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Logic Behind the Existence of Shills

 
Burt Gummer

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...and now you know why the SHILLY LEFTY NEWS organizations do what they do.
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The shilly right news does it too, pretty much everybody does in at least some capacity. Someone mentioned earlier that some people denounce others as shills simply for having a differing opinion and technically that would be a tactic you'd find a paid shill using.

So really most people use shill-like tactics and don't even realize it.
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The RIGHT (as in Conservatives) do nothing of the sort. naughty

If you think they do....you have been indoctrinated by the LEFTIES to believe they do.
LIES, SPIN, MISDIRECTION, TRICKERY are tools of evil...and the LEFTY movement ONLY.

Wake up! thwak
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


The irony of the song ironic is that nothing in it is a good description of irony. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Clearly you are another liar from the LEFT.
Fact is, you wouldn't know irony if it was an IRON i-beam that hit you in the head.
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:)

For the record I am neither left or right.
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Impossible.
That would mean you are someone living on Mars or Saturn and not in the USA.
Everyone has a position based on their thoughts and values.

Care to try again and get back to reality this time? rolleyes
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I've put a lot of thought into my 'political' views and I can assure you that they are not on any grid that I am aware of. I would prefer not to get into my 'political' views at this time.

For the hell of it though let's just say that if the bird's, ant's, bee's, and rock's way of life were a political ideology mine would probably be rather similar.
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11/26/2012 10:47 PM
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But astroturfing is used not only by the government on conspiracy or political disinformation, but also by corporations, pharmaceutical companies, etc., to sway public opinion or make it appear that a majority agree with, well, what a majority DOESN'T agree with. I see it everywhere, not just in forums, but also in comments to news articles.

I could give many examples, but sometimes I wonder, why bother? This world really is an illusion, built on many, many, lies, starting with our history and who we are. Nothing is new or "discovered"---we've been there before. Still, some days I will attempt to either defend or debunk my personal point of view, before I realize what I'm doing.

There are many articles on astroturfing, but I can't post the link I wanted to due to copyright infringement and content banned here. Just do a search.
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:)

For the record I am neither left or right.
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Impossible.
That would mean you are someone living on Mars or Saturn and not in the USA.
Everyone has a position based on their thoughts and values.

Care to try again and get back to reality this time? rolleyes
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I've put a lot of thought into my 'political' views and I can assure you that they are not on any grid that I am aware of. I would prefer not to get into my 'political' views at this time.

For the hell of it though let's just say that if the bird's, ant's, bee's, and rock's way of life were a political ideology mine would probably be rather similar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


Still impossible.
Even Anarchists are classified.

Tell me your values / political thoughts then...and I will tell you where you fall what category.
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But astroturfing is used not only by the government on conspiracy or political disinformation, but also by corporations, pharmaceutical companies, etc., to sway public opinion or make it appear that a majority agree with, well, what a majority DOESN'T agree with. I see it everywhere, not just in forums, but also in comments to news articles.

I could give many examples, but sometimes I wonder, why bother? This world really is an illusion, built on many, many, lies, starting with our history and who we are. Nothing is new or "discovered"---we've been there before. Still, some days I will attempt to either defend or debunk my personal point of view, before I realize what I'm doing.

There are many articles on astroturfing, but I can't post the link I wanted to due to copyright infringement and content banned here. Just do a search.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28548007


Astroturfing, is this not the fake grass on sport fields?

Anyway we all know people lie a lot today, but they lied throughout history too. This is why history is so hazy, any written evidence is just as likely to be written by a liar as any current written document.
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Still impossible.
Even Anarchists are classified.

Tell me your values / political thoughts then...and I will tell you where you fall what category.
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Where do the birds and the bees fall on the political grid?
Burt Gummer

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But astroturfing is used not only by the government on conspiracy or political disinformation, but also by corporations, pharmaceutical companies, etc., to sway public opinion or make it appear that a majority agree with, well, what a majority DOESN'T agree with. I see it everywhere, not just in forums, but also in comments to news articles.

