AMAZING REVELATION!!! THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT JESUS AND THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT ADAM

Amen!

490 years?

fulilled long ago.

42 months are unrelated, waterhead.

42 months/1260 days/years

holy roman empire - 538 to 1798

42 months were also fulfilled in the 'little horn' HRE

you look at the Word of God as if it only has a single fulfillment, Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, the bible has fulfillment yesterday, today and tomorrow not just one of the 3 and its done. Just because one fulfillment happened doesn't mean another won't happen in a way you can't see Colonel.

Is first Adam and man two seperate creations? How does Adam differ from man?

There is a firstborn somewhere in either way you see it. That one is the first begotten of Jesus. He will do the same thing Jesus did he will be before David and come after David. He will be the first begotten son of God and the son of man. When he comes he will not be able to save anyone, his father Jesus already made salvation possible.Adam only comes to unite the 12 tribes of Israel When Jesus came to earth he was here as the atonement for sin and to Glorify his father, when he was done he sat down on the right hand of the father til his enemies become his footstool.

When Adam is here he will Glorify his father Jesus and when he is done will sit down to the right of Jesus. When Jesus was on earth he stated that because his disciples were faithful during his trials that they would rule over the 12 tribes of Israel, but there is a problem, the bible tells us no one is judged without 2 witnesses so how are 12 disciples judging 12 tribes if that is only one witness per tribe?

Solution there is another son of man(Adam) who will have 12 more disciples to bring the total to the 24 elders that have thrones in the throne room: Jesus, Son of God, son of Man.......Adam son of God and after his return son of man

you can't judge 12 with 12 you have to have 24 to judge 12

we see the Son of man(Jesus) 12 disciples will have 12 thrones:

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Most certainly I tell you that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

we see the other son of man(Adam) also has 12 disciples because in the end the 24 elders are the two sets of 12 disciples:
Revelation 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones. On the thrones were twenty-four elders sitting, dressed in white garments, with crowns of gold on their heads

Two separate creations. One meant to establish and populate the earth, (creation of man). The other meant to establish and populate a Kingdom, (creation of the man Adam) a Kingdom, not yet fully seen, but promised; the Kingdom of God!

So the Kingdom is going to be set up by Adam? Do we live in mans kingdom now?

waterman, in reading your threads sometimes you say elijah and adam are the two witnesses, and sometimes you say it is adam and eve (that are the two witnesses). which is it?

wouldn't adam and eve be a couple? As in man and woman? Or the nobody and woman of scars?

i tend to believe the two witnesses are elijah and adam, one lesser and the other greater, while adam and eve are just that, couples. doesn't make eve a witness.

The pattern in the bible is the physical first and the spiritual last...Adam and Eve brought forth physical children in the beginning....the two witnesses in the end bring forth spiritual children, which are born by the knowledge of the salvation Jesus brings and when these two are doing miracles it's going to bring multitudes to Jesus and thus produce spiritual children. Without the message of Jesus as atonement it is the message of ant-christ

when you see the stories in the bible, every person in there is a child of the offspring of Adam and Eve, therefore they are each showing an example of the mission of Adam and eve in the end, because the children act like the parents.......Eve is the mother of all but is also a helper to adam and we see this throughout the bible in Adam and Eves children Moses and helper aaron, Zerubabbel, and helper Joshua Eljah and helper Elisha..when the two witneses come back it will be a copy story of Jesus. Jesus had an elijah(helper) Adam will have an elijah(helper). Adam will have 12 disciples just as Jesus did. Jesus born of a virgin......Adam born of the virgin earth and virgin Spirit.
The difference between Adams ministry and Jesus' ministry is Jesus can save you through what he did on the cross.......Adam saves no one but only joins the 12 tribes of Israel by leading them to his Father Jesus, and when Adam comes he will claim to be the first begotten son of Jesus and when he is born into the world in the end he will have the claim of son of man , just as his father Jesus did, and unfortunately the world will see him as anti-christ. And the real ant-christ that the world believes is messiah will be the antichrist

sherry shriner seemes to believe the ascended masters play a part in the antichrist saga. something about mailtreya and sananda (who tries to fake jesus) and some others...i do believe the ascended masters are no good. Same with the alien agenda and the ascension agenda. What do you make of it? (the new age/ascension agenda)

also obama has been speculated to be the antichrist, but hasn't every president had that speculation too?

