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NEW ICE AGE VERSUS GLOBAL WARMING DISCUSSION DATA

 
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Excellent posts OP! 5 stars
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hf Thank's!!!
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Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

JMA last 2 weeks of Dec shows "global cooling" most of land masses of N hemisphere colder than normal [link to twitter.com]
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Temperatures currently 15 to 25 degrees cooler than this time yesterday! Napa is 38 degrees! #bayarearain #sfweather #napa
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AccuWeather.com‏@breakingweather

RT @nwsamarillo: Some indications that this cold air in Alaska & Canada may move our way early next wk. [link to ow.ly] #txwx #okwx
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Snow Storm in China on Monday, 03 December, 2012 at 15:17 (03:17 PM) UTC.

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Snowstorms caused travel chaos Monday with expressways in northeast China's Liaoning province forced to close and passenger ships departing from the port city of Dalian suspended. As of 4 p.m., more than 11,000 passenger buses were suspended due to the disruption on the expressways, provincial highways as well as the rural roads, according to the provincial transportation department. Passenger ships sailing from the Dalian port to the island county of Changhai and east China's Shandong province were all suspended due to the gales, the department said. Xiantao International Airport, which was closed Monday morning, resumed service at 2 p.m.. The Harbin-Dalian High-Speed Railway, which started operation on Saturday linking three provinces in the northeast China region, was not affected by the weather. The snow stopped as of Monday afternoon with plunging temperatures all over the province, according to the provincial meteorological bureau.
[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
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RyanMaueRyan Maue 1 h


10-day period for Europe looks well below normal. 120-hour forecast shows deep trough, ditto at 240-hours. [link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

While Lower-48 USA basks in December "heat", Finland, Sweden, and Norway are frozen solid, 40°F below average. [link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

ECMWF 12z buries Ontario and Quebec under plenty of snowfall from Great Lakes (blizzard) 982 mb low next week. [link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Western Canada & Alaska need some global warming. Brutal cold locked in for week. [link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Raw anomalies are 28-30°F above normal. Lower-48 CONUS still 8°C above normal (sorry about mixing scales). [link to twitter.com]
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Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

Eastern US too warm on GFS 8-16, most n hemisphere land masses going into deep freeze.. Global temps drop below aver [link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

NCEP 12z ensembles keep the worst cold (-30 to -40°F) locked in western Canada for next 16-days. It's there waiting. [link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Fairbanks Alaska enjoying -40°F temperature currently. RTMA 2.5 km analysis found -52°F as Alaska coldest. Brrr... [link to twitter.com]
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12/04/2012 04:03 PM
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provide a RELIABLE english link or you are full of.....bsflag
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provide a RELIABLE english link or you are full of.....bsflag
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a reliable link??? Ryan is one of the best and respected meteorologists!!!
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AccuWeather.com‏@breakingweather

Correction: -59.1ºF RT @breakingweather: Viva, Russia recorded a low temperature of 59.1ºF Wednesday morning.
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Alaska is still getting crushed with cold air running in some places over 30 degrees below normal. Some let up in the cold is expected next week when temperatures should rise to 15 to 20 degrees below normal.

Chicken Ak got to -50 six days in a row and Tok Ak made it to -58F
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Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

These wonderful maps are on our site, developed by @RyanMaue and growing every day. Euro cold , far east cold. Nw N amer cold.. US next
[link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Long-Long-range GFS 12z: whenever a 5-day temp anomaly chunk goes below 20°C below average, that means business. [link to twitter.com]
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Ryan Maue‏@RyanMaue

Long-Long-range GFS 12z: whenever a 5-day temp anomaly chunk goes below 20°C below average, that means business. [link to twitter.com]
 Quoting: Luisport


Joe Bastardi‏@BigJoeBastardi

12z euro ensembles have the US join the arctic agenda.Climate change, this time cooler, coming home to roost ( chickens freeze in tracks)
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12/05/2012 03:52 PM
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[link to igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu]

STILL no data being shown, since the end of the month. nearly a week now. wtf are they hiding THIS time?
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[link to makeagif.com]

comparison of sea ice and snow cover 2006 compared to 2012

chilly

look at mid eurasia. getting hammered. I wish they'd let us see what's going on.
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[link to makeagif.com]

comparison of sea ice and snow cover 2006 compared to 2012

chilly

look at mid eurasia. getting hammered. I wish they'd let us see what's going on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20082957


do you see this? [link to twitter.com]
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12/05/2012 04:01 PM
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are you denying climate change luisport?
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are you denying climate change luisport?
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no, but i think it's changing to an ice age... at least it seams too. What do you think?
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are you denying climate change luisport?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6259543


no, but i think it's changing to an ice age... at least it seams too. What do you think?
 Quoting: Luisport


i just questioned because I lurk here alot and you seem pretty straight on economic matters so I would have been surprised if you denied climate change when you seem rational in other matters.