I could give many examples, but sometimes I wonder, why bother? This world really is an illusion, built on many, many, lies, starting with our history and who we are. Nothing is new or "discovered"---we've been there before. Still, some days I will attempt to either defend or debunk my personal point of view, before I realize what I'm doing.

There are many articles on astroturfing, but I can't post the link I wanted to due to copyright infringement and content banned here. Just do a search.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28548007


Astroturfing, is this not the fake grass on sport fields?

Anyway we all know people lie a lot today, but they lied throughout history too. This is why history is so hazy, any written evidence is just as likely to be written by a liar as any current written document.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


True about history....but it is VERY difficult in this modern era for politicians and news media to lie without being snagged in these lies.
Technology has seen to that...via the internet, cameras, video...etc.

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Burt Gummer

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Still impossible.
Even Anarchists are classified.

Tell me your values / political thoughts then...and I will tell you where you fall what category.
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Where do the birds and the bees fall on the political grid?
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That makes no sense.
Explain what you mean.

You want to be free and aloof like them?
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True about history....but it is VERY difficult in this modern era for politicians and news media to lie without being snagged in these lies.
Technology has seen to that...via the internet, cameras, video...etc.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Heh... It is very hard for the liars to lie because they'll be caught by the liars.

I don't personally subscribe to that, but to each their own.
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The shilly right news does it too, pretty much everybody does in at least some capacity. Someone mentioned earlier that some people denounce others as shills simply for having a differing opinion and technically that would be a tactic you'd find a paid shill using.

So really most people use shill-like tactics and don't even realize it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


The RIGHT (as in Conservatives) do nothing of the sort. naughty

If you think they do....you have been indoctrinated by the LEFTIES to believe they do.
LIES, SPIN, MISDIRECTION, TRICKERY are tools of evil...and the LEFTY movement ONLY.

Wake up! thwak
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


The irony of the song ironic is that nothing in it is a good description of irony. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
 Quoting: Stanfiem


Clearly you are another liar from the LEFT.
Fact is, you wouldn't know irony if it was an IRON i-beam that hit you in the head.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

'Release the hounds.'
Stanfiem
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The RIGHT (as in Conservatives) do nothing of the sort. naughty

If you think they do....you have been indoctrinated by the LEFTIES to believe they do.
LIES, SPIN, MISDIRECTION, TRICKERY are tools of evil...and the LEFTY movement ONLY.

Wake up! thwak
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


The irony of the song ironic is that nothing in it is a good description of irony. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
 Quoting: Stanfiem


Clearly you are another liar from the LEFT.
Fact is, you wouldn't know irony if it was an IRON i-beam that hit you in the head.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

'Release the hounds.'
 Quoting: Stanfiem


dumbpeeps
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Where do the birds and the bees fall on the political grid?
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That makes no sense.
Explain what you mean.

You want to be free and aloof like them?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I don't think that political ideology dictates how intelligent a person should be, not in mine anyway. So if a bird is aloof that has nothing to do with what the political alignment of the bird would be considered.

If there are 5 year old republicans or 5 year old democrats does that mean they all have the intelligence level of a 5 year old? Just because I might share a birds politics does not mean I have the intelligence level of a bird or suggest that others should have the intelligence level of a bird.



:)
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The bird does not tell you how intelligent you should be. In fact the bird does not tell you if you should be a bird or a bee. The bird just lives his life as he sees fit.
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The irony of the song ironic is that nothing in it is a good description of irony. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
 Quoting: Stanfiem


Clearly you are another liar from the LEFT.
Fact is, you wouldn't know irony if it was an IRON i-beam that hit you in the head.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

'Release the hounds.'
 Quoting: Stanfiem


dumbpeeps
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

Try to keep up.
Stanfiem
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Where do the birds and the bees fall on the political grid?
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That makes no sense.
Explain what you mean.

