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are you denying climate change luisport?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6259543

no, but i think it's changing to an ice age... at least it seams too. What do you think?
 Quoting: Luisport

i just questioned because I lurk here alot and you seem pretty straight on economic matters so I would have been surprised if you denied climate change when you seem rational in other matters.

As for the climate I don't think we are headed toward an Ice Age neccesarily. I mean the earth goes through that cycle but we are talking tens of thousands of years. Right now we are dealing with climate change toward warming due to pumping carbon into the atmosphere.

With things like positive feedback loops, the permafrost melting, methane plumes in the ocean and increasingly bad droughts forecast to start any time I don't see how we could be headed for another ice age.

Don't get me wrong we will have worse winters and worse winter storms but that's due to things like the ice cap melts changing the flow of global sea currents effecting things like the jet stream and global weather patterns.

The major problem from all of this isn't the climate itself but the effect it will have on ecosystems, seed germination, crops and arable land. Basically food riots and supply disruptions will be the first major sign.

I don't really see any way out of this at this point, and when someone denies it's happening altogether they need to be educated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6259543

I think this discussion is very very interesting and important, because it will help us to understand our planet and the changes we are seeing and pass. We are sensing this changes, but in a very little time frame regarding our planet time frame, so we really don't know where this will lead us! Lets discuss and put data on the table!hf
 Quoting: Luisport

while it is true we are only seeing a small moment in the history of the world we are also interacting with the ecosystem in unprecedented ways with unprecedented numbers.

We have reproduced to our current size by destroying all other ecosystems and inhabitants all over the world, and we can measure the impact of the carbon we have put into the atmosphere to do it.

As for data i only have limited links available here.

[link to bravenewclimate.com]

That has a few sources, but the topmost is the projection that the artic will have ice free summers by the end of this decade.

The two things i would recommend learning about are positive feedback loops and oceanic acidification. But i personally think the time for change or stopping this is long past, so at best we are understanding exactly how we are getting shot in the face instead of moving out of the way.
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