South Lebanon completely, so it was considered to be a non-issue anymore.

2) What's worse, in 2006, Israel was led by a corrupt Leftie loser like Ehud Olmert as PM and by Amir Peretz as Defense Minister, despite not having military background (Peretz was a union boss, lol!). Olmert clearly did NOT want to have a war, was dragged into only because of 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers, had moronic idea of tactics, was too slow making decisions, then even when he listened to his commanders and made right decisions, he then pussied out and changed his mind like 10 different times.... sending (older) Mekava tanks into suicide missions, into volleys of Russian Kornet & Metis-M fire in wooded, mountainous area where Merkava wasn't even suited for..... Finally when Olmert & Peretz listerned to their more progessional military advisers in the last day of the war, Olmert's incompetent Foreign Minister, Tsipi Livni under pressure from George W. Bush and Europeans agreed to a cease-fire ---- thus defeating the entire point of the 11th hour Israeli gains!

3) So despite the pretty much WORST-case scenario of the 2nd Lebanon War... Only about 50 civilians died in Israel, 40 of them Israeli ARABS in the North. Also those ill-planned, suicidal Olmert tank missions resulted in about 100 IDF casualties ---- as compared to 800 Hezbollah fighters. That's a robust 8:1 kill ratio in favour of the admittedly ill-prepared IDF fighting on Hezbollah's home turf, mind you. Initially Hezbollah was so embarassed they claimed only 250 deaths, then the figure rose to 500 all while trying to hide their elite fighters deaths in bunkers, tunnels, treating them in Syrian hospitals under fake names ----> but now years later we knonw the full extent of their losses. Plus another 600-700 Lebanese civilians died. BILLIONS of dollars in damage was caused to Lebanese territory.

Lebanese Prime Minister at the time was CRYING on TV. Hell, even the normally-trash talking Hassan Nasrallah admitted after the war that had he known how harash IDF response would be, he would have NOT ordered the kidnapping of the 2 IDF soldiers that kick-started the war. So if that's a "defeat" for Israel, then I don't know what people expect from the tiny Israel. Yes, 6-Day War in 1967 and the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot in 1982 were far more convincing victories for IDF --- but they are considered to be ALL-TIME Historic great military victories, so it's not exactly fair to expect that from IDF or any other military that kind of stunning success every time.

4) While far from ideal, still the 2nd lebanese war provided unprecedended 6+ years of quiet for North Israel. Before that war, Hezbollah terrorists used to attack every 2-3 months.

5) Now Nasrallah boasts about increased rocket stockpile. But he's forgetting that Israel has also made HUGE advancements & overhauls of their military doctrine. Even 2009 castlead showed impressive efficienty --- 700 Hamas fighters killed vs. only 10 IDF, including 3 soldiers by friendly fire errant tank shell, and another one killed in Israel by mortar. So that's 70:1 kill ratio, 100:1 ratio if you take out IDF friendly fire accident. Unprecedented by 21st century urban-warfare standards! And IDF is far more capable in 2012-2013 than it was in 2008/2009.

6) More imporantly, now Israel is going to be led by Netanyahu, Lieberman and new Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon. No more Left-Wingers who try to play nice with terrorists and beg UN's permission for everything. So if Nasrallah targets civilians in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem, expect a few more unpleasant surprises might visit upon them and their bosses in Teheran (newer Stuxnet, EMP, low-yield Neutron bombs, who's to say...)

7) As mentioned, almost all casualties for IDF came from poorly-planned Merkava raids. Those older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 tanks were very strong, were managed to take a lot of hits and out of 50 hit, all but 5 eventually returned to service after repair. However, against veritable volleys advanced Russian ATGM Kornet & Metis-M, no tank in the world can withstand for long. Now, after the war, Israel has re-instated the Merkava and Namer APC program, and the two dynamic tank-protections systems, Rafael's Trophy and IMI's Iron Fist ----> both have shown to be able to defeat even most advanced Kornet and RPG-29. And both instantly pinpoint the location of the Hezbollah teams that fired the incoming ATGM --- that's a game changer for Hezbollah, LOL.

8) Another area where IDF is light years ahead of 2006 is strategy. In 2006, they thought they could just do some bombing and be done with it -- ala US against Saddam in 1991. IDF was so unprepared, they didn't even manage to properly supply soldiers with food & water when they did enter Lebanon at the very end of the war right before Cease-fire took hold. In 2012-2013, that's been rectified, the next Lebanon war will likely include lightening quick, devastatingly powerful incursions under advanced artillery cover and drones, lots of drones. You saw just how surgical IDF has gotten last week against Gaza terror infrastructure.

9) Barak-8, Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Patriot-Advanced-Capability (PAC), Arrow 2 and eventually Arrow-3 systems. While Israel doesn't have unlimited oil-wealth of other M.E nations, and as such has to progress slowly on developing SAM defense solutions.... suffice it to say, IDF has some newer toys. While only 1/3 of full arial coverage has been achieved in such very short period of time, Iron Dome has already showed unexpected ability to shoot down large, expensive rockets like Fajr-5 and lighter version of Zelzal. That's a game-changer for Hezbolah because most of its arnenal is smaller, shorter-range Grads.

10) In short, all this Islamic bluster is just pathetic attempt to cover up for Iran's embarassment at their main off-site Weapons facility bombed in Sudan a month ago, and they their darling jihadi groups in Gaza Hamas & Islamic Jihad, PRC in whose missile capabilities Iran invested years & billions of dollars.... go up in flames in just a few days, along with their top military commanders like Ja'abari, Raed al-Atar, et al. Not nearly as easy to replace, trust & replenish as it sounds -- especially now that Obama & Clinton have made pledge to Israel to maintain tighter supervision & control of Gaza tunnels.


If I am Nasrallah, I better worry about Assad losing 500+ tanks, IFV, APC and now even SAM & air bases. And about Lebanese economy.

His desperation is palpable.
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Epic post.

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Free Lebanon of those fucking animals.

It is the place I want to live in.
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Free Lebanon of those fucking animals.

It is the place I want to live in.
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I guess so, as I was born @ Mt. Lebanon Hospital, the Bronx, NY, so I guess I need to be put back @ Lebanon where I truly belong...

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LOL, the Nasrallah is still hiding for 6 years in his bunker. He will be lucky to survive the Sunni Spring in Syria (most of Hebollah is committed in Syria in desperate attempt to save Bashar Assad). No wonder because "Nasrallah" in Russian means "she took a shit". It's true, hahaah.

1) Hezbollah may have more rockets than Hamas, but most of them still need LAUNCHERS --- in 2006, Israel destroyed Hezbollah's longer-range rockets in the fist hour of the war.

2) By 2006, IDF was simply too preoccupied with TERROR policing activities during 2nd Intifada --- and as such woefully unprepared for bigger war. The invaluiable, old-school training for infantry and mechanized units were slashed dramatically for years for budgetary reasons. The Merkava tank project was all but halted. The Trophy system delayed, also for budgetary reasons. Most people in Israel cared more about the Peace Process and dealing with Palestinian terror than Lebanon. Remember, in 2000 Ehud Barak pulled Israel out of South Lebanon completely, so it was considered to be a non-issue anymore.

2) What's worse, in 2006, Israel was led by a corrupt Leftie loser like Ehud Olmert as PM and by Amir Peretz as Defense Minister, despite not having military background (Peretz was a union boss, lol!). Olmert clearly did NOT want to have a war, was dragged into only because of 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers, had moronic idea of tactics, was too slow making decisions, then even when he listened to his commanders and made right decisions, he then pussied out and changed his mind like 10 different times.... sending (older) Mekava tanks into suicide missions, into volleys of Russian Kornet & Metis-M fire in wooded, mountainous area where Merkava wasn't even suited for..... Finally when Olmert & Peretz listerned to their more progessional military advisers in the last day of the war, Olmert's incompetent Foreign Minister, Tsipi Livni under pressure from George W. Bush and Europeans agreed to a cease-fire ---- thus defeating the entire point of the 11th hour Israeli gains!

3) So despite the pretty much WORST-case scenario of the 2nd Lebanon War... Only about 50 civilians died in Israel, 40 of them Israeli ARABS in the North. Also those ill-planned, suicidal Olmert tank missions resulted in about 100 IDF casualties ---- as compared to 800 Hezbollah fighters. That's a robust 8:1 kill ratio in favour of the admittedly ill-prepared IDF fighting on Hezbollah's home turf, mind you. Initially Hezbollah was so embarassed they claimed only 250 deaths, then the figure rose to 500 all while trying to hide their elite fighters deaths in bunkers, tunnels, treating them in Syrian hospitals under fake names ----> but now years later we knonw the full extent of their losses. Plus another 600-700 Lebanese civilians died. BILLIONS of dollars in damage was caused to Lebanese territory.

Lebanese Prime Minister at the time was CRYING on TV. Hell, even the normally-trash talking Hassan Nasrallah admitted after the war that had he known how harash IDF response would be, he would have NOT ordered the kidnapping of the 2 IDF soldiers that kick-started the war. So if that's a "defeat" for Israel, then I don't know what people expect from the tiny Israel. Yes, 6-Day War in 1967 and the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot in 1982 were far more convincing victories for IDF --- but they are considered to be ALL-TIME Historic great military victories, so it's not exactly fair to expect that from IDF or any other military that kind of stunning success every time.

