What type of monster God sends my loved ones into hell...

Riiight - OP asks a question christers don't have any logical answers for, so he's automatically classified a troll and a coward.

The query stands: why has the all-powerful God of Love apparently planned for the hideous disposal of billions of human beings He will supposedly *fail* to save?

And He *lets* us, even though we are, by his words, blinded and spiritually impaired? WTF kind of parenting is this? That's like allowing a retarded toddler to play in traffic because hey - "he chose that".

Fortunately, it's not so. The christian idol of Failure is eroding, and strongholds are being pulled down. Christ is the Savior of all, to be evident in due time.

Really now. So, He's actually no better than any random human being? How sad, considering that Jesus publicly pronounced forgiveness on those who nailed Him to the cross (though they weren't even repentant).



No such state exists

I did NOT tuck tail and run......you dodged the question...Have you been on the other side? Thats What I asked you.....and by your answer you have not been ...so be quiet about things you know nothing of.

Jesus did not pronounce forgiveness, but rather asked God to forgive them.

Nowhere does it say or imply that God ever forgave any unrepentant, quite
the contrary:

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation. (Mark 3:29)

I answered your question, and you again tucked tail on mine.

I was lost before Christ.

What exactly do you mean by being "on the other side?"

Instead of being coy, speak up if you have something to say
(you don't).

I am not going to spend the time reading through all of these posts to state the obvious which is Every Individual choses where he/she will spend eternity by either accepting God or denying Him. You can say "i don't believe in God," doin whaterve you please and that will work right up to the day you die. The fact is this earth is absolutely overflowing with proof of His existance.

Ah, Lawyerball. OK. . .Did Jesus ever say anything about the Father responding to His prayers?




The Matthew parallel verse says such an offender has not forgiveness "in this age nor the age to come". Fortunately, there are multiple ages ahead of us, and it says nothing about forgiveness in any age beyond the next, does it?

And proper rendering of the Greek there would be "age-long crisis", a substantially different concept than the phrase "eternal damnation" which they effortlessly put into God's mouth.

Alright then .......I have taken my awarenees out of my body and looked down on it laying in the bed....I have flown out of the body many times....I know this earth is not all there is to reality I KNOW this from experience.....so how about you ....speak up or shut up....

You are asking the wrong question.

so you regularly engage in the sin of witchcraft (1 Sam. 15:23), an abomination
unto God (Deut. 18:10-12) that will preclude entrance to the kingdom of God
(Gal. 5:20)

your proof that the Bible is not God's Word is that you personally find the
demonic experiences you have while engaging in witchcraft, forbidden by
God, to be enlightening

You haven't shown me any proof of anything.....just the beliefs that YOU think are the truth......can you think for yourself at all???....and I don't mean beliefs....true out of the box thinking......

The kind of God that gives you free will, to make your own decisions and lets you live that way.

Don't blame God if someone chose the devil.

I'm still waiting AC 491......

you imagine your 'true out of the box thinking' to be superior to God who
created you, which is not only sad, but evil

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools (Rom. 1:22)

shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing
framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? (Isa. 29:16)

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let
him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for
he will abundantly pardon. (Isa. 55:7)

I know, right? If they willfully *chose* that, what can He do? It's not like He had any hand in the whole ball of wax, like some cosmic Dr. Frankenstein, right?

;)

We're all part of God... this is an interesting video:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Luke 12: "I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled"

Exodus 22: "If fire breaks out and catches in thorns, so that stacked grain, standing grain, or the field is consumed, He who kindled the fire shall surely make restitution."

the god/religion i was taught as a child does not exist in the way they explained it, from my experience that is.

the god/religion explained by the humans on earth who claim to "know" are lies.

god is in you, you are god. god is good.

So far AC 491 all you have shown me is you can't think on your own....If you have to throw bible verses in the discussion you have just shown all of us you can't think for yourself....sigh......a mind is a terrible thing to close and not use......

god explained by humans in books is doublespeak for a reason.

power is more easily rendered over those whom are afraid.

