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Old MacDonald  User ID: 22787734 Canada11/26/2012 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either They are banned in Canada! Doesen't my country suck? In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it. A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE. GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS. THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY. CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED. C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS. I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18097583 Canada11/26/2012 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either Quoting: Old MacDonald They are banned in Canada! Doesen't my country suck? You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us... [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody! You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR. [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24028110 United States11/26/2012 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like the OP glossed over a few points; the VZ doesn't break down as easily as the AK, the magazine release isn't as accessible as the AK, the VZ doesn't have the lighter polymer magazines available. Otherwise, the VZ 58 does seem like a healthy alternative to the AK. But I'd still stick with an AK based on familiarity, parts available, and price-point. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1405186 United States11/26/2012 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like the OP glossed over a few points; the VZ doesn't break down as easily as the AK, the magazine release isn't as accessible as the AK, the VZ doesn't have the lighter polymer magazines available. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110 Otherwise, the VZ 58 does seem like a healthy alternative to the AK. But I'd still stick with an AK based on familiarity, parts available, and price-point. there are at least three different aftermarket mag releases available including enlarged and ambi as for polymer mags, it's a matter of time and besides you still wouldn't save any weight compared to stock ones |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24028110 United States11/26/2012 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The VZ does break down just as easy as the AK, Also it's short stroke piston, and the ergo's are far better than the AK. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12786780 The VZ is a milled receiver and not stamped and its still lighter. There is not one point that the AK beats the VZ. Vz vs M4 is more of a battle. Did you watch the video? More internal parts with the VZ 58. You're kinda speaking out your Canadian ass... Also, the VEPR AK is machine milled and hammer-forged (I'm guessing from your country, you're on the stupid end of gun knowledge, especially noting the M4 as a battle rifle - it's not, it's an assault rifle with a 50 year track record of getting our troops killed from being ineffective on the battle front). Also, does the VZ 58 beat on price-point? Because from the CZ website, those were going for $800 each. Does that beat the AK prices? Does the lack of VZ accessories beat the AK as well? Do blanket statements keep you warm up there in Canada? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1405186 United States11/26/2012 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | mag availability might be teensy weensy important, no? I go AK-47 all the way based on impeccable 65 year track record Quoting: s. colt 28084626 generally speaking in a perfect world you might be correct however the proliferation of really crappy built AKs is mindboggling unles you drop over a $K and even than.... |
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| HMN User ID: 22427466 Canada11/26/2012 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either Quoting: Old MacDonald They are banned in Canada! Doesen't my country suck? i believe you can purchase semi auto rifles, no? as long as they're not fully, and under a certain number of bullets in magazine.. i could be very wrong though, but that is my understanding. boss at work is a collector |
| HMN User ID: 22427466 Canada11/26/2012 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either Quoting: Old MacDonald They are banned in Canada! Doesen't my country suck? You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us... [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody! You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR. [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] ya ur on the ball.. money post right here |
| Old MacDonald User ID: 22787734 Canada11/26/2012 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either Quoting: Old MacDonald They are banned in Canada! Doesen't my country suck? You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us... [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody! You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR. [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] ya ur on the ball.. money post right here  1 out of 2 isn't bad!!! Thanks I thought they were both banned for sure by the Bureaucratic Whores In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it. A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE. GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS. THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY. CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED. C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS. I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12786780 Canada11/26/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The VZ does break down just as easy as the AK, Also it's short stroke piston, and the ergo's are far better than the AK. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12786780 The VZ is a milled receiver and not stamped and its still lighter. There is not one point that the AK beats the VZ. Vz vs M4 is more of a battle. Did you watch the video? More internal parts with the VZ 58. You're kinda speaking out your Canadian ass... Also, the VEPR AK is machine milled and hammer-forged (I'm guessing from your country, you're on the stupid end of gun knowledge, especially noting the M4 as a battle rifle - it's not, it's an assault rifle with a 50 year track record of getting our troops killed from being ineffective on the battle front). Also, does the VZ 58 beat on price-point? Because from the CZ website, those were going for $800 each. Does that beat the AK prices? Does the lack of VZ accessories beat the AK as well? Do blanket statements keep you warm up there in Canada? Shows how much this redneck knows. Must be a AK whore and not a real fighting man, If had of served you would know that top end operators use the VZ. Also alot of contractors cannot get firearms imported due to the US forces regs. They want VZ's but have to most of the time settle for AK's By the way have you ever shot a VZ? due you eeven know it's history? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18097583 Canada11/26/2012 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In my Cowardly Country I am unable to shoot either Quoting: Old MacDonald They are banned in Canada! Doesen't my country suck? You are incorrect sir! They even make one special for us... [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] and that one is non-restricted!! But dont tell anybody! You might also enjoy.. a $465 M14.. also NR. [link to www.wolverinesupplies.com] ya ur on the ball.. money post right here 1 out of 2 isn't bad!!! Thanks I thought they were both banned for sure by the Bureaucratic Whores They might be someday so buy one while the registry is dead and keep it a secret. The only reason it isnt already a prohib is because it technically isnt an AK variant. I guess they must have forgotten about it when they made the ban list, or possibly itès because it is more difficult than an AK to convert to full auto. Nobody really knows their reasoning and none of the laws make any sense anyway so just enjoy it while you can. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28147705 United States11/26/2012 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if you compare it to the riveted akm variants we see most in the states, the vz is a winner. if you compare it to a milled receiver (real) ak, the ak is at least it's equal. less moving parts, much simpler design, greater spares and accessory availability makes the "real" variant ak the better choice. but i'm an sks fan, so what do i know? |
