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What type of monster God sends my loved ones into hell...

 
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What kind of monster parents doom their kids to hell because they failed to teach them to love their Creator?
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Each soul is given enough information to make their own decision.
I know kids of preachers who rebel by not lack of knowlege, but prideful souls.
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just imagine the vengeance
God takes upon the souls of all who reject the sacrifice of his son, Jesus Christ
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What a blessing - the power of the carnal religious imagination. Like I tell people: to understand the ways of the Lord, you gotta dream up the sickest stuff you can think of, and then realize that it's even a million times worse than that ;)
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enjoy your time, just punishment from a Holy God awaits the wicked

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. (Ps 14:1)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Some of the individuals who have had Near-Death-Experiences have participated in a type of life-review process whereby they reviewed their entire collection of life experiences with a new sense of awareness and clarity. Only here is the catch, they not only had awareness of how those life situations affected their own conscious experience, but they also had awareness of how their decisions and experiences affected & impacted those that they interacted with. These individuals were responsible for judging/reviewing/evaluating their own lives from all vantage points of awareness, not just their own.

All this fear that you preach with your fire & brimstone threats of enternal punishment and damnation - are you ready to be on the receiving end of all of this energy that you send out and try and elicit in others? Are you ready to experience this negative energy that you have projected onto others? Do you think you get a free pass because you have deluded yourself into believing that your man-made religious dogma will spare you from having to be accountable for your actions, even through your own self-judgement? Do you know what karmic debts are? Do you know about the law of attraction and how energy will attract similar energy? What type of energy do you think you will attract if you continue down this path?

There is no better time than now to learn the emotion of empathy and how to practice it in your life. Looking at your posts, this concept appears to be foreign to you since you seek only to condemn others and promote fear-consciousness. The good news is that reincarnation is real, and what we don't learn in this lifetime, we will have a chance to learn through another. I don't know about you but I'm ready to move on from this dense, physical existence. My intention is to learn and evolve as much as I can in this lifetime. How about you?

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What kind of monster parents doom their kids to hell because they failed to teach them to love their Creator?
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Each soul is given enough information to make their own decision.
I know kids of preachers who rebel by not lack of knowlege, but prideful souls.
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Do you believe this 'enough information' comes through the form of man-made and man-manipulated religious texts?

hmm

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Jesus paid the price for all sins for all who believe in Him.
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The verse I quoted above says His sacrifice paid for the sins of the world.


You are a deceiver intentionally glossing over this all important point,
spewing satan's heretical "Do What Thou Wilt" gospel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


That's a complete lie. I've been here for over 4 years preaching repentance and abandonment of sin, primarily to chuchbots, who are ironically *the* hardest ones to get through to because they think they've "arrived" merely by mouthing a sinner's prayer. Most are comfy idolatrous Laodiceans who will judge others at the drop of a hat (sound familiar?)


You are claiming almighty God was incapable of facilitating a perfect
translation of His Word into English, and that God is lying when He says:

Every word of God is pure (Prov. 30:5)

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Prov. 30:6)

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


It's not a matter of whether He is *able* - from His own warnings, it quite sounds like He expected the word to be corrupted. Jesus told us to beware the scribes, yes? And the caution in Revelation against altering its contents - *why* would He bother with such a warning if He simply made it impossible to tamper with His word, as you assert?
Jeremiah 8:8 says the law has been compromised. Do the math.

The spirit you claim "informed [you] that the churches' beloved Hellfire story
is bullshit" is contrary to Christ, the living Word, and is therefore a lie from
the spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:3).

Revilers will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:10).

As a lying antichrist yourself as reproved by God (1 John 2:22),
you probably don't care.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. (Ps 14:1)

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Heb. 10:31)

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


The irony is that I had spent the previous summer facing my rancid hypocrisy and coming to the conclusion that I was nothing but a holier-than-thou Pharisee. In the ensuing year I began to learn true repentance and humility, and more or less begged God to set me right. I yielded everything I thought I knew, and asked for the blinders to be removed. I just wanted to know Him and to be what He wanted me to be.

Per your accusation, it was the devil who answered my sincere plea, and changed my life for the better, filling my heart with more love for Christ than I had imagined was possible, and molding me into someone halfway useful that other people could actually stand to be around for more than 5 seconds. . .as well as opening my eyes to truth which has been swept under the rug by Religion Inc. for centuries.

Yet, I'm the blasphemer. OK, no sweat.

