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I drove a GM vehicle for the first time in 15 years... check this out...

 
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11/27/2012 10:46 AM
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I don't know if Jeep is GM or not, but I drive a 20 year old jeep cherokee 4x4 and it runs great, should go to about 300k miles.

New cars are junk.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


not GM

1944–1953: Willys-Overland
1953–1964: Kaiser-Jeep (calling themselves "Willys Motors")
1964–1970: Kaiser-Jeep
1970–1987: AMC (w/ Renault controlling production in 1986)
1987–1998: Chrysler
1998–2007: DaimlerChrysler AG
2007–2009: Chrysler LLC
2009–present: Chrysler Group LLC
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339701


I'd love to know which year jeeps were the best built because I"m actually looking to pick up another one. Great cars built to last. No frills, not pretty or comfortable really, just a solid work horse which is good enough for me.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


As a car guy and former Jeep technician, I'd recommend a 1992 XJ Cherokee. That was just about the best one ever made.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24168145


1992? That year was significantly better then later years?

I appreciate any advice you can offer.

hf
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not GM

1944–1953: Willys-Overland
1953–1964: Kaiser-Jeep (calling themselves "Willys Motors")
1964–1970: Kaiser-Jeep
1970–1987: AMC (w/ Renault controlling production in 1986)
1987–1998: Chrysler
1998–2007: DaimlerChrysler AG
2007–2009: Chrysler LLC
2009–present: Chrysler Group LLC
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339701


I'd love to know which year jeeps were the best built because I"m actually looking to pick up another one. Great cars built to last. No frills, not pretty or comfortable really, just a solid work horse which is good enough for me.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


My son just bought a '98 Grand Cherokee 5.2, leather interior, 4x4, they are good solid vehicles but like gas...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I have had two 2 door wranglers, one Grand Cherokee, and now own a 4 door Wrangler X (rubi). We are ordering our SECOND Wrangler X (rubi) ... its on the assembly line now. Besides Jeeps we also like Hyundais. Depdendable vehicles all of them.

Jeeps do like Gas though, lol.

If you've not test driven the new Grand Cherokee 4x4 with the 8 cylicnder Hemi ... you're missing out. VROOM.
 Quoting: tandym


We would like to have a wrangler, but they aren't practical for our needs right now.

Nice looking vehicles tho!

hf
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11/27/2012 10:55 AM

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after driving nissan's and dodges for the last 30 years.

i just bought my first ford

it's a fine vehicle. i'm liking it ... but it's taking some time getting used to the 6 cyl ... my last suv had a 360, lots of power but boy did it suck gas.

i'd definately buy another ford
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11/27/2012 10:59 AM
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not GM

1944–1953: Willys-Overland
1953–1964: Kaiser-Jeep (calling themselves "Willys Motors")
1964–1970: Kaiser-Jeep
1970–1987: AMC (w/ Renault controlling production in 1986)
1987–1998: Chrysler
1998–2007: DaimlerChrysler AG
2007–2009: Chrysler LLC
2009–present: Chrysler Group LLC
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339701


I'd love to know which year jeeps were the best built because I"m actually looking to pick up another one. Great cars built to last. No frills, not pretty or comfortable really, just a solid work horse which is good enough for me.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


As a car guy and former Jeep technician, I'd recommend a 1992 XJ Cherokee. That was just about the best one ever made.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24168145


1992? That year was significantly better then later years?

I appreciate any advice you can offer.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yeah sure. I found the 88-92 Xj almost completely trouble free. 90% of the ones from those years only ever came in for just routine maintenance. In 93 build quality went way down from where it was before. I think it had something to do with the rush to release the ZJ. I think XJ quality went back up during the Daimler-Benz years. XJ with a 4.0 liter engine is my suggestion.
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11/27/2012 11:02 AM
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Back in 99 I bought the wife a new Grad Cherokee Laredo, at 14000k miles the rotors had to be turned. At 25000 miles (2002) I had to install new rotors, 3 years/piad out of pocket.

Again with 41200 miles again new rotors. At 45000 miles the main bearing in the read shattered, they had no explanation as to why?

Less than 1000 miles later the engine cooling fan (again bearings) unit had to be replaced. In 4.5 years that she had the piece of junk, I spent over $2300.00 for items that should not have wore out.

Then after trading the piece of junk in, 8 months later Jeep announced a recall for the brakes. I contacted the dealer (bought and maintenance) to request copies of all work they had done, I wanted to reimbursed for the monies I spent on the brakes.

As I was told, they purge all information once the vehicle is resold. Was screwed out of $1300 dollars.

In 1996 I bought the wife a new Grand Am, less than 600 miles the tranny internals shattered. Told they never seen anything like it, then traded it in for the jeep, again nothing but crap.

So in 2004 purchased a 4 Runner, best decision vehicle wise I ever made. Still have it and plan to.
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I'd love to know which year jeeps were the best built because I"m actually looking to pick up another one. Great cars built to last. No frills, not pretty or comfortable really, just a solid work horse which is good enough for me.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


As a car guy and former Jeep technician, I'd recommend a 1992 XJ Cherokee. That was just about the best one ever made.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24168145


1992? That year was significantly better then later years?

I appreciate any advice you can offer.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yeah sure. I found the 88-92 Xj almost completely trouble free. 90% of the ones from those years only ever came in for just routine maintenance. In 93 build quality went way down from where it was before. I think it had something to do with the rush to release the ZJ. I think XJ quality went back up during the Daimler-Benz years. XJ with a 4.0 liter engine is my suggestion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24168145


Thank you

hf
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11/27/2012 11:08 AM
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after driving nissan's and dodges for the last 30 years.

i just bought my first ford

it's a fine vehicle. i'm liking it ... but it's taking some time getting used to the 6 cyl ... my last suv had a 360, lots of power but boy did it suck gas.

i'd definately buy another ford
 Quoting: Minnie Kitty


I agree Ford makes a good ride. My stang has 330 HP that gets 29 mpg and not one issue in 100K miles
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11/27/2012 11:09 AM

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LOL.....yea it's true. I could buy a more gas efficient small SUV like a KIA or something like that, but my husband says they are junk and to stick with the older model jeeps.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


good advice
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1339701


Diesel Cherokee (and others?) are coming in 2014...

[link to www.greencarreports.com]

The 3.0-liter, turbocharged diesel develops 241 horsepower and 406 pounds-feet of torque, and in its current application is paired with a five-speed automatic transmission. An eight-speed auto is rumored, but it's unclear whether the diesel will use this transmission.

The EcoDiesel engine should allow the Grand Cherokee to achieve up to 33 mpg on the highway, and 23 mpg city, with the five-speed.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


These have been available in Europe for years now.
About time they bacame available in the states.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Please ignore the German flag, I am an American.

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
DILKe

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11/27/2012 11:14 AM

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The 1999 Trans Am that carries me into Ankh Morpork and back to the estate each day has over 300,000 miles on the original LS1 and T56 transmission.

The Royal Mechanic has informed me that besides the routine oil and filter changes, serpentine belt replacements, air filter cleanings, tire replacements, etc., the following events have occurred since the vehicle's purchase:

Replaced spark plugs at 100,000.
Replaced struts and shocks are 145,000.
Replaced clutch and pressure plate at 165,000.
Replaced windshield at 170,000.(excessive stone chips)
Rebuilt rear differential at 175,000.(wheel bearings, pinion bearing, carrier bearings, new pinion and drive gear)
Replaced spark plugs again at 200,000.
Repainted vehicle at 210,000.
Replaced one broken beehive valvespring at 240,000.
Replaced windshield at 280,000. (more stone chips)
Replaced stock struts and shocks with Bilstein equipment at 285,000.
Replaced the starter at 288,000.
Replaced rack & pinion, power steering pump and all hydraulic lines at 295,000.

The vehicle was paid off in 2004.

It does not burn oil to this day, and tests show high and nearly equal compression at all 8 cylinders.
I would have to say that the cost of maintenance and upkeep has been worth the effort over buying a new vehicle.

For what its worth, a new GM LS6 crate engine is in storage in the royal garage awaiting the eventuality of the LS1 being retired permanently.

GM computer controlled LS1 and downstream LSx engines are worthy of serious kudos to the GM engineers of that era.
Mayhap they've all retired, and less capable men are now trying to fill their shoes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 280454


I dont think anyone is doubting the LSx motor. It's pretty stout and can take some serious power adders with ease.

I'm happy with my lifted '02 Jeep WJ with 4.7 V8 and the NV247 transfer case with front and rear limited slip. Plenty of power with a smooth ride and the solid front and rear axles are beefy.

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I have driven Chevy trucks since 1991. I now drive a 2011 Silverado. I don't see what the Chevy haters are going on about. All vehicles have problems. I think trying to bash all of GM products because of one experience in a rental is rather ignorant. My Chevy is not as fast as a Dodge, doesn't pull as hard as a Ford, yet it is WHAT I WANT TO DRIVE. I LIKE MY SILVERADO.
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11/27/2012 06:25 PM
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Oil burns blue, you were just seeing steam...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Actually, an engine's oil will burn either White or Blue depending on the problem.

White smoke at start-up and (sometimes) during idle, is the sign of leaky Valve-Stems. Leaky Vale-Steams are common among Chevy vehicles.
 Quoting: Poker


Incorrect. Oil combusts the same every time. Sure, it'll burn "white" if coolant is introduced to the mix.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17952489


Are you that Fucking Stupid?

Read it again: "Actually, an engine's oil will burn either White or Blue depending on the (Engine's) problem."

Coolant mixing with Oil is an engine problem dumb ass. You literally 'corrected' me by saying the same damn thing I did.

ahole
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11/27/2012 06:40 PM
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if you don't mind paying a bit more for petrol and want a big luxury car on a low budget, get a Lexus LS400 ....

best kept secret in the motoring industry
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11/27/2012 06:50 PM

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Cars suck.
LVX!
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11/27/2012 07:01 PM
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Re: I drove a GM vehicle for the first time in 15 years... check this out...
2012 Chevy Traverse...
8,200 miles (rental car)

Nice Looking
Nicely Equipped
Had the ride of a dump truck
Transmission Slipped, hit the gas to pass and the engine surged, then the transmission would hunt for the proper gear...
Oh and I am not kidding about this.... It was burning oil...
White smoke at idle, just a little bit... stomp on the gas and POOF... a belch of white smoke, just for a second...

Are you GM fanboys really that stupid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28375544


Your full of shit and a poor liar.
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11/27/2012 07:05 PM
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The Traverse is a piece of junk like all Toyotas and other rice burners. But GM makes other vehicles that are top of the line in quality.
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I drive a Silverado for the same reason that I used to drive Audi's. I like the way it makes me feel when I go down the road. As long as it's reasonably reliable that is all I care about.

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