As for the climate I don't think we are headed toward an Ice Age neccesarily. I mean the earth goes through that cycle but we are talking tens of thousands of years. Right now we are dealing with climate change toward warming due to pumping carbon into the atmosphere.

With things like positive feedback loops, the permafrost melting, methane plumes in the ocean and increasingly bad droughts forecast to start any time I don't see how we could be headed for another ice age.

Don't get me wrong we will have worse winters and worse winter storms but that's due to things like the ice cap melts changing the flow of global sea currents effecting things like the jet stream and global weather patterns.

The major problem from all of this isn't the climate itself but the effect it will have on ecosystems, seed germination, crops and arable land. Basically food riots and supply disruptions will be the first major sign.

I don't really see any way out of this at this point, and when someone denies it's happening altogether they need to be educated.
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are you denying climate change luisport?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6259543


no, but i think it's changing to an ice age... at least it seams too. What do you think?
 Quoting: Luisport


i just questioned because I lurk here alot and you seem pretty straight on economic matters so I would have been surprised if you denied climate change when you seem rational in other matters.

As for the climate I don't think we are headed toward an Ice Age neccesarily. I mean the earth goes through that cycle but we are talking tens of thousands of years. Right now we are dealing with climate change toward warming due to pumping carbon into the atmosphere.

With things like positive feedback loops, the permafrost melting, methane plumes in the ocean and increasingly bad droughts forecast to start any time I don't see how we could be headed for another ice age.

Don't get me wrong we will have worse winters and worse winter storms but that's due to things like the ice cap melts changing the flow of global sea currents effecting things like the jet stream and global weather patterns.

The major problem from all of this isn't the climate itself but the effect it will have on ecosystems, seed germination, crops and arable land. Basically food riots and supply disruptions will be the first major sign.

I don't really see any way out of this at this point, and when someone denies it's happening altogether they need to be educated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6259543


I think this discussion is very very interesting and important, because it will help us to understand our planet and the changes we are seeing and pass. We are sensing this changes, but in a very little time frame regarding our planet time frame, so we really don't know where this will lead us! Lets discuss and put data on the table!hf
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[link to www.cru.uea.ac.uk]
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well you finish with me!!! lolsign
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are you denying climate change luisport?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6259543


no, but i think it's changing to an ice age... at least it seams too. What do you think?
 Quoting: Luisport


i just questioned because I lurk here alot and you seem pretty straight on economic matters so I would have been surprised if you denied climate change when you seem rational in other matters.

As for the climate I don't think we are headed toward an Ice Age neccesarily. I mean the earth goes through that cycle but we are talking tens of thousands of years. Right now we are dealing with climate change toward warming due to pumping carbon into the atmosphere.

With things like positive feedback loops, the permafrost melting, methane plumes in the ocean and increasingly bad droughts forecast to start any time I don't see how we could be headed for another ice age.

Don't get me wrong we will have worse winters and worse winter storms but that's due to things like the ice cap melts changing the flow of global sea currents effecting things like the jet stream and global weather patterns.

The major problem from all of this isn't the climate itself but the effect it will have on ecosystems, seed germination, crops and arable land. Basically food riots and supply disruptions will be the first major sign.

I don't really see any way out of this at this point, and when someone denies it's happening altogether they need to be educated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6259543


I think this discussion is very very interesting and important, because it will help us to understand our planet and the changes we are seeing and pass. We are sensing this changes, but in a very little time frame regarding our planet time frame, so we really don't know where this will lead us! Lets discuss and put data on the table!hf
 Quoting: Luisport


while it is true we are only seeing a small moment in the history of the world we are also interacting with the ecosystem in unprecedented ways with unprecedented numbers.

We have reproduced to our current size by destroying all other ecosystems and inhabitants all over the world, and we can measure the impact of the carbon we have put into the atmosphere to do it.

As for data i only have limited links available here.

[link to bravenewclimate.com]

That has a few sources, but the topmost is the projection that the artic will have ice free summers by the end of this decade.

The two things i would recommend learning about are positive feedback loops and oceanic acidification. But i personally think the time for change or stopping this is long past, so at best we are understanding exactly how we are getting shot in the face instead of moving out of the way.

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