When Adam and Eve left the garden there was a flaming sword that kept them out of the garden, in order to get back in the garden they will have to go through the fire(the flaming sword) and that fire is the destruction of the united states and them two coming out of a concentration camp after 42 months

Before Jesus came people asked God for forgiveness by burning animal sacrifices because without the shedding of blood there is no atonement for sin. God dwelled in the temple man built in the Holy of Holies and once a year the high priest would go in and make a sacrifice for the sins of the people. Both temples of God were destroyed and the sacrifice of animals was a never ending atonement. So God sent his Son Jesus who was of God and from God. The best example I can describe would be Adam who had a beginning had Eve in him from the beginning it wasn't until she was needed did she come forth from Adam, God and Jesus are a higher example of this because God had no beginning, and Adam did. Jesus came and lived a sinless life for 33 years and was crucified and rose from the grave 3 days later for the forgivness of sin once and for all, to those who believe by faith, ask for forgivness of sin, and turn from sin are saved......It's not a you mess up once and your out kind of relationship with Jesus, to those who repent, Jesus forgives time after time, but Jesus also knows who is trying and who isn't. Read the bible that tells you Gods plan for your life, and deepens a relationship with Him.

the way of salvation will not change, that is final, the purpose of Adam is to bring the 12 tribes back together and then everything is complete

The Kingdom and its establishment is, and always was, in the hands of its creator. No man, entity or principality can obtain the Kingdom through forced dictate. The sole decision is in the hands of a beneficent God, who created all established foundational elements. If his desire is to turn that which he (Jesus) has inherited from his Father, over to his son Adam. How is that our concern, or a lesser display of God's generosity. God's way of thinking far surpasses our thoughts, for we in our sinful nature are egotistical, so assume that God is also. No, God in his perfection is unexpectedly generous, wise, kind and full of mercy. In all manner of things he always does the unexpected. Remember, whoever He turns the Kingdom over to; that one will be perfected also in the image of his Father. So in that perfection, he also will be wise, generous, kind, merciful, and filled with all the attributes of his Father.
Here is a peek at Adam before he was sent forth by his creator. This is simply to establish that he has a beginning unlike his Father Jesus, who was always, and was not created. (Prov.8:22) The lord possessed me in the beginning of his (way) way, here, actually means in the concordance, bow, so then this is the meaning of that hidden man again in the Lord's quiver, (Isa.49:2) for where there is a quiver there is a bow, just like in (Rev.6:2) the rider carries an empty bow, that is b/c he (the rider) is the hidden arrow, of (Isa.49:2) (see the pattern)(Zech.9:13-14), before his works of old. (Prov 8:23): I was set up, from everlasting, from the beginning or ever the earth was. also it continues and reveals more of this hidden man...8:24-29.. 30: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him...31-36. The only reason I am showing you this is because you post (Prov.8:34), good questions!

Thanks for the summation earlier.

As to what I've quoted above, why couldn't Jesus be the second witness instead of Adam?

I'd need to go over your original posts again to be sure but it seems to me Adam is still just the first knucklehead of billions to follow. Even if you are right there is a ho-hum feel to the whole revelation aspect you have presented. I must be missing something. You've taken John's complex extremely difficult to interpret visions and made them even more convoluted with the addition of Adam. I just don't see how it helps at all...

While the USA has plenty of blood on its hands for sure, what is the role of all the countries surrounding Israel calling for its destruction? Just to highlight a little bit of my thinking on this;

you have on the one hand the USA which allows the free will for mothers the sin of being able terminate unborn unwanted babies vs. nations that actively teach to instill hatred in their own babies to the extent they grow up ready and willing to be suicide bombers in order to supposedly do God's job for Him i.e. exterminating Israel.

Do you see the problem here with naming the US as the one slated for the Biblical apocalyptic destruction that starts the 7-10 whatever years of tribulation? No need to answer, my questions here are basically intended as food for thought.

When Jesus came he had 2 things he did...he provided being the sacrifice for sin(made salvation possible) and Jesus Glorified his Father God Yahweh

When Adam comes he has 2 things he does..he unites(not saves) unites the 12 tribes and Glorifies his Father Jesus.

Thanks for the answers. I'll have somemore questions I just have to read and fully read what you said. I'm picking up the bricks you are putting down. I'm well aware of the "Perfect One" he has givin me more than I deserve times ten.

So Adam has yet to become known/into to the world? He is the son of Jesus coming to unite the world?

Not unite the world, most of the world will hate him just as they hated his father Jesus....the 12 tribes of Israel separated after king solomon, you can do a search on it..all 12 tribes were taken into captivity after they split into 2 kingdoms the northern kingdom Isreal and the southern kingdom Judah and benjamin...judah and benjamin came back and are those in geographical Isreal the other 10 are still lost....Adam bring the two houses back together..not the whole world just the lost 10 tribes and the 2 tribes of Judah(christian and Jew)

Could this revelation be something so great that the post of the horse must be destroyed? If you destroy the post where you tie up horses, then the riders must keep riding. The horse is the only one who suffers for he has no rest.