How can most of the ones who claim they have a personal relationship with the author of love be the most hate filled judgmental callous and hellfire torture breathing ones out there?

The hypocrisy is permeated in every church I have ever been to.

Thinking they are good and holy when they by their words and their action only show they are evil and unholy?.

They sit up on a pedastal and proclaim doom and torture and death as the invention of the Author of Love.

How can this be?

Isnt satan the author of doom and torture and death?

Was it not satan who was the first one to use pride which led to hate?

Then why do so many "Christians" and churches preach pride and hate and doom and death to all who dont follow their interpretation of things?

Isnt that satans way of doing things?

Ive seen thousands of so called "Born again spirit filled" christians hating eachother and everyone else with a hate and vehemence that satan would be very proud of.


Its all about threats of torture in a horrifying dungeon that GOD created.

Cant God reach people without having to resort to torture as a threat?

Since when did God get into the blackmail business?

Isnt blackmail and torture SATANS domain?

Isnt it satans tactic to DEMAND people worship him on pain of death?

Isnt it satans wish and plan to MARK everyone on the planet and FORCE people to worship him as god ON PAIN OF DEATH?

Didnt Jesus say that the best way to tell good apart from evil is by its fruits or its results?

So how come the "Born again spirit filled" ones who claim to be full of the love of God preach the very SAME doctrine satan preaches,,,which is..worship ME or DIE?

(And the antichrist can only kill you once..it is said God will keep you alive in agony forever which is far worse)

How can God claim the high ground if he uses the SAME and WORSE tactics..threats..and FEAR that satan uses?

Either satan and god are one and the same being..

OR...

Satan has very cunnungly programmed most christians into accepting God has the right to be exactly what satan is.

A terrifying, megolomaniac, worship demanding, torturing, merciless tyrant.

God CANNOT be that.

So what is the answer?

Jesus was right when he warned of sending a strong delusion.

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and will all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Is not what The churches teach and the current doctrine portraying God to be the same or worse than satan is about as deluded as you can get.?

force and fear and control and manipulation are blatant tools of darkness.

So is blackmail.

No one can deny that.

It makes me wonder why it is used so much by christians.

Its taught that good and bad fruit cannot grow on the same tree.

Foul and fresh water cannot flow from the same tap.

So how is LOVE and BLACKMAIL allowed to coexist together in current teachings?

If you have real love dwelling inside you right away you know just what darkness is.

Darkness does not know itself as dark until the light comes on.

Darkness is seen clearly in the bright glare of the light of LOVE.

If you continue in pride and contention and arguments and spite....if you still have a cold hard judgmental attitude towards others who do not agree with you...if you think of God as being a blackmailer and tyrant whos only effective way of gaining followers is to threaten them with torture...sorry to say..but all those things are of DARKNESS and proves beyond doubt..by their fruits..that the light has NOT come on inside.

Many can claim they said a prayer that changed them. But did they change?

Their main desire is to beat others over the head with threats of hell in the same way they feel God beat THEM over the head with threats of hell.

This is NOT love it is FORCE.

This is why NO love is shown BY them because NO love was shown TO them.

You can ONLY give what you have recieved.

If what you give is harsh judgment and you hold an elite attitude of "I am saved and THEY will burn" then you are only repeating the mindset of satan who is all about threats and force and blackmail.

God is LOVE and he who DWELLS in love ABIDES in him..IN LOVE..and IN God there is NO DARKNESS AT ALL.

If your entire christian walk is dedicated to telling others they will burn in hell or that they have to cower and cringe and obey laws and do this or that or GOD will get them...then you are preaching darkness because darkness is in fact what you have recieved within and so its all you can give and show without.

But if you let Jesus reign IN you and His love is REAL to you then you could not even THINK about threatening others nor would you have pride and spite.

