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| mathetes User ID: 18119575 11/26/2012 04:52 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is something I'm not entirely sure Brussels has prepared itself for.. Quoting: The Tauremini Link [link to www.digitaljournal.com] The coalition of the radical left, SYRIZA, now tops the polls with ultra-nationalist party Golden Dawn polling third. The party which has garnered the highest percentage of increased support is Golden Dawn (Chrysi Avgi) which now polls 13.5 percent compared to 7 percent in June. The ruling party has fallen sharply while Golden Dawn has surged of 6 percent in less than 5 months. You do the math. Greeks are pissed off with the current state of affairs, clearly. Great info! Sadly, it seems like history is repeating itself For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28069791 11/26/2012 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem is, they don't need to don jackboots and wear swastikas. Their identity as Nazis is in their policies, speeches and actions. They "walk their talk" which is why Greeks are turning to them in large numbers. These folks aren't ordinary politicians. They mean what they say and make no apologies about getting shit done. It's dangerous, but it looks like they're getting more support. On a worrying side-note, Greece actually devotes more of its GDP towards military buildup than any other nation in Europe. Mix that with the possible near-future of Golden Dawn and you have a situation very similar to that of Europe in the 1930s. Remember after Germany went bankrupt and the Nazis surged in the polls there Hitler left the "League of Nations" and other nations started to follow his example by electing Fascist governments and exercising protectionism and beginning military buildups. Of course it goes further back than this, but the election of the Nazis in Germany was the final f**k you to the European/global establishment. So yes, in that sense history is repeating itself right now. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28069791 11/26/2012 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just found this Far-right Golden Dawn has caused fresh controversy after a gathering of its supporters on Crete on Sunday saw one of the party’s MPs unfurl the flag of the 1967-74 military dictatorship and another threaten to kill anti-fascist protesters. Neofasict deputy Christos Pappas opened up the flag, bearing a phoenix and a soldier, used by the junta before his speech, to rounds of applause from the party’s supporters. Link [link to www.ekathimerini.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28526859 11/26/2012 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem is, they don't need to don jackboots and wear swastikas. Their identity as Nazis is in their policies, speeches and actions. They "walk their talk" which is why Greeks are turning to them in large numbers. These folks aren't ordinary politicians. They mean what they say and make no apologies about getting shit done. Quoting: The Tauremini It's dangerous, but it looks like they're getting more support. On a worrying side-note, Greece actually devotes more of its GDP towards military buildup than any other nation in Europe. Mix that with the possible near-future of Golden Dawn and you have a situation very similar to that of Europe in the 1930s. Remember after Germany went bankrupt and the Nazis surged in the polls there Hitler left the "League of Nations" and other nations started to follow his example by electing Fascist governments and exercising protectionism and beginning military buildups. Of course it goes further back than this, but the election of the Nazis in Germany was the final f**k you to the European/global establishment. So yes, in that sense history is repeating itself right now. Well, we are not in place to conquer Europe [link to www.globalfirepower.com] so there is no reason for creating fear that Greece will become an assaulting country. Moreover, we only have arms better suited for defense. |
| insertfunnyusername User ID: 28110335 11/26/2012 05:12 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem is, they don't need to don jackboots and wear swastikas. Their identity as Nazis is in their policies, speeches and actions. They "walk their talk" which is why Greeks are turning to them in large numbers. These folks aren't ordinary politicians. They mean what they say and make no apologies about getting shit done. Quoting: The Tauremini It's dangerous, but it looks like they're getting more support. On a worrying side-note, Greece actually devotes more of its GDP towards military buildup than any other nation in Europe. Mix that with the possible near-future of Golden Dawn and you have a situation very similar to that of Europe in the 1930s. Remember after Germany went bankrupt and the Nazis surged in the polls there Hitler left the "League of Nations" and other nations started to follow his example by electing Fascist governments and exercising protectionism and beginning military buildups. Of course it goes further back than this, but the election of the Nazis in Germany was the final f**k you to the European/global establishment. So yes, in that sense history is repeating itself right now. Highly incomparable situations with Germany OP. Even if GD takes a 25% in the next elections they will still need other parties to form a govt and honestly i can't see them getting the 40% that is needed, bottom line they can't govern this country, no one is cooperating with them. But if they and Syriza can increase their members in the parliament, then anti-bailout forces win and eurozone no more. As for military, it's for defense, Europe's frontline you know. Last Edited by insertfunnyusername on 11/26/2012 05:13 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28526859 11/26/2012 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just found this Quoting: The Tauremini Far-right Golden Dawn has caused fresh controversy after a gathering of its supporters on Crete on Sunday saw one of the party’s MPs unfurl the flag of the 1967-74 military dictatorship and another threaten to kill anti-fascist protesters. Neofasict deputy Christos Pappas opened up the flag, bearing a phoenix and a soldier, used by the junta before his speech, to rounds of applause from the party’s supporters. Link [link to www.ekathimerini.com] The "anti-fascists" are not better than GD. They are armed and they are interconnected with terrorist groups that in the past have killed many people and not to mention their ties with ultra-nationalists of neighboring countries. Actually many "anti-fascists" are of albanian or turkish origin. |
| insertfunnyusername User ID: 28110335 11/26/2012 05:19 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, we are not in place to conquer Europe Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28526859 [link to www.globalfirepower.com] so there is no reason for creating fear that Greece will become an assaulting country. Moreover, we only have arms better suited for defense. Actually globalfrpwr underestimates Greece greatly imo, coz we don't produce oil and face economic problems. In reality we have the biggest air-force and land army in Europe bar Russia. But for sure we are in no place to conquer anyone, pure defense and some extra military contracts for the corrupt political elite. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28069791 11/26/2012 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course Greece isn't an assaulting country. It's the trend of GDP-to-military expenditure mixed with the political trend of Golden Dawn's poll surge that is worrying. In other words, it's a case of national-political mindset. It's very clear to see what's happening to Europe at the moment. Germany is dominating economic policy. The PIIGS nations are swinging to the right and the rest are sitting by watching with a sense of foreboding. The promising part of all this is that the f**ked up status-quo is falling apart and creating an entirely new (albeit unpredictable) canvas for Europe. |
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| insertfunnyusername User ID: 28110335 11/26/2012 05:25 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course Greece isn't an assaulting country. It's the trend of GDP-to-military expenditure mixed with the political trend of Golden Dawn's poll surge that is worrying. Quoting: The Tauremini In other words, it's a case of national-political mindset. It's very clear to see what's happening to Europe at the moment. Germany is dominating economic policy. The PIIGS nations are swinging to the right and the rest are sitting by watching with a sense of foreboding. The promising part of all this is that the f**ked up status-quo is falling apart and creating an entirely new (albeit unpredictable) canvas for Europe. GDP-to-military expenditure is half and less of what we were spending as a country 5-10 years ago. Actually 130 BN of the total of 300 BN of Greek debt was spent in military equipment, but we spend shit in weapons with austerity now, we are full anyways, can't see the the correlation with GD though. Turkish parliament has declared a casus belli on us for 20+ years now and that's not counting our previous history, pure defense. Last Edited by insertfunnyusername on 11/26/2012 05:27 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28526859 11/26/2012 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I doubt they will ever rule the country. If TPTB can rig the elections in the US I'm sure they can do it in Greece. Quoting: my 2 cents They have already a plan. SYRIZA will come in power and will fuck big time (they are just like the socialist party - PASOK - promising money that they don't have and jobs that they cannot create, after all they are extreme left) and after that surprise-surprise ... a civil war! They have already leaked this through a think tank in the US and many newspapers have covered the thing. Now, a few days ago, a politician of a small political party leaked that the Greek government had made a contract with Blackwater for police services starting in 2013. They have closed almost all of the Police academies and they've made them into "residences" for the illegal immigrants but in the future they are going to be used for native people too. It's not random that Soros is going to sponsor the creation of "residences" for both illegal immigrants and native people. I mean WTF has Soros to do with Greece? |
| Old MacDonald Let's Go Buff-a-lo !!!! User ID: 22787734 11/26/2012 05:29 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good they need to Leave the tyrannical EU by whatever means necassary BOB! Bitches "Socialism always Results in the Death of a Society as well as it's People" - Me "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" - Winston Churchill. What Part of "Shall Not be Infringed" Don't People Inside or Outside the U.S. Understand??? "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State." -- Heinrich Himmler Sixty years later not much has changed. "I came to Ottawa with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." --Allan Rock (Liberal SCUMBAG) |
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| insertfunnyusername User ID: 28110335 11/26/2012 05:52 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Multi-culti western MSM agenda regarding GD is hypocritical to say the least, i'm far from a fan of GD, their actions are disgusting and condemnable, but wtf is this coverage all about when not one single immigrant has died on their hands? 40 Greeks mostly elderly have died since the start of the year here by illegals at the same time though and that's not counting the other criminal activities, didn't see any MSM reporting that 1 Greek per week dies for no reason whatoever here, sounds important to me, don't ya all think that it should be reported? Austrian far-right party got 18% in their elections, don't see similar MSM reaction there since it's the birthplace of Adolf btw. What about the neo-nazi spree in Germany that has actually killed people and attacks immigrants constantly everyday? Nope, you hear nothing about this shit either, it's all great in Germany, typical western hypocrisy. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28069791 11/26/2012 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Multi-culti western MSM agenda regarding GD is hypocritical to say the least, i'm far from a fan of GD, their actions are disgusting and condemnable, but wtf is this coverage all about when not one single immigrant has died on their hands? 40 Greeks mostly elderly have died since the start of the year here by illegals at the same time though and that's not counting the other criminal activities, didn't see any MSM reporting that 1 Greek per week dies for no reason whatoever here, sounds important to me, don't ya all think that it should be reported? Quoting: insertfunnyusername Austrian far-right party got 18% in their elections, don't see similar MSM reaction there since it's the birthplace of Adolf btw. What about the neo-nazi spree in Germany that has actually killed people and attacks immigrants constantly everyday? Nope, you hear nothing about this shit either, it's all great in Germany, typical western hypocrisy. As a Journalist myself I find that the MSM takes an extremely careful line when it comes to reporting the resurgence of far-right parties. The more reporting is given to these parties, the more attention they get from the public - and people/voters tend to do their research (in highly educated societies anyway), so when people feel that far-right political parties like that have merit, they tend to vote for them when times are tough and no other politicians appear to be delivering on their promises. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28069791 11/26/2012 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For example, if there is another massive financial collapse in America and millions lose their jobs, do you think that most Americans would throw their support behind Obama? And if the Tea Party finally comes out of the woodwork and creates a charter and formal party, how many Americans do you think will vote for them? At a guess I would say they would probably win an election. |
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| insertfunnyusername User ID: 28110335 11/26/2012 06:03 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Multi-culti western MSM agenda regarding GD is hypocritical to say the least, i'm far from a fan of GD, their actions are disgusting and condemnable, but wtf is this coverage all about when not one single immigrant has died on their hands? 40 Greeks mostly elderly have died since the start of the year here by illegals at the same time though and that's not counting the other criminal activities, didn't see any MSM reporting that 1 Greek per week dies for no reason whatoever here, sounds important to me, don't ya all think that it should be reported? Quoting: insertfunnyusername Austrian far-right party got 18% in their elections, don't see similar MSM reaction there since it's the birthplace of Adolf btw. What about the neo-nazi spree in Germany that has actually killed people and attacks immigrants constantly everyday? Nope, you hear nothing about this shit either, it's all great in Germany, typical western hypocrisy. As a Journalist myself I find that the MSM takes an extremely careful line when it comes to reporting the resurgence of far-right parties. The more reporting is given to these parties, the more attention they get from the public - and people/voters tend to do their research (in highly educated societies anyway), so when people feel that far-right political parties like that have merit, they tend to vote for them when times are tough and no other politicians appear to be delivering on their promises. Didn't know you were a journalist. Great job, hope you're having fun. I don't see this careful line with GD though, do you? They are all over the place, even freaking rooters was fearmongering last week that GD will take 30% in the next elections, wtf? They are promoting them and the constant fearmongering big time, some think we are turning to fascists or something, when in reality they have been voted by 400 thousand people. |
| Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 11/26/2012 06:08 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is something I'm not entirely sure Brussels has prepared itself for.. Quoting: The Tauremini Link [link to www.digitaljournal.com] The coalition of the radical left, SYRIZA, now tops the polls with ultra-nationalist party Golden Dawn polling third. The party which has garnered the highest percentage of increased support is Golden Dawn (Chrysi Avgi) which now polls 13.5 percent compared to 7 percent in June. The ruling party has fallen sharply while Golden Dawn has surged of 6 percent in less than 5 months. You do the math. Greeks are pissed off with the current state of affairs, clearly. As history has shown.....out of the collapse of a society rises Totalitarian rule. Those who fail to heed history are doomed to repeat it. ![]() |
| AlcoholicRunner I run and drink at the same time. User ID: 23182389 11/26/2012 06:21 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For example, if there is another massive financial collapse in America and millions lose their jobs, do you think that most Americans would throw their support behind Obama? Quoting: The Tauremini And if the Tea Party finally comes out of the woodwork and creates a charter and formal party, how many Americans do you think will vote for them? At a guess I would say they would probably win an election. Left wing media is lying over everything about Tea Party. It's often the opposite of what you hear from faux liberal media. Fuck libtards. |
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