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Gun BAN APPROVED by UN & Signed by Obama

 
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My biggest issue with this whole thing is the non-Grandfathering clause. That means they will come and try to take what you already own and bought legally. THAT'S where they are going to run into MAJOR problems. The assault weapons ban didn't come under much opposition because there was no such clause.
 Quoting: <<FOCUS>> 660580


Of course it wont be "them"... it will be US... our people... OUR lives in harms way. Divide and conquer. Something for enforcement to think about; the direction this is going.

The only way I see this happening is the use of foreign troops on american soil; with UN patches. Then, there will division amongst enforcement; they should see this already.

This law is unenforceable, because enforcement must surrender their weapons as well, inevitably. Don't really see that happening.
 Quoting: Dr.DoomLittle


Send those assholes in their blue helmets to my door. I'll show them what real Americans think about the UN and their fucking treaty.
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the gun is archaic next to the modern weapons... so what better way to get people to rise up and slaughtered?


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That wont happen. They wont be slaghtering anybody; they need the psychological fear of it though.
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Legal. I love that term. You bought your guns legally. You did the wait. You filled out the forms, took the safety course, whatever. You did every thing by the book and you own several firearms. Your name is now on a list. If you bought ANY gun within the past 30 years or so, your name is on a list.

Now lets follow this through to it's logical conclusion. Say there is a communist takeover. The first thing they will do is come for the guns. Failing that, they will come for the people.

It's 3:00am and you get a knock on your door. Hello Mr. (insert your name here). We hate to bother you, but your name is on our list. Seems you bought such and such weapons back in 1990. Where are they?

You say, Um...I sold em.

If you can't produce said weapons, you will just get marched off to a trench. Probably your family too. And the hundreds of others that 'lost or sold' their weapons.

For those of you who think it can't happen, I suggest you read a history book on communists and how they operate.
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if true, fuck that!!! then only the bad guys and law enforcement can have them. wtf??? doomsol
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The UN is irrelevant. If Obama did sign a treaty then he should be tried for treason.
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Legal. I love that term. You bought your guns legally. You did the wait. You filled out the forms, took the safety course, whatever. You did every thing by the book and you own several firearms. Your name is now on a list. If you bought ANY gun within the past 30 years or so, your name is on a list.

Now lets follow this through to it's logical conclusion. Say there is a communist takeover. The first thing they will do is come for the guns. Failing that, they will come for the people.

It's 3:00am and you get a knock on your door. Hello Mr. (insert your name here). We hate to bother you, but your name is on our list. Seems you bought such and such weapons back in 1990. Where are they?

You say, Um...I sold em.

If you can't produce said weapons, you will just get marched off to a trench. Probably your family too. And the hundreds of others that 'lost or sold' their weapons.

For those of you who think it can't happen, I suggest you read a history book on communists and how they operate.
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This doesnt behoove them.

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Legal. I love that term. You bought your guns legally. You did the wait. You filled out the forms, took the safety course, whatever. You did every thing by the book and you own several firearms. Your name is now on a list. If you bought ANY gun within the past 30 years or so, your name is on a list.

Now lets follow this through to it's logical conclusion. Say there is a communist takeover. The first thing they will do is come for the guns. Failing that, they will come for the people.

It's 3:00am and you get a knock on your door. Hello Mr. (insert your name here). We hate to bother you, but your name is on our list. Seems you bought such and such weapons back in 1990. Where are they?

You say, Um...I sold em.

If you can't produce said weapons, you will just get marched off to a trench. Probably your family too. And the hundreds of others that 'lost or sold' their weapons.

For those of you who think it can't happen, I suggest you read a history book on communists and how they operate.
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Dont be scared, we will win this.
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if true, fuck that!!! then only the bad guys and law enforcement can have them. wtf??? doomsol
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Law enforcement lose theirs the minute the badge comes off; voluntarily or not. That means, subject to the whims of dictatorship, you can be armed.
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it won't be this overt.

They are doing it through the brainwashing of our children and college students.

Those are the population who will not own guns or gladly give them up to the 'protection' of their god and savior the government.

We have a few generations of idiots, thank you public schools.
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bsflag

That UN meeting was from sept 2.
Congress is powerless as a governing body of ELECTED officials against APPOINTED officials. This has to change NOW.
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Legal. I love that term. You bought your guns legally. You did the wait. You filled out the forms, took the safety course, whatever. You did every thing by the book and you own several firearms. Your name is now on a list. If you bought ANY gun within the past 30 years or so, your name is on a list.

