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VZ-58 vs AK-47

 
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VZ-58 vs AK-47
having shot both I pronounce VZ-58 to be superior to AK-47 in pretty much every respect

mag availability notwithstanding

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11/26/2012 04:05 PM
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11/26/2012 04:09 PM
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mag availability might be teensy weensy important, no? I go AK-47 all the way based on impeccable 65 year track record
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In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either

They are banned in Canada!

Doesen't my country suck?
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A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE.

GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY.

CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED.

C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS.

I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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11/26/2012 04:29 PM
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Re: VZ-58 vs AK-47
ammo availability?
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11/26/2012 04:33 PM
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ammo availability?
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same ammo 7.62x39
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11/26/2012 04:33 PM
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Re: VZ-58 vs AK-47
VZ has been a fav of Mil contractors and various fighting forces for many many years.

If givin a choice between the 2 90% of pro's would go the VZ and thats a fact.

The VZ is everything the AK is and more.
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7.62/39 plenty to go sround.... same as the ak ammo...


ckpoint wants WHAT 865 bux? .... no thanks ... not accurate enough for that kinda money no way no how!
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mag availability might be teensy weensy important, no? I go AK-47 all the way based on impeccable 65 year track record
 Quoting: s. colt 28084626


how many AK mags can you carry ?
vz mags are half the weight

and you can use stripper clips !
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11/26/2012 04:36 PM
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Re: VZ-58 vs AK-47
VZ 2- 2.5moa or better on average

AK 2 to 7 moa leaning towards 4.5
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11/26/2012 04:37 PM
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Remember the VZ was the only weapon that the russians let there sat countries build, everything else had to be an AK.
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The CZ58 is not banned or restricted in Canada, it is semi auto, mag is pinned for a 5 shot.
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Remember the VZ was the only weapon that the russians let there sat countries build, everything else had to be an AK.
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in America we say "their"
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Great fucking gun.I just noticed a .223 version also a pistol in .223,this looks real nice for an sbr project.They are also making a zytel usgi m-16 mag adaptor.
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11/26/2012 04:57 PM
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In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either

They are banned in Canada!

Doesen't my country suck?
 Quoting: Old MacDonald


You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us...

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]

and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody!

You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR.

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]
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Looks like the OP glossed over a few points; the VZ doesn't break down as easily as the AK, the magazine release isn't as accessible as the AK, the VZ doesn't have the lighter polymer magazines available.

Otherwise, the VZ 58 does seem like a healthy alternative to the AK. But I'd still stick with an AK based on familiarity, parts available, and price-point.
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The VZ does break down just as easy as the AK, Also it's short stroke piston, and the ergo's are far better than the AK.

The VZ is a milled receiver and not stamped and its still lighter.

There is not one point that the AK beats the VZ.

Vz vs M4 is more of a battle.
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Looks like the OP glossed over a few points; the VZ doesn't break down as easily as the AK, the magazine release isn't as accessible as the AK, the VZ doesn't have the lighter polymer magazines available.

Otherwise, the VZ 58 does seem like a healthy alternative to the AK. But I'd still stick with an AK based on familiarity, parts available, and price-point.
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there are at least three different aftermarket mag releases available including enlarged and ambi

as for polymer mags, it's a matter of time and besides you still wouldn't save any weight compared to stock ones
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The VZ does break down just as easy as the AK, Also it's short stroke piston, and the ergo's are far better than the AK.

The VZ is a milled receiver and not stamped and its still lighter.

There is not one point that the AK beats the VZ.

Vz vs M4 is more of a battle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12786780


Did you watch the video? More internal parts with the VZ 58. You're kinda speaking out your Canadian ass...

Also, the VEPR AK is machine milled and hammer-forged (I'm guessing from your country, you're on the stupid end of gun knowledge, especially noting the M4 as a battle rifle - it's not, it's an assault rifle with a 50 year track record of getting our troops killed from being ineffective on the battle front). Also, does the VZ 58 beat on price-point? Because from the CZ website, those were going for $800 each. Does that beat the AK prices? Does the lack of VZ accessories beat the AK as well? Do blanket statements keep you warm up there in Canada?
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mag availability might be teensy weensy important, no? I go AK-47 all the way based on impeccable 65 year track record
 Quoting: s. colt 28084626


generally speaking in a perfect world you might be correct however the proliferation of really crappy built AKs is mindboggling unles you drop over a $K and even than....
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In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either

They are banned in Canada!

Doesen't my country suck?
 Quoting: Old MacDonald


i believe you can purchase semi auto rifles, no?

as long as they're not fully, and under a certain number of bullets in magazine..

i could be very wrong though, but that is my understanding.

boss at work is a collector
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In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either

They are banned in Canada!

Doesen't my country suck?
 Quoting: Old MacDonald


You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us...

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]

and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody!

You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR.

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18097583



ya ur on the ball..

money post right here
Old MacDonald

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11/26/2012 05:28 PM
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In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either

They are banned in Canada!

Doesen't my country suck?
 Quoting: Old MacDonald


You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us...

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]

and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody!

You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR.

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18097583



ya ur on the ball..

money post right here
 Quoting: HMN


5a

1 out of 2 isn't bad!!!

Thanks I thought they were both banned for sure by the Bureaucratic Whores
In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell

Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it.

A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE.

GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY.

CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED.

C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS.

I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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The VZ does break down just as easy as the AK, Also it's short stroke piston, and the ergo's are far better than the AK.

The VZ is a milled receiver and not stamped and its still lighter.

There is not one point that the AK beats the VZ.

Vz vs M4 is more of a battle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12786780


Did you watch the video? More internal parts with the VZ 58. You're kinda speaking out your Canadian ass...

Also, the VEPR AK is machine milled and hammer-forged (I'm guessing from your country, you're on the stupid end of gun knowledge, especially noting the M4 as a battle rifle - it's not, it's an assault rifle with a 50 year track record of getting our troops killed from being ineffective on the battle front). Also, does the VZ 58 beat on price-point? Because from the CZ website, those were going for $800 each. Does that beat the AK prices? Does the lack of VZ accessories beat the AK as well? Do blanket statements keep you warm up there in Canada?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Shows how much this redneck knows.
Must be a AK whore and not a real fighting man, If had of served you would know that top end operators use the VZ. Also alot of contractors cannot get firearms imported due to the US forces regs.

They want VZ's but have to most of the time settle for AK's

By the way have you ever shot a VZ? due you eeven know it's history?
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In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either

They are banned in Canada!

Doesen't my country suck?
 Quoting: Old MacDonald


You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us...

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]

and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody!

You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR.

[link to www.wolverinesupplies.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18097583



ya ur on the ball..

money post right here
 Quoting: HMN


5a

1 out of 2 isn't bad!!!

Thanks I thought they were both banned for sure by the Bureaucratic Whores
 Quoting: Old MacDonald


They might be someday so buy one while the registry is dead and keep it a secret. The only reason it isnt already a prohib is because it technically isnt an AK variant. I guess they must have forgotten about it when they made the ban list, or possibly itès because it is more difficult than an AK to convert to full auto. Nobody really knows their reasoning and none of the laws make any sense anyway so just enjoy it while you can.
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[link to www.gunexpert.cz]
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AK-12 superior to both. No muzzle rise, and uses the same magazines as the ak-47

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The VZ has little muzzle climb also
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if you compare it to the riveted akm variants we see most in the states, the vz is a winner. if you compare it to a milled receiver (real) ak, the ak is at least it's equal. less moving parts, much simpler design, greater spares and accessory availability makes the "real" variant ak the better choice. but i'm an sks fan, so what do i know?

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