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Science: free will is an illusion

 
Anonymous Coward
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11/27/2012 03:34 AM
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Science: free will is an illusion
Personally, I have always known this on intuitive level and it is a relief that science is starting to back it up.

"We consciously explain why we choose but choices are made by biochemical processes that we have no control over. There is no real free will."

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james
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11/27/2012 04:03 AM
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
I was free not to follow the link!!!


We always have a choice and no study will change that, we are free to CHOOSE or not, we can even change our minds halfway through and then decide after posting I might take a peek at the link ;)

or maybe not lol.
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11/27/2012 04:13 AM
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
I find it interesting that they've shown that our brain makes a decision on our next action 300 milliseconds before we actually become aware of it (and "decide to do it").

Our conscious mind is simply following the commands of our subconsciousness, and the former is simply fooling itself into thinking that it made the decision.
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11/27/2012 04:28 AM

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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
Then why are you on GLP? No purpose means no truth, no lies, no NWO, no elite. In fact, if that were the case, you wouldn't know. NO ONE would know.
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And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
I was free not to follow the link!!!


We always have a choice and no study will change that, we are free to CHOOSE or not, we can even change our minds halfway through and then decide after posting I might take a peek at the link ;)

or maybe not lol.
 Quoting: james 28564332


you were programmed to think that way, it isn't you its in your DNA
..why don't you take a seat over there
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11/27/2012 05:01 AM
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
This is why it's so important that you pay real close attention what you program your mind with. The only thing you have control over is what you allow into your mind. Don't fall for the deterministic nonsense.
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11/27/2012 05:07 AM
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
"It is abundantly clear that any argument or discussion regarding free will or lack thereof is just the last vestiges of the 'me' looking for control." - J Krishnamurti

"All of our thoughts are conditioned. We all are thinking exactly along the lines we are conditioned to think. Programmed like a computer. Anybody who thinks they are actually choosing of their own free will the line of thinking that they have is completely deluded by their thinking." - Adyashanti

"One thing that I always emphasize is that it is culture that has created us all for the sole purpose of maintaining its status quo and its continuity. So, in that sense, I do not see that there are any individuals at all. At the same time, the same culture has given us the hope that there is something that you can do to become an individual and that there is such a thing as free will. Actually there is no free will at all." - UG Krishnamurti

"We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of… In almost every act of our lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind." - Edward Bernays

"Most people live in the delusion that they make decisions out of free will. In reality their actions are completely determined by their past. How you think, what you want and what you consider important are all determined by your upbringing, your culture, your religion – in short, by your concepts. As long as you still think you are your mind, you have no free will. Spiritually you are unconscious. You may think you know what you want, but you don't. It is only the conditioning of your mind that says: 'This is what you need to have'. That’s not a choice, it’s mechanical." - Eckhart Tolle

"You do not choose, you do not decide, when you see things very clearly... Only the unintelligent mind exercises choice in life. A spiritually advanced or truly intelligent mind simply cannot have choice, because it can only choose the path of truth. Only the unintelligent mind has free will." - J Krishnamurti

"All actions are determined except the ability to inquire into one's true nature." - Ramana Maharshi

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Levski

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11/27/2012 05:10 AM
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
science is just another religion. it is far from acurate
What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
I come to know that the real "me" is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world.
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11/27/2012 05:12 AM
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
It's the other fucking way around!
Biochemical processes are made by choises (on a very deep level)
nobody knows what really triggers that which triggers those
biochemical processes.
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
science is just another religion. it is far from acurate
 Quoting: Levski


science isn't a religion... we don't make you believe in any gods, and if u don't follow it u wont burn in hell
..why don't you take a seat over there
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11/27/2012 06:43 AM
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Re: Science: free will is an illusion
I find it interesting that they've shown that our brain makes a decision on our next action 300 milliseconds before we actually become aware of it (and "decide to do it").

Our conscious mind is simply following the commands of our subconsciousness, and the former is simply fooling itself into thinking that it made the decision.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21734520


the trick is
to be able to understand/translate the subconscious information - even before it gets "public"

(the motive of your own thinking, in other words, your intimate curiosity.. very few addressed it and followed their associations deep down where they got it trough experience)

i am able to do that on most occasions (fast mental retrospection - how i percieve it - > how it got related in me (+why?) -> how i would react (observer check - filter for all match)

perhaps it depends on you, what you have set as VALUEs and what you missed completely as supporting information (be it: unrecognized motion of shapes and colors in your mind... you never thought it WAS something.. it was, and is always ready to give you answers or be it other souls near by, giving you their parts..i named them "keys" to knowledge.. for the real fun begins when interacting)

hf