Jesus said "I am MEEK and LOWLY of heart..LEARN from me"

So few DO..although they THINK they do but their words and their actions betray the true state of whats within.

If what flows OUT of you is darkness then its darkness that reigns within NOT light or LOVE.

Clean and dirty water cannot flow from the same tap.

You cannot say you LOVE God and HATE others. The two do not mix.

You cannot say you have LOVE within if you show PRIDE and spite without. Its only an indicator that NOTHING has changed within you.

This is the reason so many see christians as evil spite filled pride obsessed contentious hypocrites.

Because MOST of them ARE, as they cannot help but show their TRUE nature to the world. The nature of DARKNESS is evident even to those who still dwell in it and who have never met Jesus.

The world judges christians this way because EVIL knows its own. When something comes along that is MORE evil than the world the world sees this and knowing by NATURE the things of darkness is very quick to point it out.

The world LOATHES hypocrites.

So all christians out there reading this please be aware of what you say and do. ARE you being compassionate and loving? Or are you judging and hating and condemning?

Next time you feel like reacting in anger or spite or saying "YOU will BURN IN HELL for having such a veiw" keep in mind the pharisees acted the same way and we all know what Jesus thought of THEM.

Ponder this.

A Loving God Would Not Send Billions of People to Hell, Would He?

by Rich Deem

Introduction

Atheists often claim that Christianity could not be true because a loving God1 would not send billions of people to hell.2 Although this seems logically valid at first glance, it makes some assumptions that are not true for the God of the Bible. Many atheists claim that those who have never heard of Jesus Christ should not be forced to go to hell. This issue is dealt with in depth on another page.

True love is not permissive

The first false assumption is that love allows the object of that love to do whatever he or she wants. However, this permissive kind of "love" isn't really love at all. Any of you who are parents will recognize that allowing your children to do whatever they want to do is not loving at all. If you were to do this, your children would grow up to be spoiled selfish brats, incapable of loving other people. Permissive gods, who are caught up in their own intrigues, and so allow humans to do whatever they want without repercussions, are found in the pagan religions. However, the God of the Bible wants us to love Him and other people above everything else we do.3

God's moral laws have a purpose

The Creator God of the universe is obviously a God of order. The laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that we can calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousands to millions of years into the future. Would a God of this kind of precision design moral laws that are random or changing? It doesn't seem likely or consistent with the character of the Creator that we know from the reality of the creation. Therefore, it seems likely that unchanging moral laws are consistent with the God of creation. The Bible says that the moral laws are consistent with the character of God.4 Therefore, the main purpose of the moral laws are to teach us what God requires for us to enter into His kingdom. The moral laws also allow us to live with each other on earth without hurting each other. In fact, if we all perfectly fulfilled the moral laws of God, we would be in perfect harmony with each other. Our failure to fulfill God's moral laws leads us to seek Him as the source of our salvation.

God's creation of free will beings must allow for the possibility of rejecting God completely

Since God created spiritual beings for the purpose of expressing love, those beings must have complete free will in order to express that love. Of course, free will allows for the possibility of those beings rejecting God and His plans. Unfortunately, most people do not agree that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them. In fact, the vast majority of people want to run their own lives without submitting to God at all. Somehow, they feel that God will just let them into heaven because they have behaved about as good, and maybe even better, compared to the rest of the people on earth. The problem with this idea is that God does not grade on the curve. All who enter God's kingdom must be absolutely holy, since no sin is allowed in God's presence. In addition, people must be willing to allow God to prevent them from sinning ever again, since there is no sin in heaven. This means that people must be willing to submit fully to God's will in order to get into heaven. Of course, all humans fall short of God's moral requirements. Therefore, God has made a provision to erase all sins that we have committed in this life and to perfect us so that we cannot sin in the next life. That provision for sin is through the sacrifice of God's son, Jesus Christ. Jesus took the punishment that we deserve and gives us the reward that we do not deserve - eternal life. In accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, all our sins are erased, and Jesus works to change us into His image (if we allow Him to do so).