The day of the post and for the resting of the horses, has now reached near termination!

READ Genesis -- the first chapter. There are two creations of hominids: 1) hunter-gatherers who could eat of the fruit of any tree in the garden and, 2) the Adam who were told they could eat the fruit of any tree in the garden EXCEPT the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Moreover, the Adam were agriculturalists -- not hunter-gatherers. When Cain killed Able, Cain was driven out to the land of Nod (where lived hunter-gatherers). It's all there in Genesis -- the first 3 chapters or so. All you have to do is read it.

See here:

Genesis 1:

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

(Note: Adam was created... no female... until Adam complained for a female and God made it happen. It was not a simultaneous male-female creation in the Adam.)

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

(Note: These male-females could eat of fruit of a EVERY TREE yielding seed. The Adam had tree-eating restrictions.)

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


Now here is the Adam creation:


Genesis 2:

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

(Note: Adam, the male, was created. There was no female co-creation.)

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

(Note: Adam, the male, was moved to Eden from somewhere else. Still there was no female.)

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

(Now here, we see 2 different trees than mentioned in Genesis 1)

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

(Note: Again, Adam moved -- no woman yet.)

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

(Note: TREE EATING RESTRICTIONS HERE. These restrictions did not exist for the first male-females.)

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

(Finally, here, female is created. LONG after male was created and moved around.)

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

(Note: the Adam was around, apparently, before there were any animals. You recall the Adam was created elsewhere and was moved to Eden.)

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

(Note: this is an odd way to make a female as compared to other species in which male-female were made coequally. Even the Genesis 1 homonids were male-female coequals but not the Adam.)

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.



Now then, there are a lot of other differences but this will get you started to see them.

In Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and "female" created he "them." who is the "female" and who is the 'them"

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You have anthing else I can ponder for a bit? I feel like I'm about to shoot, I just want to be sure I shoot straight.

Could it be possible that the first Adam was androgynous containg both soul/spirit. And the second creation was material bodies to divide first Adam aking male and female?

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this verse 27 in chapter 1 of Gen.(KJV) has absolutely nothing to do with a fleshly creation. This is a creation of that spiritual part of man. That is the part of man that is made after the image of God. As it states.. God is a spirit and they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. That is why this creation refers to the creation of man in God's own image. Yet, notice it states, "in the image of God created he (God) him (man); male and female created he (God) (them)". So who is them? Them is man! Both male and female So then the spirit of humans whether male or female is referred to as the male gender, him, his, he, man. That is because the spirit of mankind is called by God... MAN! So that is why in God's Word it is always speaking about the male position . If any MAN, MAN shall not live by bread alone. HE who believes in me, Let no MAN deceive you. You see when the Word is speaking to the spirit of a person, regardless of male or female it is referring to the spiritual portion of that person whose spiritual name is... MAN. For the spiritual portion of man is the final analysis of the completion of all purposes of one's final destiny and destination! God is concerned with one's spirit, the flesh profits nothing!

thats interesting there is oral tradition that when it says eve was taken from a side it meant they were formed back to back and split when eve came forth......I like your comment and give something to ponder..I see Jesus after the order of mechelzedek High priest and King,


Remember Adam is the first begotten son of Jesus(God) and when he comes in the end to unite the 10 lost tribes and the 2 tribes of benjamin he will be the son of man also.
So Adam is the son of God and the son of man just as Jesus had the same title.

then I see Adam as King and Eve as high priest because it says in Revelation 5:10: And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. So we see Jesus King and High Priest, then the next level Adam sitting on the right of Jesus as king and Eve sitting on the left as priest and then the 24 elders 12 kings and 12 priests sitting on 24 thrones judging the 12 tribes).

The promise Jesus gave the 12 disciples is Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Most certainly I tell you that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

Now that verse can be fulfilled again because Adam when he comes to unite the 10 lost tribes and the 2 tribes of benjamin goes through a furnace of affliction(concentration camp) and during that time he will find his 12 disciples and he will say Matthew 19:28 "Most certainly I tell you that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Do you know why this has to be fulfilled again. Because it is against the law for a man to be judged by only 1 it has to be two witnesses( Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.) and if 12 disciples are judging 12 tribes that is only 1 person per tribe so Adam will join his 12 with the other 12 disciples and you have the 24 elders who will judge the 12 tribes of Israel during the 1000 years being 2 persons per tribe judging, a priest and a king

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Hey waterman how is jesus adams father wouldnt god be his father since he created him?

Jesus created everything:
Collosians 1:15-19
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist . 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence . 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell ;

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King James Version
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

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24 Elders: