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Oh please. As if there still were nation states.


We will see where the story goes.
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...

^^THIS

Probably Merkel gonna apology for asking!

Krauts are fucking disarmed. Wait we could seize a nuke bomb from a German US base.
scheming
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Problem there is, it won't just be about Germany. The repercussions will have a knock on effect within the whole western alliance, probably even further. Robbing your own ally of it's gold. WOW, can't get much lower than that.
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right

we should have just said you broke it , you bought it and walked away from euroland after WW 2 . lesson learned rebuilding countries after war just leads to ungrateful resource competitors a few decades later
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But we're not living in the past are we? We're living in the present, where there's rumors a flying that a major western ally has just done an ally over. Where do we all go from here?
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I guess you can try to come and get it. But know this, the American people had nothing to do with it. Hell they won't even show us americans our own gold which like yours is long gone.. The public needs to find out who stole it and where it went!
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Oh Goody!

scheming

This time the world will be right behind them...

I feel the need for some marching music

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I'm sure this has been done before...sometime in the recent past...no?
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Dr. No nuked fort knox and the gold wont be useable until 2022. us gov is simply covering up this event which occurred in 1964 in fear of public backlash

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applause

maybe the fuckers can really fly...like Jesus. We'll see.

Awesome post.

Buy the way I here the British Nobility have hired a Canadian to cover their banking Crimes...How do you think the poor Buddy will fair in such a vipers nest?

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They cannot produce what they have already stolen and sold. So they do like any good Obama type, stonewall.
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WAIT...ITS BEEN DONE..THERE SHORT..REMEMBER


RON PAUL .COM

First Audit Results In The Federal Reserve’s Nearly 100 Year History Were Posted Today, They Are Startling!
Saturday, September 1, 2012 12:50


84 BILLION IS PEANUTS..TRY 16TRILLION..EVERYBODY GOT SCREWED

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious – the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.
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Dr. No nuked fort knox and the gold wont be useable until 2022. us gov is simply covering up this event which occurred in 1964 in fear of public backlash
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I had friends stationed at Fort Knox who were stationed there twenty years ago who said they had been moving the gold out of Fort Knox and there was none left. I do not know where it was sent.
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11/26/2012 03:33 PM
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Wow...this thread died fast. Hmmmm....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28397515


are you a paid shill?

a man was children were murdered by the FED because he posted it on his twitter

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
Lips Of Lucifer

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WAIT...ITS BEEN DONE..THERE SHORT..REMEMBER


RON PAUL .COM

First Audit Results In The Federal Reserve’s Nearly 100 Year History Were Posted Today, They Are Startling!
Saturday, September 1, 2012 12:50


84 BILLION IS PEANUTS..TRY 16TRILLION..EVERYBODY GOT SCREWED

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious – the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.
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Basically what this means is higher inflation, greater taxes and austerity for the many and good times for the FEW...as shown on TV while you are chomping on your Austerity Shit Sandwich...Oh The good times! Life is so short! Party people must party!

[link to www.havingtheircake.com]
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Dr. No nuked fort knox and the gold wont be useable until 2022. us gov is simply covering up this event which occurred in 1964 in fear of public backlash
[/quote

I had friends stationed at Fort Knox who were stationed there twenty years ago who said they had been moving the gold out of Fort Knox and there was none left. I do not know where it was sent.
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i was making a goldfinger joke but i wouldnt be surprised if they were moving the gold out 20 years ago, anybody know of anything that requires the use of gold in the 90s?
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11/26/2012 03:44 PM
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Interesting thread on Giza Death Star. Here's part of today's blog post from Joseph Farrell"


....
“If the Western central banks are indeed leasing out their physical reserves, they would not actually have to disclose the specific amounts of gold that leave their respective vaults. According to a document on the European Central Bank’s (ECB) website regarding the statistical treatment of the Eurosystem’s International Reserves, current reporting guidelines do not require central banks to differentiate between gold owned outright versus gold lent out or swapped with another party. The document states that, “reversible transactions in gold do not have any effect on the level of monetary gold regardless of the type of transaction (i.e. gold swaps, repos, deposits or loans), in line with the recommendations contained in the IMF guidelines.”6 (Emphasis theirs). Under current reporting guidelines, therefore, central banks are permitted to continue carrying the entry of physical gold on their balance sheet even if they’ve swapped it or lent it out entirely. You can see this in the way Western central banks refer to their gold reserves. The UK Government, for example, refers to its gold allocation as, “Gold (incl. gold swapped or on loan)”. That’s the verbatim phrase they use in their official statement. Same goes for the US Treasury and the ECB, which report their gold holdings as “Gold (including gold deposits and, if appropriate, gold swapped)” and “Gold (including gold deposits and gold swapped)”, respectively (see Chart B). Unfortunately, that’s as far as their description goes, as each institution does not break down what percentage of their stated gold reserves are held in physical, versus what percentage has been loaned out or swapped for something else. The fact that they do not differentiate between the two is astounding, (Ed. As is the “including gold deposits” verbiage that they use – what else is “gold” supposed to refer to?) but at the same time not at all surprising. It would not lend much credence to central bank credibility if they admitted they were leasing their gold reserves to ‘bullion bank’ intermediaries who were then turning around and selling their gold to China, for example......

Read more: ERIC SPROTT ON ALL THAT GOLD IN THE CENTRAL BANKS... ER... WELL...MAYBE NOT....
- Giza Death Star Community

[link to gizadeathstar.com]

There is also a lot of what I would call educated conjecture on the different Bearer Bonds episodes over the past few years.
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11/26/2012 03:46 PM
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Fools gold is all they have!
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I'm sure the Fed is saying "What do you want the bulky old gold for, anyway? You can write a check on it and we'll pay the check up to the entire worth of the gold bars. What could be simpler?" But the truth of course is that the gold is long gone or has been co-mingled with the US gold or has been pledged to the Chinese for other bond purchases or worse! The Germans can kiss this gold bars goodbye! Better to have buried them in hitler's bunker in Berlin that trusted the Federal Reserve with them! Better by far!
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what is germany going to do about it , if they got ripped off ?

not a fucking thing
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28415316

^^THIS

Probably Merkel gonna apology for asking!

Krauts are fucking disarmed. Wait we could seize a nuke bomb from a German US base.
scheming
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Problem there is, it won't just be about Germany. The repercussions will have a knock on effect within the whole western alliance, probably even further. Robbing your own ally of it's gold. WOW, can't get much lower than that.
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Maybe Bernanke will send Merkel flowers, would that smooth things over? Germans are getting fucked every way right now but it keeps getting worse. Just an observation. There isn't going to be any inspection, if there was, why would they be talking about inspection only one chamber? WTF? Inspect all the chambers. Weigh all the bars if it is a real inspection. Better yet, bring it all back to Germany for inspection. Won't happen because your own people are saying that inspecting one chamber is good enough. We all know that is Bull Shit!
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Arrogance of the Fed is unbelievable. If you give someone your gold to protect, and when you later demand it back but are refused then there are only two things:

1. You are a fool.
2. The one whom you gave your gold is a cheat and a thief.


Anyway, in this age of paper money who cares about gold? All you need is for some digits to be entered in the memory drive of a computer out there somewhere.
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Just let them keep it. I'm sure that when the story 'leaks' out to the rest of the world of what they've done then the USA will become a financial desert. No country will trust or want to trade with them every again.
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Yes they will, for wheat my friend! People have to eat!
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Oh please. As if there still were nation states.


We will see where the story goes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28321092


I think yous may have been fucked here buddy, but it was nothing personal, we've all been take for a ride.

Roughly 15 years ago – during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers] – between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA [more than 16 Thousand metric tonnes]. Subsequently, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and WERE shipped to Ft. Knox and remain there to this day. I know folks who have copies of the original shipping docs with dates and exact weights of “tungsten” bars shipped to Ft. Knox.

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16,000 tonnes is over half the current global reserves. This means, if true, 1/3 of all the Gold held anywhere in the world ATM is fake. Now we could discuss whether or not Gold has any intrinsic value but anybody who has paid full price for gold over the past ten years could have been stung.

I hope German authorities pursue this to it's conclusion as this has to come out eventually. I've also came across a couple of links that could potentially link this to the Bushes/CIA/Greenspan and attempts in the late 80's and 1990 to destabilise the currency of the soviet union. The US can't be trusted to investigate itself over this, it runs to deep but hopefully an external investigation by Germany/EU could bring it all down.
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others laying low,
vying with those who you've traded your life to to bless your soul,
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Wow...this thread died fast. Hmmmm....
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are you a paid shill?

a man was children were murdered by the FED because he posted it on his twitter

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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Or maybe this is what he wants??!

The dark wind howls through my kingdom, and The Book on a skin drum flips magically through the known onto the parable of The Lamb and the Money-changers, and then to The Revelation. In stormy respite, as the swallows gather and distant wolves howl, the word is emblazoned in verse, yet to be understood in its simplicity...

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)

They will know my name...

Night
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Now i know why the US is still solvent
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Now i know why the US is still solvent
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For it is called from countless eyes...I am Legion
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Wow...this thread died fast. Hmmmm....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28397515


are you a paid shill?

a man was children were murdered by the FED because he posted it on his twitter

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28321039


Or maybe this is what he wants??!

The dark wind howls through my kingdom, and The Book on a skin drum flips magically through the known onto the parable of The Lamb and the Money-changers, and then to The Revelation. In stormy respite, as the swallows gather and distant wolves howl, the word is emblazoned in verse, yet to be understood in its simplicity...

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)

They will know my name...

Night
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


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maybe, but the police feed scanner said it happened at 250 PM

NYCityAlerts @NYCityAlerts
Manhattan: *Hostage* 57 West 75 St Barricaded perp stabbed & holding hostage 3 adults & 2 kids, ESU enroute Level 1 mobilization called.NY03
2:42 PM - 25 Oct 12 ·

NYCityAlerts @NYCityAlerts
Manhattan: *Multiple Stabbing* 57 West 75 St. NYPD advising perp stabbed 4 victims & then stabbed himself, EMS requested on a rush. NY03
2:50 PM - 25 Oct 12 ·

[link to www.nytimes.com]

On Thursday evening around 5:30, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said, Marina Krim returned to her Upper West Side apartment with her 3-year-old daughter to discover her two other children, a 2-year-old boy and a 6-year-old girl, dead of knife wounds in the bathtub and Ms. Ortega slashing herself with the same bloodied kitchen knife used on the children.
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So BUSTED
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So BUSTED
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who is, they said the nanny did it
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Well, my sci-fi theory is...

We lost the space war with the aliens/ET's

And they demanded huge quanitities of gold - or else the human race would be annihilated

Makes sense to me?


tounge
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Regarding "You cant eat Gold".

Gold is a commodity, Paper is a commodity, Wheat, Rice, Beans, and Chicken Feet, are all commodities.

Gold is the ONLY commodity that does not degrade over time.

Heat, Cold, Wet, Dry storage of THIS commodity guarantees the commodity will be usable despite the passage of time.

Even with high heat, or fire, the commodity will melt and reform into nodules.

DO THAT, with any other commodity and tell me about what happens to it?

10,000 years (at least) of Gold, and Silver commodity trading cant be wrong.
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It took the FED almost 100 years to get that gold out'a there.. swaps, derivatives, credit Instruments bleh bleh.

It was all planned from the very beginning and the FED don't give two shits about what comes next.. because, their mandate expires on.. insert dramatic (drum-roll)

wait.. for it-> You Guessed it.!! Dec 21.st 2012.

They've spent 99 years replacing those bars with, pork-barreled legislation, pretend budget debates, GDP to debt ratio reforms, cut backs, round table, closed door sessions & debates that amounted to a 3-foot pile of bullshit IOU's.. they tossed in a few fancy looking certificates for appearances & they even tried counterfeiting those to prop up the illusion.