You want to be free and aloof like them?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I don't think that political ideology dictates how intelligent a person should be, not in mine anyway. So if a bird is aloof that has nothing to do with what the political alignment of the bird would be considered.

If there are 5 year old republicans or 5 year old democrats does that mean they all have the intelligence level of a 5 year old? Just because I might share a birds politics does not mean I have the intelligence level of a bird or suggest that others should have the intelligence level of a bird.



:)
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You TOTALLY avoided the issue.
It's not an issue right now of intelligence.....it's an issue of figuring out what category you fall into.

So.....what about the birds or the bees makes you feel as you do?
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Where do the birds and the bees fall on the political grid?
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That makes no sense.
Explain what you mean.

You want to be free and aloof like them?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I don't think that political ideology dictates how intelligent a person should be, not in mine anyway. So if a bird is aloof that has nothing to do with what the political alignment of the bird would be considered.

If there are 5 year old republicans or 5 year old democrats does that mean they all have the intelligence level of a 5 year old? Just because I might share a birds politics does not mean I have the intelligence level of a bird or suggest that others should have the intelligence level of a bird.



:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


You TOTALLY avoided the issue.
It's not an issue right now of intelligence.....it's an issue of figuring out what category you fall into.

So.....what about the birds or the bees makes you feel as you do?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


The bird does not tell you how intelligent you should be. In fact the bird does not tell you if you should be a bird or a bee. The bird just lives his life as he sees fit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417
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Where do the birds and the bees fall on the political grid?
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That makes no sense.
Explain what you mean.

You want to be free and aloof like them?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I don't think that political ideology dictates how intelligent a person should be, not in mine anyway. So if a bird is aloof that has nothing to do with what the political alignment of the bird would be considered.

If there are 5 year old republicans or 5 year old democrats does that mean they all have the intelligence level of a 5 year old? Just because I might share a birds politics does not mean I have the intelligence level of a bird or suggest that others should have the intelligence level of a bird.



:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


You TOTALLY avoided the issue.
It's not an issue right now of intelligence.....it's an issue of figuring out what category you fall into.

So.....what about the birds or the bees makes you feel as you do?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

Like I said before Try to keep up.
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Contrary to popular belief the world is not what we say it is, but instead it is what it in fact is.
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That makes no sense.
Explain what you mean.

You want to be free and aloof like them?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I don't think that political ideology dictates how intelligent a person should be, not in mine anyway. So if a bird is aloof that has nothing to do with what the political alignment of the bird would be considered.

If there are 5 year old republicans or 5 year old democrats does that mean they all have the intelligence level of a 5 year old? Just because I might share a birds politics does not mean I have the intelligence level of a bird or suggest that others should have the intelligence level of a bird.



:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


You TOTALLY avoided the issue.
It's not an issue right now of intelligence.....it's an issue of figuring out what category you fall into.

So.....what about the birds or the bees makes you feel as you do?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


The bird does not tell you how intelligent you should be. In fact the bird does not tell you if you should be a bird or a bee. The bird just lives his life as he sees fit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


OK.
...so how do you see fit to live your life Oh Great Philosophical One?

Describe your concept of living as you see fit.

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You TOTALLY avoided the issue.
It's not an issue right now of intelligence.....it's an issue of figuring out what category you fall into.

So.....what about the birds or the bees makes you feel as you do?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

Like I said before Try to keep up.
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You have a point there. I feel as though the conversation is getting a bit off-topic no?
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You TOTALLY avoided the issue.
It's not an issue right now of intelligence.....it's an issue of figuring out what category you fall into.

So.....what about the birds or the bees makes you feel as you do?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

Like I said before Try to keep up.
 Quoting: Stanfiem


You have a point there. I feel as though the conversation is getting a bit off-topic no?
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If it wasn't for me this thread would be dead long ago anyway.