4) While far from ideal, still the 2nd lebanese war provided unprecedended 6+ years of quiet for North Israel. Before that war, Hezbollah terrorists used to attack every 2-3 months.

5) Now Nasrallah boasts about increased rocket stockpile. But he's forgetting that Israel has also made HUGE advancements & overhauls of their military doctrine. Even 2009 castlead showed impressive efficienty --- 700 Hamas fighters killed vs. only 10 IDF, including 3 soldiers by friendly fire errant tank shell, and another one killed in Israel by mortar. So that's 70:1 kill ratio, 100:1 ratio if you take out IDF friendly fire accident. Unprecedented by 21st century urban-warfare standards! And IDF is far more capable in 2012-2013 than it was in 2008/2009.

6) More imporantly, now Israel is going to be led by Netanyahu, Lieberman and new Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon. No more Left-Wingers who try to play nice with terrorists and beg UN's permission for everything. So if Nasrallah targets civilians in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem, expect a few more unpleasant surprises might visit upon them and their bosses in Teheran (newer Stuxnet, EMP, low-yield Neutron bombs, who's to say...)

7) As mentioned, almost all casualties for IDF came from poorly-planned Merkava raids. Those older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 tanks were very strong, were managed to take a lot of hits and out of 50 hit, all but 5 eventually returned to service after repair. However, against veritable volleys advanced Russian ATGM Kornet & Metis-M, no tank in the world can withstand for long. Now, after the war, Israel has re-instated the Merkava and Namer APC program, and the two dynamic tank-protections systems, Rafael's Trophy and IMI's Iron Fist ----> both have shown to be able to defeat even most advanced Kornet and RPG-29. And both instantly pinpoint the location of the Hezbollah teams that fired the incoming ATGM --- that's a game changer for Hezbollah, LOL.

8) Another area where IDF is light years ahead of 2006 is strategy. In 2006, they thought they could just do some bombing and be done with it -- ala US against Saddam in 1991. IDF was so unprepared, they didn't even manage to properly supply soldiers with food & water when they did enter Lebanon at the very end of the war right before Cease-fire took hold. In 2012-2013, that's been rectified, the next Lebanon war will likely include lightening quick, devastatingly powerful incursions under advanced artillery cover and drones, lots of drones. You saw just how surgical IDF has gotten last week against Gaza terror infrastructure.

9) Barak-8, Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Patriot-Advanced-Capability (PAC), Arrow 2 and eventually Arrow-3 systems. While Israel doesn't have unlimited oil-wealth of other M.E nations, and as such has to progress slowly on developing SAM defense solutions.... suffice it to say, IDF has some newer toys. While only 1/3 of full arial coverage has been achieved in such very short period of time, Iron Dome has already showed unexpected ability to shoot down large, expensive rockets like Fajr-5 and lighter version of Zelzal. That's a game-changer for Hezbolah because most of its arnenal is smaller, shorter-range Grads.

10) In short, all this Islamic bluster is just pathetic attempt to cover up for Iran's embarassment at their main off-site Weapons facility bombed in Sudan a month ago, and they their darling jihadi groups in Gaza Hamas & Islamic Jihad, PRC in whose missile capabilities Iran invested years & billions of dollars.... go up in flames in just a few days, along with their top military commanders like Ja'abari, Raed al-Atar, et al. Not nearly as easy to replace, trust & replenish as it sounds -- especially now that Obama & Clinton have made pledge to Israel to maintain tighter supervision & control of Gaza tunnels.


If I am Nasrallah, I better worry about Assad losing 500+ tanks, IFV, APC and now even SAM & air bases. And about Lebanese economy.

His desperation is palpable.
 Quoting: Ashton's Succulent Volvo 2382559

Epic post.

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Bring back the American George Patton, & Douglas MacArthur philosophy of War.

Wake up the Sleeping Giant (USA)..

And "Kill-em all, let G-d sort it out" (Marine Expression).

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Free Lebanon of those fucking animals.

It is the place I want to live in.
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It really is a shame, ain't it?

Before Islamist civil war & subsequent take-over... Lebanon was a fairly advanced & respected M.E. country.

Beirut used to be known as "Paris of the Middle East". It was also Switzerland of the M.E. because wealthy elites used to do their BANKING business there.

If Lebanon tried to be an ally of Israel instead of joining other Arab-Muslim countries in their big wars.... Lebanon would have been then ENVY of the region.

