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I dont like obama at all but this but its not exactly something that will effect you or me I suggest reading it. now follow this link this is one that would effect us.

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You illiterate fuck--the word is "affect," not "effect." And you've been drinking 'way too much Kool-Aid. Nobody's going after your guns.
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
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Yea well I have shot many types of weapons in the Army and you are an idiot. The 2nd amendment is to protect us citizens from the government. THAT is the reason for its existence. Get a clue.
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I'm European but the Gunban is something bad for you americans, considering that your government is FUCKED UP, you will need your guns to throw them over when TSHTF.

WIthout guns you're fucked.
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Well said. Al;ways refreshing to see that there are still a few Euro's with a lick of common sense.
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You're welcome mate. Stick to your guns. You will need them. Fuck Obama and fuck the Federal Government and the traitors!!
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Never gonna happen guys. Relax...
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I think people fail to realize that perhaps tptb WANT a confrontation now that they have so many nifty new toys to kill with...

so the screws are only likely to get increasingly tightened...

UN ancient word for "satan"...

:)
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


hf

You are pretty accurate in your thoughts there :D
And it is true, most semi auto and full auto weapons and very powerful.

But I think that any step towards disarming the american public is a bad idea, it will go from push to shove if you know what I mean. Hitler did the same thing.
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the gun is archaic next to the modern weapons... so what better way to get people to rise up and slaughtered?

they will melt resisters to the ground... like the 911 towers... dustified....

not for gun control, just not big believer it matters anymore...

what matters is Jesus Christ...

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Thread: John Lear is wrong about Christ (much as I like him) :)
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Me and 10 of my poker buddies have banned kitchen knives. It has their approval and I signed it.

tough shit, rant on.
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“All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.”

Arthur Schopenhauer


We are F!

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I hear they are going to ban popcorn next.
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Guns are not the threat to public safety.

The GOVERNMENT is.

The presumption of being above the rule of law is.

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If it's true, it will hopefully mean less bullets inside less people. American views on liberty as they are though, I'm not sure if this ban is the right way to do it.
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“Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command: for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787
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One world government is probably inevitable.

The problem is, the way they are doing it. It already looks non representative; dictatorship of the wealthy and their henchmen over the poor and disempowered; So I say, what's the difference?

We still wont have any say; we get no vote or representation, there is no empathy or connection to the lower tiers of the population; it is a self imposed illegitimate ordainment of the banking elite to rule the world.

Every law now has a self serving corporate interest behind it; It is the delegitimization of the law; because laws made now are created by non representative bodies of government. The people have no say in the mandates of the UN; even the legislation of the US. Leaders are chosen by the elite; and in the case of the UN, we dont even get the ILLUSION of choice.


Nothing new. It could have been so much more; a real thing; a real entity with a real vision; but the appearance is that it is unilateral dictatorship for the elite. Same old tactics; same methodologies. They didnt even bother to propagandize it; didnt bother to procure mid/lower tier 'buy in'; they have isolated everyone in the general population with their agenda they think is hidden but is clear to see by the world.

Not bothering with the formalities means they wont have assimilation. Meaning, "mandates" such as this will be met with cognitive resistance and open sarcasm.

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Everyone, we need you to write your senators! Do it now. Tell them that this UN bullshit is unconstitutional.

[link to www.senate.gov]

This an easy way to let them know what you think. Please write them. If you don't tell them, they have no way to know what you think.
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Everyone, we need you to write your senators! Do it now. Tell them that this UN bullshit is unconstitutional.

[link to www.senate.gov]

This an easy way to let them know what you think. Please write them. If you don't tell them, they have no way to know what you think.
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+ Karma to you sir
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


Yea well I have shot many types of weapons in the Army and you are an idiot. The 2nd amendment is to protect us citizens from the government. THAT is the reason for its existence. Get a clue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24090746




Turns out our "Marine" is a woman. That answers a lot of questions, as far as I'm concerned.

The founding fathers were very apprehensive about women voting or holding high public office. For the exact same reason our "Marine" exhibits a nauseating lack of logic.