Now lets follow this through to it's logical conclusion. Say there is a communist takeover. The first thing they will do is come for the guns. Failing that, they will come for the people.

It's 3:00am and you get a knock on your door. Hello Mr. (insert your name here). We hate to bother you, but your name is on our list. Seems you bought such and such weapons back in 1990. Where are they?

You say, Um...I sold em.

If you can't produce said weapons, you will just get marched off to a trench. Probably your family too. And the hundreds of others that 'lost or sold' their weapons.

For those of you who think it can't happen, I suggest you read a history book on communists and how they operate.
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This is why every American should have THIS as required reading:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn (Gulag Archipelago)



This book should be required reading in ALL public schools. But, since the schools and colleges are all full of communists and Marxists, masquerading under the name of "liberals" and "Progressives", a book like this (that tells the truth about communism) would NEVER be allowed.
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it won't be this overt.

They are doing it through the brainwashing of our children and college students.

Those are the population who will not own guns or gladly give them up to the 'protection' of their god and savior the government.

We have a few generations of idiots, thank you public schools.
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That is correct, i think. This is a long term goal; it could be purist; it could be right to have no more weapons; but the clear corruption and hidden agenda's dillute and render illegitimate any good that could come of it.

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it won't be this overt.

They are doing it through the brainwashing of our children and college students.

Those are the population who will not own guns or gladly give them up to the 'protection' of their god and savior the government.

We have a few generations of idiots, thank you public schools.
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Legal. I love that term. You bought your guns legally. You did the wait. You filled out the forms, took the safety course, whatever. You did every thing by the book and you own several firearms. Your name is now on a list. If you bought ANY gun within the past 30 years or so, your name is on a list.

Now lets follow this through to it's logical conclusion. Say there is a communist takeover. The first thing they will do is come for the guns. Failing that, they will come for the people.

It's 3:00am and you get a knock on your door. Hello Mr. (insert your name here). We hate to bother you, but your name is on our list. Seems you bought such and such weapons back in 1990. Where are they?

You say, Um...I sold em.

If you can't produce said weapons, you will just get marched off to a trench. Probably your family too. And the hundreds of others that 'lost or sold' their weapons.

For those of you who think it can't happen, I suggest you read a history book on communists and how they operate.
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It was a horrific boating accident that I had... tipped the freaking canoe over and lost ALL OF MY WEAPONS. Tragic loss of some really fine pieces. All I have left is a lot of memories...

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it means they're going to come and take what you legally purchased.
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They can sure try, I suppose... it doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do though.
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Marine,

They're not called clips. There's no such thing as a CLIP you wannabe Leatherneck. They're called Magazines!
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Duh, I'm not talking to Marines...seems like I'm talking to a bunch of ID10t's. Clips are for handguns...magazines are for rifles. Wannabe Leatherneck, huh? If you'd like I could fax you my DD214. I don't have to prove shit to you anyway, the bad thing about this is that I served for you, and you're being a complete dick. Do you expect me to still call my sneakers "tenny runners" or my hat a "cover" or tell people that I need to "hit the head". I'm am a proud Gulf War Era Veteran and you need to "Lock it up!"
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How did you serve me? More likely, you did what you did for yourself.

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ugly can be covered, fat can be lost but there is just no fix for stupid
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The UN committee report you have linked says NO SUCH THING: it simply deals with the "illicit" (illegal) trade or export of weapons...it's not a "ban" on anything...you might want to read your own links before you "fly of the handle" and commit cyber FRAUD...oh, here's you a little gift: :bsflag: AND SALUTE !
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At a Congressional budget meeting in September of this year, Feinstein alluded to her desire to reintroduce federal assault weapons ban regulations similar to those she helped cosponsor and pass in 1994 during the Presidency of Bill Clinton:

“Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to say, once again, in legislation, weapons of war do not belong on our streets…”
September 5, 2012

You first bitches!!!!!


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Based upon the number and substance of the prior responses; it appears that the vast majority of people posting did not read the UN link either....just a truck load of bsflag
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


A real Marine would never call a MAGAZINE that you load into a handgun, a CLIP.