Just in oil & gas, the two countries could have done some big business.

And Lebanese women are HOT.
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LOL, the Nasrallah is still hiding for 6 years in his bunker. He will be lucky to survive the Sunni Spring in Syria (most of Hebollah is committed in Syria in desperate attempt to save Bashar Assad). No wonder because "Nasrallah" in Russian means "she took a shit". It's true, hahaah.

1) Hezbollah may have more rockets than Hamas, but most of them still need LAUNCHERS --- in 2006, Israel destroyed Hezbollah's longer-range rockets in the fist hour of the war.

2) By 2006, IDF was simply too preoccupied with TERROR policing activities during 2nd Intifada --- and as such woefully unprepared for bigger war. The invaluiable, old-school training for infantry and mechanized units were slashed dramatically for years for budgetary reasons. The Merkava tank project was all but halted. The Trophy system delayed, also for budgetary reasons. Most people in Israel cared more about the Peace Process and dealing with Palestinian terror than Lebanon. Remember, in 2000 Ehud Barak pulled Israel out of South Lebanon completely, so it was considered to be a non-issue anymore.

2) What's worse, in 2006, Israel was led by a corrupt Leftie loser like Ehud Olmert as PM and by Amir Peretz as Defense Minister, despite not having military background (Peretz was a union boss, lol!). Olmert clearly did NOT want to have a war, was dragged into only because of 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers, had moronic idea of tactics, was too slow making decisions, then even when he listened to his commanders and made right decisions, he then pussied out and changed his mind like 10 different times.... sending (older) Mekava tanks into suicide missions, into volleys of Russian Kornet & Metis-M fire in wooded, mountainous area where Merkava wasn't even suited for..... Finally when Olmert & Peretz listerned to their more progessional military advisers in the last day of the war, Olmert's incompetent Foreign Minister, Tsipi Livni under pressure from George W. Bush and Europeans agreed to a cease-fire ---- thus defeating the entire point of the 11th hour Israeli gains!

3) So despite the pretty much WORST-case scenario of the 2nd Lebanon War... Only about 50 civilians died in Israel, 40 of them Israeli ARABS in the North. Also those ill-planned, suicidal Olmert tank missions resulted in about 100 IDF casualties ---- as compared to 800 Hezbollah fighters. That's a robust 8:1 kill ratio in favour of the admittedly ill-prepared IDF fighting on Hezbollah's home turf, mind you. Initially Hezbollah was so embarassed they claimed only 250 deaths, then the figure rose to 500 all while trying to hide their elite fighters deaths in bunkers, tunnels, treating them in Syrian hospitals under fake names ----> but now years later we knonw the full extent of their losses. Plus another 600-700 Lebanese civilians died. BILLIONS of dollars in damage was caused to Lebanese territory.

Lebanese Prime Minister at the time was CRYING on TV. Hell, even the normally-trash talking Hassan Nasrallah admitted after the war that had he known how harash IDF response would be, he would have NOT ordered the kidnapping of the 2 IDF soldiers that kick-started the war. So if that's a "defeat" for Israel, then I don't know what people expect from the tiny Israel. Yes, 6-Day War in 1967 and the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot in 1982 were far more convincing victories for IDF --- but they are considered to be ALL-TIME Historic great military victories, so it's not exactly fair to expect that from IDF or any other military that kind of stunning success every time.

4) While far from ideal, still the 2nd lebanese war provided unprecedended 6+ years of quiet for North Israel. Before that war, Hezbollah terrorists used to attack every 2-3 months.

5) Now Nasrallah boasts about increased rocket stockpile. But he's forgetting that Israel has also made HUGE advancements & overhauls of their military doctrine. Even 2009 castlead showed impressive efficienty --- 700 Hamas fighters killed vs. only 10 IDF, including 3 soldiers by friendly fire errant tank shell, and another one killed in Israel by mortar. So that's 70:1 kill ratio, 100:1 ratio if you take out IDF friendly fire accident. Unprecedented by 21st century urban-warfare standards! And IDF is far more capable in 2012-2013 than it was in 2008/2009.

6) More imporantly, now Israel is going to be led by Netanyahu, Lieberman and new Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon. No more Left-Wingers who try to play nice with terrorists and beg UN's permission for everything. So if Nasrallah targets civilians in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem, expect a few more unpleasant surprises might visit upon them and their bosses in Teheran (newer Stuxnet, EMP, low-yield Neutron bombs, who's to say...)

7) As mentioned, almost all casualties for IDF came from poorly-planned Merkava raids. Those older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 tanks were very strong, were managed to take a lot of hits and out of 50 hit, all but 5 eventually returned to service after repair. However, against veritable volleys advanced Russian ATGM Kornet & Metis-M, no tank in the world can withstand for long. Now, after the war, Israel has re-instated the Merkava and Namer APC program, and the two dynamic tank-protections systems, Rafael's Trophy and IMI's Iron Fist ----> both have shown to be able to defeat even most advanced Kornet and RPG-29. And both instantly pinpoint the location of the Hezbollah teams that fired the incoming ATGM --- that's a game changer for Hezbollah, LOL.

8) Another area where IDF is light years ahead of 2006 is strategy. In 2006, they thought they could just do some bombing and be done with it -- ala US against Saddam in 1991. IDF was so unprepared, they didn't even manage to properly supply soldiers with food & water when they did enter Lebanon at the very end of the war right before Cease-fire took hold. In 2012-2013, that's been rectified, the next Lebanon war will likely include lightening quick, devastatingly powerful incursions under advanced artillery cover and drones, lots of drones. You saw just how surgical IDF has gotten last week against Gaza terror infrastructure.

9) Barak-8, Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Patriot-Advanced-Capability (PAC), Arrow 2 and eventually Arrow-3 systems. While Israel doesn't have unlimited oil-wealth of other M.E nations, and as such has to progress slowly on developing SAM defense solutions.... suffice it to say, IDF has some newer toys. While only 1/3 of full arial coverage has been achieved in such very short period of time, Iron Dome has already showed unexpected ability to shoot down large, expensive rockets like Fajr-5 and lighter version of Zelzal. That's a game-changer for Hezbolah because most of its arnenal is smaller, shorter-range Grads.

10) In short, all this Islamic bluster is just pathetic attempt to cover up for Iran's embarassment at their main off-site Weapons facility bombed in Sudan a month ago, and they their darling jihadi groups in Gaza Hamas & Islamic Jihad, PRC in whose missile capabilities Iran invested years & billions of dollars.... go up in flames in just a few days, along with their top military commanders like Ja'abari, Raed al-Atar, et al. Not nearly as easy to replace, trust & replenish as it sounds -- especially now that Obama & Clinton have made pledge to Israel to maintain tighter supervision & control of Gaza tunnels.


If I am Nasrallah, I better worry about Assad losing 500+ tanks, IFV, APC and now even SAM & air bases. And about Lebanese economy.

His desperation is palpable.
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Epic post.

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Free Lebanon of those fucking animals.

It is the place I want to live in.
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It really is a shame, ain't it?

Before Islamist civil war & subsequent take-over... Lebanon was a fairly advanced & respected M.E. country.

Beirut used to be known as "Paris of the Middle East". It was also Switzerland of the M.E. because wealthy elites used to do their BANKING business there.

If Lebanon tried to be an ally of Israel instead of joining other Arab-Muslim countries in their big wars.... Lebanon would have been then ENVY of the region.

Just in oil & gas, the two countries could have done some big business.

And Lebanese women are HOT.
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And besides there was a "Get Smart" called 'Shipment to Beirut", so it must be true..

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LOL, the Nasrallah is still hiding for 6 years in his bunker. He will be lucky to survive the Sunni Spring in Syria (most of Hebollah is committed in Syria in desperate attempt to save Bashar Assad). No wonder because "Nasrallah" in Russian means "she took a shit". It's true, hahaah.

1) Hezbollah may have more rockets than Hamas, but most of them still need LAUNCHERS --- in 2006, Israel destroyed Hezbollah's longer-range rockets in the fist hour of the war.

2) By 2006, IDF was simply too preoccupied with TERROR policing activities during 2nd Intifada --- and as such woefully unprepared for bigger war. The invaluiable, old-school training for infantry and mechanized units were slashed dramatically for years for budgetary reasons. The Merkava tank project was all but halted. The Trophy system delayed, also for budgetary reasons. Most people in Israel cared more about the Peace Process and dealing with Palestinian terror than Lebanon. Remember, in 2000 Ehud Barak pulled Israel out of South Lebanon completely, so it was considered to be a non-issue anymore.

2) What's worse, in 2006, Israel was led by a corrupt Leftie loser like Ehud Olmert as PM and by Amir Peretz as Defense Minister, despite not having military background (Peretz was a union boss, lol!). Olmert clearly did NOT want to have a war, was dragged into only because of 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers, had moronic idea of tactics, was too slow making decisions, then even when he listened to his commanders and made right decisions, he then pussied out and changed his mind like 10 different times.... sending (older) Mekava tanks into suicide missions, into volleys of Russian Kornet & Metis-M fire in wooded, mountainous area where Merkava wasn't even suited for..... Finally when Olmert & Peretz listerned to their more progessional military advisers in the last day of the war, Olmert's incompetent Foreign Minister, Tsipi Livni under pressure from George W. Bush and Europeans agreed to a cease-fire ---- thus defeating the entire point of the 11th hour Israeli gains!

3) So despite the pretty much WORST-case scenario of the 2nd Lebanon War... Only about 50 civilians died in Israel, 40 of them Israeli ARABS in the North. Also those ill-planned, suicidal Olmert tank missions resulted in about 100 IDF casualties ---- as compared to 800 Hezbollah fighters. That's a robust 8:1 kill ratio in favour of the admittedly ill-prepared IDF fighting on Hezbollah's home turf, mind you. Initially Hezbollah was so embarassed they claimed only 250 deaths, then the figure rose to 500 all while trying to hide their elite fighters deaths in bunkers, tunnels, treating them in Syrian hospitals under fake names ----> but now years later we knonw the full extent of their losses. Plus another 600-700 Lebanese civilians died. BILLIONS of dollars in damage was caused to Lebanese territory.

Lebanese Prime Minister at the time was CRYING on TV. Hell, even the normally-trash talking Hassan Nasrallah admitted after the war that had he known how harash IDF response would be, he would have NOT ordered the kidnapping of the 2 IDF soldiers that kick-started the war. So if that's a "defeat" for Israel, then I don't know what people expect from the tiny Israel. Yes, 6-Day War in 1967 and the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot in 1982 were far more convincing victories for IDF --- but they are considered to be ALL-TIME Historic great military victories, so it's not exactly fair to expect that from IDF or any other military that kind of stunning success every time.

4) While far from ideal, still the 2nd lebanese war provided unprecedended 6+ years of quiet for North Israel. Before that war, Hezbollah terrorists used to attack every 2-3 months.

5) Now Nasrallah boasts about increased rocket stockpile. But he's forgetting that Israel has also made HUGE advancements & overhauls of their military doctrine. Even 2009 castlead showed impressive efficienty --- 700 Hamas fighters killed vs. only 10 IDF, including 3 soldiers by friendly fire errant tank shell, and another one killed in Israel by mortar. So that's 70:1 kill ratio, 100:1 ratio if you take out IDF friendly fire accident. Unprecedented by 21st century urban-warfare standards! And IDF is far more capable in 2012-2013 than it was in 2008/2009.

6) More imporantly, now Israel is going to be led by Netanyahu, Lieberman and new Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon. No more Left-Wingers who try to play nice with terrorists and beg UN's permission for everything. So if Nasrallah targets civilians in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem, expect a few more unpleasant surprises might visit upon them and their bosses in Teheran (newer Stuxnet, EMP, low-yield Neutron bombs, who's to say...)

7) As mentioned, almost all casualties for IDF came from poorly-planned Merkava raids. Those older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 tanks were very strong, were managed to take a lot of hits and out of 50 hit, all but 5 eventually returned to service after repair. However, against veritable volleys advanced Russian ATGM Kornet & Metis-M, no tank in the world can withstand for long. Now, after the war, Israel has re-instated the Merkava and Namer APC program, and the two dynamic tank-protections systems, Rafael's Trophy and IMI's Iron Fist ----> both have shown to be able to defeat even most advanced Kornet and RPG-29. And both instantly pinpoint the location of the Hezbollah teams that fired the incoming ATGM --- that's a game changer for Hezbollah, LOL.

8) Another area where IDF is light years ahead of 2006 is strategy. In 2006, they thought they could just do some bombing and be done with it -- ala US against Saddam in 1991. IDF was so unprepared, they didn't even manage to properly supply soldiers with food & water when they did enter Lebanon at the very end of the war right before Cease-fire took hold. In 2012-2013, that's been rectified, the next Lebanon war will likely include lightening quick, devastatingly powerful incursions under advanced artillery cover and drones, lots of drones. You saw just how surgical IDF has gotten last week against Gaza terror infrastructure.

9) Barak-8, Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Patriot-Advanced-Capability (PAC), Arrow 2 and eventually Arrow-3 systems. While Israel doesn't have unlimited oil-wealth of other M.E nations, and as such has to progress slowly on developing SAM defense solutions.... suffice it to say, IDF has some newer toys. While only 1/3 of full arial coverage has been achieved in such very short period of time, Iron Dome has already showed unexpected ability to shoot down large, expensive rockets like Fajr-5 and lighter version of Zelzal. That's a game-changer for Hezbolah because most of its arnenal is smaller, shorter-range Grads.

10) In short, all this Islamic bluster is just pathetic attempt to cover up for Iran's embarassment at their main off-site Weapons facility bombed in Sudan a month ago, and they their darling jihadi groups in Gaza Hamas & Islamic Jihad, PRC in whose missile capabilities Iran invested years & billions of dollars.... go up in flames in just a few days, along with their top military commanders like Ja'abari, Raed al-Atar, et al. Not nearly as easy to replace, trust & replenish as it sounds -- especially now that Obama & Clinton have made pledge to Israel to maintain tighter supervision & control of Gaza tunnels.


If I am Nasrallah, I better worry about Assad losing 500+ tanks, IFV, APC and now even SAM & air bases. And about Lebanese economy.

His desperation is palpable.
 Quoting: Ashton's Succulent Volvo 2382559

Epic post.

:robotappla:
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Bring back the American George Patton, & Douglas MacArthur philosophy of War.

Wake up the Sleeping Giant (USA)..

And "Kill-em all, let G-d sort it out" (Marine Expression).

clappa
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Oh-oh.

Looks like Assad-pants just got majorly TROLLED by the rebels.

"Oh my radar, the radar -- a kinddom for a radar!!!!"


[link to www.debka.com]

AHAAHAHHAHA, poor Assad, I'm going to root for the poor sod, I think ok maybe


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LOL, the Nasrallah is still hiding for 6 years in his bunker. He will be lucky to survive the Sunni Spring in Syria (most of Hebollah is committed in Syria in desperate attempt to save Bashar Assad). No wonder because "Nasrallah" in Russian means "she took a shit". It's true, hahaah.

1) Hezbollah may have more rockets than Hamas, but most of them still need LAUNCHERS --- in 2006, Israel destroyed Hezbollah's longer-range rockets in the fist hour of the war.

2) By 2006, IDF was simply too preoccupied with TERROR policing activities during 2nd Intifada --- and as such woefully unprepared for bigger war. The invaluiable, old-school training for infantry and mechanized units were slashed dramatically for years for budgetary reasons. The Merkava tank project was all but halted. The Trophy system delayed, also for budgetary reasons. Most people in Israel cared more about the Peace Process and dealing with Palestinian terror than Lebanon. Remember, in 2000 Ehud Barak pulled Israel out of South Lebanon completely, so it was considered to be a non-issue anymore.

2) What's worse, in 2006, Israel was led by a corrupt Leftie loser like Ehud Olmert as PM and by Amir Peretz as Defense Minister, despite not having military background (Peretz was a union boss, lol!). Olmert clearly did NOT want to have a war, was dragged into only because of 2 kidnapped Israeli soldiers, had moronic idea of tactics, was too slow making decisions, then even when he listened to his commanders and made right decisions, he then pussied out and changed his mind like 10 different times.... sending (older) Mekava tanks into suicide missions, into volleys of Russian Kornet & Metis-M fire in wooded, mountainous area where Merkava wasn't even suited for..... Finally when Olmert & Peretz listerned to their more progessional military advisers in the last day of the war, Olmert's incompetent Foreign Minister, Tsipi Livni under pressure from George W. Bush and Europeans agreed to a cease-fire ---- thus defeating the entire point of the 11th hour Israeli gains!

3) So despite the pretty much WORST-case scenario of the 2nd Lebanon War... Only about 50 civilians died in Israel, 40 of them Israeli ARABS in the North. Also those ill-planned, suicidal Olmert tank missions resulted in about 100 IDF casualties ---- as compared to 800 Hezbollah fighters. That's a robust 8:1 kill ratio in favour of the admittedly ill-prepared IDF fighting on Hezbollah's home turf, mind you. Initially Hezbollah was so embarassed they claimed only 250 deaths, then the figure rose to 500 all while trying to hide their elite fighters deaths in bunkers, tunnels, treating them in Syrian hospitals under fake names ----> but now years later we knonw the full extent of their losses. Plus another 600-700 Lebanese civilians died. BILLIONS of dollars in damage was caused to Lebanese territory.

Lebanese Prime Minister at the time was CRYING on TV. Hell, even the normally-trash talking Hassan Nasrallah admitted after the war that had he known how harash IDF response would be, he would have NOT ordered the kidnapping of the 2 IDF soldiers that kick-started the war. So if that's a "defeat" for Israel, then I don't know what people expect from the tiny Israel. Yes, 6-Day War in 1967 and the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot in 1982 were far more convincing victories for IDF --- but they are considered to be ALL-TIME Historic great military victories, so it's not exactly fair to expect that from IDF or any other military that kind of stunning success every time.

4) While far from ideal, still the 2nd lebanese war provided unprecedended 6+ years of quiet for North Israel. Before that war, Hezbollah terrorists used to attack every 2-3 months.

5) Now Nasrallah boasts about increased rocket stockpile. But he's forgetting that Israel has also made HUGE advancements & overhauls of their military doctrine. Even 2009 castlead showed impressive efficienty --- 700 Hamas fighters killed vs. only 10 IDF, including 3 soldiers by friendly fire errant tank shell, and another one killed in Israel by mortar. So that's 70:1 kill ratio, 100:1 ratio if you take out IDF friendly fire accident. Unprecedented by 21st century urban-warfare standards! And IDF is far more capable in 2012-2013 than it was in 2008/2009.

6) More imporantly, now Israel is going to be led by Netanyahu, Lieberman and new Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon. No more Left-Wingers who try to play nice with terrorists and beg UN's permission for everything. So if Nasrallah targets civilians in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jerusalem, expect a few more unpleasant surprises might visit upon them and their bosses in Teheran (newer Stuxnet, EMP, low-yield Neutron bombs, who's to say...)

7) As mentioned, almost all casualties for IDF came from poorly-planned Merkava raids. Those older Merkava 2 and Merkava 3 tanks were very strong, were managed to take a lot of hits and out of 50 hit, all but 5 eventually returned to service after repair. However, against veritable volleys advanced Russian ATGM Kornet & Metis-M, no tank in the world can withstand for long. Now, after the war, Israel has re-instated the Merkava and Namer APC program, and the two dynamic tank-protections systems, Rafael's Trophy and IMI's Iron Fist ----> both have shown to be able to defeat even most advanced Kornet and RPG-29. And both instantly pinpoint the location of the Hezbollah teams that fired the incoming ATGM --- that's a game changer for Hezbollah, LOL.

8) Another area where IDF is light years ahead of 2006 is strategy. In 2006, they thought they could just do some bombing and be done with it -- ala US against Saddam in 1991. IDF was so unprepared, they didn't even manage to properly supply soldiers with food & water when they did enter Lebanon at the very end of the war right before Cease-fire took hold. In 2012-2013, that's been rectified, the next Lebanon war will likely include lightening quick, devastatingly powerful incursions under advanced artillery cover and drones, lots of drones. You saw just how surgical IDF has gotten last week against Gaza terror infrastructure.

9) Barak-8, Iron Dome, Magic Wand, Patriot-Advanced-Capability (PAC), Arrow 2 and eventually Arrow-3 systems. While Israel doesn't have unlimited oil-wealth of other M.E nations, and as such has to progress slowly on developing SAM defense solutions.... suffice it to say, IDF has some newer toys. While only 1/3 of full arial coverage has been achieved in such very short period of time, Iron Dome has already showed unexpected ability to shoot down large, expensive rockets like Fajr-5 and lighter version of Zelzal. That's a game-changer for Hezbolah because most of its arnenal is smaller, shorter-range Grads.

10) In short, all this Islamic bluster is just pathetic attempt to cover up for Iran's embarassment at their main off-site Weapons facility bombed in Sudan a month ago, and they their darling jihadi groups in Gaza Hamas & Islamic Jihad, PRC in whose missile capabilities Iran invested years & billions of dollars.... go up in flames in just a few days, along with their top military commanders like Ja'abari, Raed al-Atar, et al. Not nearly as easy to replace, trust & replenish as it sounds -- especially now that Obama & Clinton have made pledge to Israel to maintain tighter supervision & control of Gaza tunnels.


If I am Nasrallah, I better worry about Assad losing 500+ tanks, IFV, APC and now even SAM & air bases. And about Lebanese economy.

His desperation is palpable.
 Quoting: Ashton's Succulent Volvo 2382559

Epic post.

robotappla
 Quoting: ISO


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Bring back the American George Patton, & Douglas MacArthur philosophy of War.

Wake up the Sleeping Giant (USA)..

And "Kill-em all, let G-d sort it out" (Marine Expression).

clappa
 Quoting: Future Viewer


Oh-oh.

Looks like Assad-pants just got majorly TROLLED by the rebels.

"Oh my radar, the radar -- a kinddom for a radar!!!!"


[link to www.debka.com]

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Oh! so you one small battle!, lets see, if you win the overall War, which I doubt. As Russia via proxy is covertly and overtly supplying Syria, Iran, Hezbeloh, and Hamas with big Weapons cache's.

The Overall Middle East (Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, etc..) is so porous with Weapons being brought in @ an alarming rate!

This will go on for eternity...

Idol1
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