Bottom line.. the FED has obliterated the global economy & they don't give a shit. What we're seeing now is the winding up of a 'private' Corporation in preparation of an expired mandate.

They have no intentions of renewing this mandate.. why should they, after leaving this kind of a mess & fiscal time-bombs across their books the illusion is too toxic & too far gone, the timers are set.. & they will bail.

Their only intentions at this point are to cover their proverbial assets until the parachutes deploy & pray that we don't catch on before they go bye bye..

We will suffer & be left to the wrath of the world.

..& yet only a handful of "Ignorant Hippies" turned out to stop them. This is our fault, we've allowed this to happen.

Maybe Germany, Venezuela, Switzerland & the Netherlands will "pin" a few extra +karma points on us.. shroom
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It took the FED almost 100 years to get that gold out'a there.. swaps, derivatives, credit Instruments bleh bleh.

It was all planned from the very beginning and the FED don't give two shits about what comes next.. because, their mandate expires on.. insert dramatic (drum-roll)

wait.. for it-> You Guessed it.!! Dec 21.st 2012.

They've spent 99 years replacing those bars with, pork-barreled legislation, pretend budget debates, GDP to debt ratio reforms, cut backs, round table, closed door sessions & debates that amounted to a 3-foot pile of bullshit IOU's.. they tossed in a few fancy looking certificates for appearances & they even tried counterfeiting those to prop up the illusion.

Bottom line.. the FED has obliterated the global economy & they don't give a shit. What we're seeing now is the winding up of a 'private' Corporation in preparation of an expired mandate.

They have no intentions of renewing this mandate.. why should they, after leaving this kind of a mess & fiscal time-bombs across their books the illusion is too toxic & too far gone, the timers are set.. & they will bail.

Their only intentions at this point are to cover their proverbial assets until the parachutes deploy & pray that we don't catch on before they go bye bye..

We will suffer & be left to the wrath of the world.

..& yet only a handful of "Ignorant Hippies" turned out to stop them. This is our fault, we've allowed this to happen.

Maybe Germany, Venezuela, Switzerland & the Netherlands will "pin" a few extra +karma points on us.. shroom
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wow so that why the killed the cnbc editors children, after they did they removed the story.

they dont want "nobody" talking about it.

well, lets talk about it
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Wow...this thread died fast. Hmmmm....
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I bet you wanted it to die as fast as the 2 children murdered...

u paid shill!!
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sorry this is the wrong calculation for gold

31.103 grammes per oz
32.151 oz per kilo
1000 kilos per tonne

avoirdipois wieght system



from the comments:

Consider this:
Gold is (at the moment I’m writing this) $1727.92 an ounce (according to goldprice.org)
There are 16 ounces to a pound.
There are 2000 pounds to a ton.
The Germans own 1536 tons.

$1,727.92 x 16 = $27,646.72 ($/lb)
$27,646.72 x 2000 = $55,293,440 ($/tn)
$55,293,440 x 1536 = $84,930,723,840 (Total current value of Germany’s gold holdings)

If you gave someone $85 billion dollars to hold on to, and they would never let you see it, weigh it, touch it, or even verify that they have it, let alone wouldn’t give it back in the name of “security”, I’d say you just got robbed of $85 billion. I’d have a very strong opinion about that if I was Germany.
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from the comments:

Consider this:
Gold is (at the moment I’m writing this) $1727.92 an ounce (according to goldprice.org)
There are 16 ounces to a pound.
There are 2000 pounds to a ton.
The Germans own 1536 tons.


sorry this is measurement
31.103 grammes to oz
32.151 oz to kilo
1000 kilos to a ton

$1,727.92 x 16 = $27,646.72 ($/lb)
$27,646.72 x 2000 = $55,293,440 ($/tn)
$55,293,440 x 1536 = $84,930,723,840 (Total current value of Germany’s gold holdings)

If you gave someone $85 billion dollars to hold on to, and they would never let you see it, weigh it, touch it, or even verify that they have it, let alone wouldn’t give it back in the name of “security”, I’d say you just got robbed of $85 billion. I’d have a very strong opinion about that if I was Germany.
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