If you'll look into it, you'll find that the early christian fathers of the first couple of centuries widely believed in the eventual reconciliation of everyone. Only when Rome took over and paganized the church did this view magically become "heresy". And it's snowballed ever since, mutating into the biggest idol in the house. So-called "believers" have more faith in eternal Hellfire than they do in Jesus. And when ya disrespect their scary volcano monster, they get outraged and turn up the heat, just like Nebuchadnezzar did.

Perfect love casts out fear. There comes a time to climb out of the playpen and walk with the Father.
Please pray for me: I used to be a Good Christian™, until I got a hold of some kind of fruity "love" bullshit and decided I need to be less harsh on people.
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Jesus paid the price for all sins for all who believe in Him.
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The verse I quoted above says His sacrifice paid for the sins of the world.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (Gal. 6:7)


You are a deceiver intentionally glossing over this all important point,
spewing satan's heretical "Do What Thou Wilt" gospel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


That's a complete lie. I've been here for over 4 years preaching repentance and abandonment of sin, primarily to chuchbots, who are ironically *the* hardest ones to get through to because they think they've "arrived" merely by mouthing a sinner's prayer. Most are comfy idolatrous Laodiceans who will judge others at the drop of a hat (sound familiar?)
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)

You deny Jesus Christ, the living Word (John 1:1, 14).

God reproves you as a lying antichrist (1 John 2:22).

I believe God (Rom. 4:3).


You are claiming almighty God was incapable of facilitating a perfect
translation of His Word into English, and that God is lying when He says:

Every word of God is pure (Prov. 30:5)

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Prov. 30:6)

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


It's not a matter of whether He is *able* - from His own warnings, it quite sounds like He expected the word to be corrupted. Jesus told us to beware the scribes, yes? And the caution in Revelation against altering its contents - *why* would He bother with such a warning if He simply made it impossible to tamper with His word, as you assert?
Jeremiah 8:8 says the law has been compromised. Do the math.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)

If God did not preserve His Word for man, there is no way for man to know God and his will.

God says he preserved his Word (Prov. 30:5-6), and you are calling God a liar.

Jeremiah 8:8 says they were not keeping God's laws, it does not in any way
state or imply that God's Word was corrupted.

God gives man freedom of choice, so false translations of God's Word can be made.

But the English translation of God's Word in the King James Bible, virtually
identical to the Dead Sea Scrolls, is eternal and incorruptible.


The spirit you claim "informed [you] that the churches' beloved Hellfire story
is bullshit" is contrary to Christ, the living Word, and is therefore a lie from
the spirit of antichrist (1 John 4:3).

Revilers will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:10).

As a lying antichrist yourself as reproved by God (1 John 2:22),
you probably don't care.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. (Ps 14:1)

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Heb. 10:31)

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


The irony is that I had spent the previous summer facing my rancid hypocrisy and coming to the conclusion that I was nothing but a holier-than-thou Pharisee. In the ensuing year I began to learn true repentance and humility, and more or less begged God to set me right. I yielded everything I thought I knew, and asked for the blinders to be removed. I just wanted to know Him and to be what He wanted me to be.

Per your accusation, it was the devil who answered my sincere plea, and changed my life for the better, filling my heart with more love for Christ than I had imagined was possible,
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)

God reproves the spirit you communicated with as antichrist (1 John 4:3), not me.

I believe God (Rom. 4:3)

The spirit evidently convinced you that God does not mean what He says and
that God's Word is unreliable.


and molding me into someone halfway useful that other people could actually stand to be around for more than 5 seconds. . .as well as opening my eyes to truth which has been swept under the rug by Religion Inc. for centuries.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not
of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world
hateth you. (John 15:19)

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is
enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the
enemy of God. (James 4:4)


You deny God's Word in favor of Religion Inc., that being your own made up,
world friendly gospel given to you by the spirit of antichrist.


Yet, I'm the blasphemer. OK, no sweat.

If you'll look into it, you'll find that the early christian fathers of the first couple of centuries widely believed in the eventual reconciliation of everyone. Only when Rome took over and paganized the church did this view magically become "heresy". And it's snowballed ever since, mutating into the biggest idol in the house. So-called "believers" have more faith in eternal Hellfire than they do in Jesus. And when ya disrespect THEIR scary volcano monster, THEY get outraged and turn up the heat, just like Nebuchadnezzar did.

Perfect love casts out fear. There comes a time to climb out of the playpen and walk with the Father.
 Quoting: MuadDib987 (nli)

So telling is it that you refer to God fearing Christians as "THEY."