People prefer hell over complete submission to God

So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow them all into heaven? It would actually be more cruel if God were to do this, since many people prefer hell to the alternative (complete submission to God). All the people who end up going to hell will have done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy.

Conclusion

At this time in history, there is more evidence demonstrating the existence of God than at any time in the past. Much of that evidence is presented on this site. In addition, there are missionaries throughout the world proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ and the salvation that He offers as a free gift. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness, and pride. Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven, those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.


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Related Pages
•What will happen to the people who have never heard of Jesus Christ?
•What Will Heaven be Like?
•What Will Hell be Like?
•The Bible Says Hell is a Place Located Under the Earth: An Atheists' Myth
•Did God Create Evil - Does the Bible Say So?
•Did God Commit Atrocities by Ordering the Killing of Entire Cities of People?
•The Mercy of God as Found in the Old Testament
•Thou Shall Not Kill- Does God Violate His Own Commandment?
•If God is Jealous Doesn't That Make Him the Divine Hypocrite?
•There is Too Much Evil and Suffering For God to Exist?
•Is it Possible for God to Provide 'Partial Free Will' and Eliminate All Evil?
•God's Chosen People, the Jews: Isn't God Unfair in Showing Such Preference?
•Does the Bible Say God Repents From Doing Evil?

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References
1.But I trust in Your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in Your salvation. (Psalm 13:5)
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:16)
And we have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. (1 John 4:16)
2."And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)
"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell?" (Matthew 23:33)
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
3.When Jesus was asked what was the most important rule, He replied that they were relationships:
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" (Matthew 22:36)
And He [Jesus] said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)
4.Judge me, O LORD my God, according to Thy righteousness; And do not let them rejoice over me. (Psalm 35:24)
And the heavens declare His righteousness, For God Himself is judge. Selah. (Psalm 50:6)
For Thy righteousness, O God, reaches to the heavens, Thou who hast done great things; O God, who is like Thee? (Psalm 71:19)
But the LORD of hosts will be exalted in judgment, And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness. (Isaiah 5:16)

No such state exists. Psalm 139 says God is even in "hell" (sheol), and Revelation 14 says those in the lake of fire will be in the presence of the Lamb.

the bible has a lot of double speak contradictions.

Is the pope the sickest looking freak you ever seen.

I always thought he looked like the evil emperor in star wars.

sick, i love god but what they be sellin ain't it.

That's impossible - Richie says you love your sins too much!

Careful whom you choose to speak against lest in day of judgment you find your name not written in book of life, for I say to you if you speak against a lier nothing shall happen but if you speak against the truth then you condemn yourself in doing so. I am the WORD ye seek to praise but ye being evil can not see the Light before you. I was sharing specific knowledge I have told others many times they can only be saved in my name which is Jesus Christ I am the same spirit whom descended to bottom of Hell to pay the debts of all worlds in my own sufferings and have now returned as promised to ascend from earth which shall shake it like mankind has never seen and in that day the clouds shall roll up like a scroll and all eyes shall know I am He for thunder and lightning shall fill the world.

I am of the Father and what you would consider God and I tell you not all scripture was from us, wether you believe me or not maters not to me but be warned to act in judgement when ye know not shall have consequences, for I do hold the book of life and can edit it if I choose. Repent of your insult against us for what also spoke was the true Holyspirit ye spoke as a serpent and shall suffer as one if do not repent.

The Devil was not our creation evil has always existed eternally the scripture which said God created evil was a lie of the devil that is one example of him changing things, many shall say to me in last day "Lord did we not speak in your name and prophecy in your name and do works in your name" I will say to them I know ye not get away from me ye whom works in your own iniquity. Being a Christian does not promise salvation for it requires more than just believing I existed. I told people be as perfect as my Father whom in heaven is, I see many hypocrites whom call themself followers of Christ, ye they do opposite to what I taught and their hearts are far from me.

+100

I enjoy your posts.