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Is anyone that disagrees with you a shill?
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Is anyone that disagrees with you a shill?
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If you're referring to me I wasn't calling anyone a shill. I can see where the conversation took a turn, I was only stating that it was getting off-topic and perhaps we could move it back to where it was originally. In other forums I frequent it is frowned upon to speak off-topic. I don't personally frown upon such things, but I was hoping to have a discussion about my original topic.

Sorry if it seemed as though I implied he was purposely derailing the conversation, I wasn't.
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Is anyone that disagrees with you a shill?
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No...those who say they have NO POLITICAL position whatsoever are full of it though.


EVERYONE has a political stance, whether they realize it or not, based on their beliefs, wishes, life they wish to live...etc.


Shills are a whole other thing entirely.
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If you're referring to me I wasn't calling anyone a shill. I can see where the conversation took a turn, I was only stating that it was getting off-topic and perhaps we could move it back to where it was originally. In other forums I frequent it is frowned upon to speak off-topic. I don't personally frown upon such things, but I was hoping to have a discussion about my original topic.

Sorry if it seemed as though I implied he was purposely derailing the conversation, I wasn't.
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Moreover I personally don't see anything here worth derailing so no I am not accusing anyone of being a shill.
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Is anyone that disagrees with you a shill?
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No...those who say they have NO POLITICAL position whatsoever are full of it though.


EVERYONE has a political stance, whether they realize it or not, based on their beliefs, wishes, life they wish to live...etc.


Shills are a whole other thing entirely.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I'm not saying I don't have a political view, only that I don't see it fitting into any well known political grid such as the popular left wing/right wing deal.
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I don't think that political ideology dictates how intelligent a person should be, not in mine anyway. So if a bird is aloof that has nothing to do with what the political alignment of the bird would be considered.

If there are 5 year old republicans or 5 year old democrats does that mean they all have the intelligence level of a 5 year old? Just because I might share a birds politics does not mean I have the intelligence level of a bird or suggest that others should have the intelligence level of a bird.



:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


You TOTALLY avoided the issue.
It's not an issue right now of intelligence.....it's an issue of figuring out what category you fall into.

So.....what about the birds or the bees makes you feel as you do?
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


The bird does not tell you how intelligent you should be. In fact the bird does not tell you if you should be a bird or a bee. The bird just lives his life as he sees fit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


OK.
...so how do you see fit to live your life Oh Great Philosophical One?

Describe your concept of living as you see fit.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Still waiting for this answer. hi
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Is anyone that disagrees with you a shill?
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No...those who say they have NO POLITICAL position whatsoever are full of it though.


EVERYONE has a political stance, whether they realize it or not, based on their beliefs, wishes, life they wish to live...etc.


Shills are a whole other thing entirely.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I'm not saying I don't have a political view
, only that I don't see it fitting into any well known political grid such as the popular left wing/right wing deal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


Let the backpedaling begin. lmao

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I've put a lot of thought into my 'political' views and I can assure you that they are not on any grid that I am aware of. I would prefer not to get into my 'political' views at this time.

For the hell of it though let's just say that if the bird's, ant's, bee's, and rock's way of life were a political ideology mine would probably be rather similar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


I'm not saying I don't have a political view, only that I don't see it fitting into any well known political grid such as the popular left wing/right wing deal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


Let the backpedaling begin. lmao
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


What backpedaling? I already said I had views, just that they don't fit into a grid.
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I've put a lot of thought into my 'political' views and I can assure you that they are not on any grid that I am aware of. I would prefer not to get into my 'political' views at this time.

For the hell of it though let's just say that if the bird's, ant's, bee's, and rock's way of life were a political ideology mine would probably be rather similar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


I'm not saying I don't have a political view, only that I don't see it fitting into any well known political grid such as the popular left wing/right wing deal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


Let the backpedaling begin. lmao
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


What backpedaling? I already said I had views, just that they don't fit into a grid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417


....so explain little birdie on how you would like to live....since that is your philosophy.

I will then tell you where you are politically.
Wassamatta?....ya chicken????

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