Your playpen line is just what satanic drug and fleshlight peddler, joe rogan preaches:




But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but
by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matt. 4:4)

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather
division (Luke 12:51)

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that
denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22)

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel
unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal. 1:9)
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Re: What type of monster God sends my loved ones into hell...
just imagine the vengeance
God takes upon the souls of all who reject the sacrifice of his son, Jesus Christ
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


What a blessing - the power of the carnal religious imagination. Like I tell people: to understand the ways of the Lord, you gotta dream up the sickest stuff you can think of, and then realize that it's even a million times worse than that ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

enjoy your time, just punishment from a Holy God awaits the wicked

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. (Ps 14:1)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Some of the individuals who have had Near-Death-Experiences have participated in a type of life-review process whereby they reviewed their entire collection of life experiences with a new sense of awareness and clarity. Only here is the catch, they not only had awareness of how those life situations affected their own conscious experience, but they also had awareness of how their decisions and experiences affected & impacted those that they interacted with. These individuals were responsible for judging/reviewing/evaluating their own lives from all vantage points of awareness, not just their own.

All this fear that you preach with your fire & brimstone threats of enternal punishment and damnation - are you ready to be on the receiving end of all of this energy that you send out and try and elicit in others? Are you ready to experience this negative energy that you have projected onto others? Do you think you get a free pass because you have deluded yourself into believing that your man-made religious dogma will spare you from having to be accountable for your actions, even through your own self-judgement? Do you know what karmic debts are? Do you know about the law of attraction and how energy will attract similar energy? What type of energy do you think you will attract if you continue down this path?

There is no better time than now to learn the emotion of empathy and how to practice it in your life. Looking at your posts, this concept appears to be foreign to you since you seek only to condemn others and promote fear-consciousness. The good news is that reincarnation is real, and what we don't learn in this lifetime, we will have a chance to learn through another. I don't know about you but I'm ready to move on from this dense, physical existence. My intention is to learn and evolve as much as I can in this lifetime. How about you?
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So telling is it that you refer to God fearing Christians as "THEY."
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If you'll reread what I wrote, you might notice that the they I'm referring to are so-called believers with faith in Hell, not in God. I was one of them for a long time, but I don't belong to that category any more. It's pretty simple.

Your playpen line is just what satanic drug and fleshlight peddler, joe rogan preaches:
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I dunno anything about him.

Why don't you have any Good News? The gospel is that God is reconciling mankind by His Son Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as sacrifice on the cross for our sins and was raised again in resurrection and victory. We're therefore all called to repent and walk in newness of life and thus be saved.
What part of that is not gospel enough for you?
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So telling is it that you refer to God fearing Christians as "THEY."
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If you'll reread what I wrote, you might notice that the they I'm referring to are so-called believers with faith in Hell, not in God. I was one of them for a long time, but I don't belong to that category any more. It's pretty simple.

Your playpen line is just what satanic drug and fleshlight peddler, joe rogan preaches:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


I dunno anything about him.

Why don't you have any Good News? The gospel is that God is reconciling mankind by His Son Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as sacrifice on the cross for our sins and was raised again in resurrection and victory. We're therefore all called to repent and walk in newness of life and thus be saved.
What part of that is not gospel enough for you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

your problem is not with me

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall
he also reap. (Gal. 6:7)

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (John 12:48)
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What a blessing - the power of the carnal religious imagination. Like I tell people: to understand the ways of the Lord, you gotta dream up the sickest stuff you can think of, and then realize that it's even a million times worse than that ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

enjoy your time, just punishment from a Holy God awaits the wicked

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. (Ps 14:1)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Some of the individuals who have had Near-Death-Experiences have participated in a type of life-review process whereby they reviewed their entire collection of life experiences with a new sense of awareness and clarity. Only here is the catch, they not only had awareness of how those life situations affected their own conscious experience, but they also had awareness of how their decisions and experiences affected & impacted those that they interacted with. These individuals were responsible for judging/reviewing/evaluating their own lives from all vantage points of awareness, not just their own.

All this fear that you preach with your fire & brimstone threats of enternal punishment and damnation - are you ready to be on the receiving end of all of this energy that you send out and try and elicit in others? Are you ready to experience this negative energy that you have projected onto others? Do you think you get a free pass because you have deluded yourself into believing that your man-made religious dogma will spare you from having to be accountable for your actions, even through your own self-judgement? Do you know what karmic debts are? Do you know about the law of attraction and how energy will attract similar energy? What type of energy do you think you will attract if you continue down this path?

There is no better time than now to learn the emotion of empathy and how to practice it in your life. Looking at your posts, this concept appears to be foreign to you since you seek only to condemn others and promote fear-consciousness. The good news is that reincarnation is real, and what we don't learn in this lifetime, we will have a chance to learn through another. I don't know about you but I'm ready to move on from this dense, physical existence. My intention is to learn and evolve as much as I can in this lifetime. How about you?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

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Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? (1 John 5:5)

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? (1 John 2:22)

all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev. 21:8)


You can take it up with Christ, your Creator, when you stand before him at
judgment (2 Cor. 5:10).
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your problem is not with me
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Agreed - my problem is with centuries-old lies being fed to the masses by the Harlot.
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Here's a lol. . .you assert that I am "claiming almighty God was incapable of facilitating a perfect translation of His Word into English", when *your* stance is that almighty God is incapable of saving blind obstinate lost sinners and will have to dispose of them like some back-alley weasel burning incriminating evidence.

No sweat. It's all good.
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Here's a lol. . .you assert that I am "claiming almighty God was incapable of facilitating a perfect translation of His Word into English", when *your* stance is that almighty God is incapable of saving blind obstinate lost sinners and will have to dispose of them like some back-alley weasel burning incriminating evidence.

No sweat. It's all good.
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and again, your description of God is most telling

A loving God gives all freedom of choice.

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)
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your problem is not with me
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Agreed - my problem is with centuries-old lies being fed to the masses by the Harlot.
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this is your characterization of God's Word...blasphemy

Every word of God is pure (Prov. 30:5)
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I am on board with you........I get the same feedback from staunch christians all the time.......it's hard to reach through the centuries of teachings, eh?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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enjoy your time, just punishment from a Holy God awaits the wicked

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. (Ps 14:1)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Some of the individuals who have had Near-Death-Experiences have participated in a type of life-review process whereby they reviewed their entire collection of life experiences with a new sense of awareness and clarity. Only here is the catch, they not only had awareness of how those life situations affected their own conscious experience, but they also had awareness of how their decisions and experiences affected & impacted those that they interacted with. These individuals were responsible for judging/reviewing/evaluating their own lives from all vantage points of awareness, not just their own.

All this fear that you preach with your fire & brimstone threats of enternal punishment and damnation - are you ready to be on the receiving end of all of this energy that you send out and try and elicit in others? Are you ready to experience this negative energy that you have projected onto others? Do you think you get a free pass because you have deluded yourself into believing that your man-made religious dogma will spare you from having to be accountable for your actions, even through your own self-judgement? Do you know what karmic debts are? Do you know about the law of attraction and how energy will attract similar energy? What type of energy do you think you will attract if you continue down this path?

There is no better time than now to learn the emotion of empathy and how to practice it in your life. Looking at your posts, this concept appears to be foreign to you since you seek only to condemn others and promote fear-consciousness. The good news is that reincarnation is real, and what we don't learn in this lifetime, we will have a chance to learn through another. I don't know about you but I'm ready to move on from this dense, physical existence. My intention is to learn and evolve as much as I can in this lifetime. How about you?
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

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Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? (1 John 5:5)

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? (1 John 2:22)

all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev. 21:8)


You can take it up with Christ, your Creator, when you stand before him at
judgment (2 Cor. 5:10).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


Your scripture and man-made religious dogma is not going to spare you from being held accountable for your actions in this lifetime. Please don't be upset when you find yourself on the receiving end of the energy that you created and projected onto others.

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@ MuadDib987

I am on board with you........I get the same feedback from staunch christians all the time.......it's hard to reach through the centuries of teachings, eh?
 Quoting: Shamar


I hear ya. At least it's not boring ;)
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Here's a lol. . .you assert that I am "claiming almighty God was incapable of facilitating a perfect translation of His Word into English", when *your* stance is that almighty God is incapable of saving blind obstinate lost sinners and will have to dispose of them like some back-alley weasel burning incriminating evidence.

No sweat. It's all good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

and again, your description of God is most telling

A loving God gives all freedom of choice.

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)
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Oh, I wasn't describing God - I was describing your beloved deity of failure who's planning on cooking the people He can't save.
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Hell is not a biblical idea. Go to the orginal hebrew, aramaic, and greek.

Also the word for eternal in every reference to hell is actual anaoin which mean "for an age"

Eternal hell is not in the bible. It's a big lie cooked up by the byzantines.

All punishment is meant for refinement and redemption. The words for torment actually translate to refinement.
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A loving God gives all freedom of choice.
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Q: Are you a parent? If so, just how much "freedom of choice" did you allow your kids? Now picture if they were blind or challenged. You get the picture? No decent Father would allow them to run into traffic and just say "Oh well, he *chose* that. Too bad."
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Here's a lol. . .you assert that I am "claiming almighty God was incapable of facilitating a perfect translation of His Word into English", when *your* stance is that almighty God is incapable of saving blind obstinate lost sinners and will have to dispose of them like some back-alley weasel burning incriminating evidence.

No sweat. It's all good.
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and again, your description of God is most telling

A loving God gives all freedom of choice.

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2:12)
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That was not HIS description of god he was giving..IT WAS YOURS.

Funny how you got all upset about what YOU actually beleive about God.
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They had the same chance to repent you have- or I had for that matter. I chose, at 27 years of age, to admit my sinful nature and trust in Jesus. I know I have family in Hell. How dare I, the creation? call God (the Creator) to the carpet? It's His Creation, NOT mine. Take it up with Him.
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I am on board with you........I get the same feedback from staunch christians all the time.......it's hard to reach through the centuries of teachings, eh?
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I hear ya. At least it's not boring ;)
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I'm wondering if you are where I am at with this idea of the lake of fire........

I have read ( don't have it to post now ) that in the book of Enoch, AHYH's face is "fire", and that those who are not walking with Him, will stand before His face until they are able to walk with Him, or stand before His presence (my words).

It seems to me that one's works that are made of hay and stubble, will be burned up.....or that one will stand before His face until "purified" as gold. All who are soooooo evil, will simply be burned up from the presence of His face, they will no longer be able to exist.

It's kinda like a matter of physics. Since AHYH is spirit, and fire, nothing can exist in His presence until purified to something that cannot burn, such as gold.

Any thoughts?
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They had the same chance to repent you have- or I had for that matter. I chose, at 27 years of age, to admit my sinful nature and trust in Jesus.
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Really? So you're the Author of your faith? That would explain why you guys perpetually demand others to be the Author of their own faith as well, as if someone can just conjure up faith on command. What a blessing. You probably don't know the half of what "same chances" most people get.
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If your "loved ones" go to hell, they sent themselves there.
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I am on board with you........I get the same feedback from staunch christians all the time.......it's hard to reach through the centuries of teachings, eh?
 Quoting: Shamar


I hear ya. At least it's not boring ;)
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I'm wondering if you are where I am at with this idea of the lake of fire........

I have read ( don't have it to post now ) that in the book of Enoch, AHYH's face is "fire", and that those who are not walking with Him, will stand before His face until they are able to walk with Him, or stand before His presence (my words).

It seems to me that one's works that are made of hay and stubble, will be burned up.....or that one will stand before His face until "purified" as gold. All who are soooooo evil, will simply be burned up from the presence of His face, they will no longer be able to exist.

It's kinda like a matter of physics. Since AHYH is spirit, and fire, nothing can exist in His presence until purified to something that cannot burn, such as gold.

Any thoughts?
 Quoting: Shamar


I read Enoch a few years ago, but didn't give it much attention. I'm convinced that the "wicked"(est) among us will be reformed. Contrary to popular belief, God's judgments are designed to remedy us.

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Fire will expose and test each person's works. . ."if it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames" - 1 Corinthians 3

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged". . .Proverbs 16

"The wicked will see it and be vexed, He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The desire of the wicked will perish" - Psalm 112

The glory of the LORD seemed like a consuming fire to the children of Israel - Exodus 24
It was by fire that He revealed His Law to them. Moses went right up to it, but the masses were afraid. . .
"For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die" - Deuteronomy 5

-->> Fire was equated with hearing His voice

The process of "fire" leaves us in ashes. . .a scriptural symbol of humility.

All through the Laws of Moses, fire is what made the offerings acceptable and pleasing to God.

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Note that the "gates" of New Jerusalem *never* close. We're told in Revelation 3 that those who overcome will "go out no more", and Isaiah 60 confirms that these gates remain open for the purpose of bringing the kings and armies of the world in.

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A common verse that christians use to argue that there's *no* chance of redemption after one dies is in Hebrews 9:
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

The Greek word they somehow translated "judgment" there is krisis.
Hopefully we all know what a crisis is. Undergoing crisis often shows us what we're made of, brings us to the end of our rope, and helps us see what really matters. None of it is any fun, but it is a vital part of growing up.

<< The term crisis comes from the Greek noun krisis (choice, decision, judgment), deriving from the Greek verb krinein (to decide). The word makes an ancient debut in Greek historical writing via the legal, medical, and rhetorical terminology as the turning point in a decision, illness, or argument. >>

[link to science.jrank.org]

It would be *slightly* more accurate if it said "It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this, an unavoidable time of growing pains".

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Most church folk get outraged at the notion that sinners will be redeemed instead of fried, but that's called Older Brother Syndrome, after the Prodigal's resentful sibling who thought he deserved extra special treatment for not being "as bad" as the Prodigal.

Luke 1:37. . ."For with God nothing will be impossible". This one statement would seem to contradict quite a lot of christian beliefs, wouldn't it?
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All religions are idiotic.
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If your "loved ones" go to hell, they sent themselves there.
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And God allows it, which is different than sending them there how?

You agree the world is blind, yes? Old Testament Law demands that blind slaves be set free. The symbolism is life-changing.
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@ MuadDib987

I am on board with you........I get the same feedback from staunch christians all the time.......it's hard to reach through the centuries of teachings, eh?
 Quoting: Shamar


I hear ya. At least it's not boring ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


I'm wondering if you are where I am at with this idea of the lake of fire........

I have read ( don't have it to post now ) that in the book of Enoch, AHYH's face is "fire", and that those who are not walking with Him, will stand before His face until they are able to walk with Him, or stand before His presence (my words).

It seems to me that one's works that are made of hay and stubble, will be burned up.....or that one will stand before His face until "purified" as gold. All who are soooooo evil, will simply be burned up from the presence of His face, they will no longer be able to exist.

It's kinda like a matter of physics. Since AHYH is spirit, and fire, nothing can exist in His presence until purified to something that cannot burn, such as gold.

Any thoughts?
 Quoting: Shamar


I read Enoch a few years ago, but didn't give it much attention. I'm convinced that the "wicked"(est) among us will be reformed. Contrary to popular belief, God's judgments are designed to remedy us.

---

Fire will expose and test each person's works. . ."if it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames" - 1 Corinthians 3

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged". . .Proverbs 16

"The wicked will see it and be vexed, He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The desire of the wicked will perish" - Psalm 112

The glory of the LORD seemed like a consuming fire to the children of Israel - Exodus 24
It was by fire that He revealed His Law to them. Moses went right up to it, but the masses were afraid. . .
"For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die" - Deuteronomy 5

-->> Fire was equated with hearing His voice

The process of "fire" leaves us in ashes. . .a scriptural symbol of humility.

All through the Laws of Moses, fire is what made the offerings acceptable and pleasing to God.

---

Note that the "gates" of New Jerusalem *never* close. We're told in Revelation 3 that those who overcome will "go out no more", and Isaiah 60 confirms that these gates remain open for the purpose of bringing the kings and armies of the world in.

---

A common verse that christians use to argue that there's *no* chance of redemption after one dies is in Hebrews 9:
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

The Greek word they somehow translated "judgment" there is krisis.
Hopefully we all know what a crisis is. Undergoing crisis often shows us what we're made of, brings us to the end of our rope, and helps us see what really matters. None of it is any fun, but it is a vital part of growing up.

<< The term crisis comes from the Greek noun krisis (choice, decision, judgment), deriving from the Greek verb krinein (to decide). The word makes an ancient debut in Greek historical writing via the legal, medical, and rhetorical terminology as the turning point in a decision, illness, or argument. >>

[link to science.jrank.org]

It would be *slightly* more accurate if it said "It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this, an unavoidable time of growing pains".

---

Most church folk get outraged at the notion that sinners will be redeemed instead of fried, but that's called Older Brother Syndrome, after the Prodigal's resentful sibling who thought he deserved extra special treatment for not being "as bad" as the Prodigal.

Luke 1:37. . ."For with God nothing will be impossible". This one statement would seem to contradict quite a lot of christian beliefs, wouldn't it?
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yes......good post!!hf

edit: i don't want to slip into "universalism" though....dangerous territory, imo

Last Edited by Shamar on 11/30/2012 06:43 PM
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Not a fan of isms :)
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I always thought whether a person goes to heaven or hell is a choice the person himself makes. God doesn't really SEND them - as though it's a random selection, you know. If your relatives are low-life scum they probably deserve to go to hell. Maybe you need to save them or pray for them.

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