Nice BS story about being on a M60 plaque.
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If anything; GLP certainly confirms the proposition that most people just take any old fool at their word....5a
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


BS, and you want to know why your lying? Handguns don't use clips stupid fuck. They use magazines.
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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


A real Marine would never call a MAGAZINE that you load into a handgun, a CLIP.

Nice BS story about being on a M60 plaque.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067


A little education for some people on "clips" vs. "magazines":

[link to www.minutemanreview.com]
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This article explains how guns will be taken away from citizens.

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The UN is irrelevant. If Obama did sign a treaty then he should be tried for treason.
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The UN empowerment could be a good a thing; if representative of the population.

It will be difficult to please everyone.
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So when will the Edict er I mean Executive Order be issued saying you have X number of days to turn your shit it ?
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Executive Order's do no have the force of law! No citizen is obligated to obey an Executive Order! Executive Order's were "originally" intended to direct the Bureacracy in their actions, regulations, etc, BUT NO CITIZEN HAS TO OBEY AN EXECUTIVE ORDER! YOU CANNOT BE ARRESTED, JAILED, FINED or IMPRISONED FOR DISOBEYING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER...it is NOT a LAW!!!
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IF he did sign the U.N. Small Arms Treaty (which I believe they have only signed on as a participator in negotiations), it still has to be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate to become effective within the borders of the United States!!!
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Guy is a FUDD only worse as former military.

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FUDD

The slang term for gun owners of what could be called limited tastes. They are thought of as being casual gun owners and not true supporters of the Second Amendment. These are the guys that Diane Feinstein is talking about when she talks about acceptable gun ownership.

Two characteristics normally identify a FUDD.

#1: Very limited range of shooting interests. A FUDD could have just 1 gun, or more than 153 guns, but all those guns fall within a very limited range of interests. The interest that defines a FUDD is "sporting purposes". All their 12 ga wood and blued steel shotguns, bolt action rifles, 44 magnum revolvers, and 9mm pistols only have one purpose: sport. These guns are either for hunting, or they are for marksmanship and trap competitions. Nothing they have is supposed to take the role of a dedicated defense gun, or a daily carry gun.
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Is this from ELmer Fudd as in "I'm gonna shoot me a wabbit!"?
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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1. This is OP's interpretation of the speech.
2. Are govt. agencies gonna go door to door and confiscate these weapons?
3. If these weapons were bought legally, but are now deemed illegal, is the govt. going to reimburse citizens for the cost of the weapon if it is confiscated?
4. Does the govt. expect it's citizens to bring knives to a gunfight?
5. A ban on these weapons is just not going to work out well.


My final point: The second amendment was written during a time when guns were a pain in the ass to load and fire...so maybe our founding Father's would agree to a ban on semi's and fully automatic weapons.

Yes, I own weapons...I've shot every weapon the USMC has in it's arsenal...even got my name on a plaque on the M60 range in 29 palms. I don't believe that I'd need and M60 to protect my family however. Some of the weapons that are legal now are a bit overkill-so I'd agree to a ban on those.

I don't agree to a ban on handguns with clips, six shooters, or bolt action rifles.
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569


Marine,

They're not called clips. There's no such thing as a CLIP you wannabe Leatherneck. They're called Magazines!
 Quoting: Squatch Hunter


Duh, I'm not talking to Marines...seems like I'm talking to a bunch of ID10t's. Clips are for handguns...magazines are for rifles. Wannabe Leatherneck, huh? If you'd like I could fax you my DD214. I don't have to prove shit to you anyway, the bad thing about this is that I served for you, and you're being a complete dick. Do you expect me to still call my sneakers "tenny runners" or my hat a "cover" or tell people that I need to "hit the head". I'm am a proud Gulf War Era Veteran and you need to "Lock it up!"
 Quoting: AFGW 21140569



You are without a doubt a rear echelon camper. I can tell by the way you speak. Its perfectly clear you werent combat arms...and definitely not Infantry. I knew you were old school because you referenced the M60, which has been out of service for 15 years, and not the M240B.

Not that I am demeaning your service...somebody had to bring me more ammo and gas, but get over yourself. I seriously doubt you had to move the pig very far, if at all, and only took hollywood pictures with it.

Gulf War veteran? Oh boy. I was there too, and by comparison to the past ten years in these other shitholes, it was a friggin training exercise.

Realize you are getting beaten up because of your ignorance, arrogance, and reluctance to recognize the stupidity of your statements, and not your service.
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