Women vote emotionally, rather than logically.

And like all fools, this emotional wreck believes that all the people who have (in unison) rebuked her are the "problem", and not herself.

It's a classic case of not being able to ever expect an idiot to ADMIT (or even recognize) that they are, indeed, an idiot. In fact, idiots always think of themselves as "brilliant", and everybody ELSE is wrong.

Our "Marine" is a textbook example.
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


hf

You are pretty accurate in your thoughts there :D
And it is true, most semi auto and full auto weapons and very powerful.

But I think that any step towards disarming the american public is a bad idea, it will go from push to shove if you know what I mean. Hitler did the same thing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1779676


They are attempting to use force instead of assimilation. Many other historical examples show that when a body of government attempts to disarm the public, it is reflective of illegitimacy and bad faith; i.e.

Oda Nobanaga disarmed the public after unifying Japan by confiscating swords. His primary concern, as should be the UN's, was 'legitimacy'.

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the gun is archaic next to the modern weapons... so what better way to get people to rise up and slaughtered?

they will melt resisters to the ground... like the 911 towers... dustified....

not for gun control, just not big believer it matters anymore...

what matters is Jesus Christ...

:)

Thread: John Lear is wrong about Christ (much as I like him) :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22070412


So... According to you "logic", people should give in and cooperate with tyranny, and make themselves even MORE helpless against the Beast?

Read your bible. Jesus instructed His disciples to purchase swords. Not to protect HIM, but to protect their OWN lives.

And the old testament has many examples of where God instructed His people to forge weapons, and to go to battle, in the name of righteousness.

I, for one, would never use a weapon OFFENSIVELY. But I will damn sure defend myself, and anyone I care about. Any man who refuses to take care of His own (including their safety and future) is worse than an infidel.
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


You sir are a complete ass and an embarrassment to the veteran community. I want you to explain to me how my civilian M4, which is kept in my safe and has hurt exactly ZERO people is in anyway the same M4 I carried in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or the difference between a stock Remington 870 and my "tactical" one as far as lethality?

You are just like Feinstein....you look at a firearm, and based solely on its appearance, judge it without even acknowledging the differences. Many of the "assault weapons" in the 1993 AWB were in no way, shape, or form assault weapons. The douche bage politicians merely took out a gun catalog and added them to the list because they were black, or "looked menacing".

Lets not even get into the weeds on the F.A.C.T. that "assault weapons" are used in .20% (less than 1/4 of 1%) of violent crimes in America, and would be used by the same asshats regardless of the civilians ability to own one (think criminals).

You may have forgotten your oath of enlistment....but I havent, and will honor it to the day I die. If it was ok for me to carry weapons of war all over this globe for 25 years, doing the politicians bidding....then it is ok for me to have now to protect my family from tyranny.

In closing...how does Schumer's dick taste there buddy?
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Black Friday Gun Sales Hit New Record High
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If it's true, it will hopefully mean less bullets inside less people. American views on liberty as they are though, I'm not sure if this ban is the right way to do it.
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You sir obviously are oblivious to the facts. Chicago...Number one in gun control in the States....and number one in violent crime.

My neighborhood with freer gun restrictions...nearly zero violent crime.

An armed society is a polite society.
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Black Friday Gun Sales Hit New Record High
Drudge has link...
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George Bush did more for Islam than any other historical leader. He probably single handedly ushered in the dominance of the Islamic faith today... why? Open illegitimacy; open deception, clear hidden agenda's in plain site of the population.

Expect gun sales to be negatively correlated to UN mandates opposing guns. The more attempts to ban, the more people will hoard guns.
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


Yea well I have shot many types of weapons in the Army and you are an idiot. The 2nd amendment is to protect us citizens from the government. THAT is the reason for its existence. Get a clue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24090746




Turns out our "Marine" is a woman. That answers a lot of questions, as far as I'm concerned.

The founding fathers were very apprehensive about women voting or holding high public office. For the exact same reason our "Marine" exhibits a nauseating lack of logic.

Women vote emotionally, rather than logically.

And like all fools, this emotional wreck believes that all the people who have (in unison) rebuked her are the "problem", and not herself.

It's a classic case of not being able to ever expect an idiot to ADMIT (or even recognize) that they are, indeed, an idiot. In fact, idiots always think of themselves as "brilliant", and everybody ELSE is wrong.

Our "Marine" is a textbook example.
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If true, then it does explain a lot. I would also point out, and this is a generalization...that her name is most likely on that board merely because she is a woman. Military has gotten really crazy the past couple years with lowering standards to make people "look" good and to be all inclusive. Bet she never had to hump that thing for 20 km with a combat load.

So glad I retired.
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What about the guys that actually have to do the dirty work?

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My biggest issue with this whole thing is the non-Grandfathering clause. That means they will come and try to take what you already own and bought legally. THAT'S where they are going to run into MAJOR problems. The assault weapons ban didn't come under much opposition because there was no such clause.
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My biggest issue with this whole thing is the non-Grandfathering clause. That means they will come and try to take what you already own and bought legally. THAT'S where they are going to run into MAJOR problems. The assault weapons ban didn't come under much opposition because there was no such clause.
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Of course it wont be "them"... it will be US... our people... OUR lives in harms way. Divide and conquer. Something for enforcement to think about; the direction this is going.

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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


You sir are a complete ass and an embarrassment to the veteran community. I want you to explain to me how my civilian M4, which is kept in my safe and has hurt exactly ZERO people is in anyway the same M4 I carried in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or the difference between a stock Remington 870 and my "tactical" one as far as lethality?

You are just like Feinstein....you look at a firearm, and based solely on its appearance, judge it without even acknowledging the differences. Many of the "assault weapons" in the 1993 AWB were in no way, shape, or form assault weapons. The douche bage politicians merely took out a gun catalog and added them to the list because they were black, or "looked menacing".

Lets not even get into the weeds on the F.A.C.T. that "assault weapons" are used in .20% (less than 1/4 of 1%) of violent crimes in America, and would be used by the same asshats regardless of the civilians ability to own one (think criminals).

You may have forgotten your oath of enlistment....but I havent, and will honor it to the day I die. If it was ok for me to carry weapons of war all over this globe for 25 years, doing the politicians bidding....then it is ok for me to have now to protect my family from tyranny.

In closing...how does Schumer's dick taste there buddy?
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Now THIS is a veteran that deserves respect, unlike the fool that he was responding to.
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I assure you. If your guns were to be confiscated, your gold would be next.
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As a matter of fact, no guns means lower rates!!

Number of Gun Homicides
ChartIn the United States, annual firearm homicides total

2009: 9,1467
2008: 9,48410 7
2007: 10,129
2006: 10,225
2005: 10,158
2004: 9,385
2003: 9,6597
2002: 9,36911
2001: 8,890
1999: 8,2596
1998: 9,257

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
ChartIn the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2009: 2.985 7
2008: 3.12
2007: 3.36
2006: 3.42
2005: 3.43
2004: 3.20
2003: 3.37
2002: 3.2511
2001: 3.12
1999: 2.976
1998: 3.37
1993: 7.0712

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
ChartIn Italy, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

2008: 0.4112
2007: 0.45
2006: 0.75 12
2005: 0.75
2004: 0.8
2003: 0.85 12
2002: 0.7
2001: 0.8
2000: 0.9
1999: 1.0
1998: 1.1
1997: 0.8112
1996: 0.96
1992: 1.6613

Number of Gun Homicides
ChartIn Italy, annual firearm homicides total

2008: 24612
2007: 269
2006: 4175 12
2005: 4045
2004: 478
2003: 4745 12
2002: 423
2001: 466
2000: 531
1999: 574
1998: 623
1997: 46312
1996: 548




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and.. how many of those were government initiated?

Last Edited by Intergalactic Diplomat on 11/27/2012 09:23 AM

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