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Lips Of Lucifer

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He doesn't say the universe is nothing.

He says it could have arisen from nothing. I guess that with the basic physical laws of conservation of mass + energy, momentum, angular momentum, charge etc. one can get this from that.

He also says that "nothing" contains energy.
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The other side of the argument is there is no such thing as "nothing" or it is all connected. The Higgs boson Particle "God/Last Particle"...remember how we all chuckled at that Hollywood scene...

The 'facts' might be that there is a Macro Eternity and A Micro Eternity...like the native Americans Believed...a great Circular movement of it ALL...the Stars back this observation. ...and it is connected to all things great and small...The Butterfly effect...Imagine life eternal with this theory, then death becomes a fantasy. Western culture (Time) is based on a Linear concept (beginning and end)...what a blasphemous Belief...evil beyond words imo..
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He doesn't say the universe is nothing.

He says it could have arisen from nothing. I guess that with the basic physical laws of conservation of mass + energy, momentum, angular momentum, charge etc. one can get this from that.

He also says that "nothing" contains energy.
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that: "the Universe arose from a mathematical point"
(which has no extension in space or time, and is the
closest thing to "nothing" that you can get, while
still being something.) has been one of the fundamental
tenets of the Big Bang Theory, since 1938, when they
first started talking about it.
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If everything, that is something, can be placed into the nothingness then the nothingness has to be something else!

5a

Mystery solved.
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If everything, that is something, can be placed into the nothingness then the nothingness has to be something else!

5a

Mystery solved.
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You Madam/Sir get it!!!

moshpit

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!

For you my Friend

A message from God!

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well, since it all arose from nothing, then, in that sense,
all of this, therefore, must be nothing.

QED
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so, all of a sudden, like, all of you God tards want
to turn nothing into something

sheeesh. what a bunch of retards. morons.
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Nothing is still something. Otherwise the mind would not be able to grasp it.
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Even nothing is something.
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I like your atttude!

rockon


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So next time someone tells you : YOU'RE NOTHING !
You can tell him one of two things :
You're right
or
At least it's something

Hardy har har

gwdance
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the body is NOTHING, but waves of energy, as is all matter, but what is YOU is your MIND. Your invisible MIND. Yea are Gods. You THINK and create realities.
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What realities do you personally think and create? Can you provide a concrete example?
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If everything, that is something, can be placed into the nothingness then the nothingness has to be something else!

5a

Mystery solved.
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You Madam/Sir get it!!!

moshpit

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!

For you my Friend

A message from God!

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Whahaha...youth sentiment right there!

But im a dutchman living in france :)
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Funny how religious turds label anything that does not fit into their box as 'atheism'. Tiny thoughts for tiny minds. It is possible to accept the Nothing as God...but back to church with you, slave.
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Funny how atheist dogmatic turds cling to any stupid idea as long as it goes against Christian scripture.
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Funny how religious turds label anything that does not fit into their box as 'atheism'. Tiny thoughts for tiny minds. It is possible to accept the Nothing as God...but back to church with you, slave.
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Same as its even funnier not one athiest has yet been able to refute the existence of God.by the way anything we dont understand is a MYSTERY same with cosmologists.
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You can't be serious...you are a total moron. Here is nothing, and if god for example represents nothing because he does not exist, prove that nothing (he) does exist??? Ass fucking backwards logic.
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'Here is nothing'. That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard in my life LOL.
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Funny how religious turds label anything that does not fit into their box as 'atheism'. Tiny thoughts for tiny minds. It is possible to accept the Nothing as God...but back to church with you, slave.
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Same as its even funnier not one athiest has yet been able to refute the existence of God.by the way anything we dont understand is a MYSTERY same with cosmologists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28090785


You can't be serious...you are a total moron. Here is nothing, and if god for example represents nothing because he does not exist, prove that nothing (he) does exist??? Ass fucking backwards logic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 744032


'Here is nothing'. That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard in my life LOL.
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Maybe he means, amerika is made of nothing?

:p
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i bet Nobody would have a lot to say about this topic.
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Same as its even funnier not one athiest has yet been able to refute the existence of God.by the way anything we dont understand is a MYSTERY same with cosmologists.
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You can't be serious...you are a total moron. Here is nothing, and if god for example represents nothing because he does not exist, prove that nothing (he) does exist??? Ass fucking backwards logic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 744032


'Here is nothing'. That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard in my life LOL.
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Maybe he means, amerika is made of nothing?

:p
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No that is not nice, we are ALL someting made of nothing.grinning
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This is what I enjoy more :o)

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You can't be serious...you are a total moron. Here is nothing, and if god for example represents nothing because he does not exist, prove that nothing (he) does exist??? Ass fucking backwards logic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 744032


'Here is nothing'. That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard in my life LOL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17926316


Maybe he means, amerika is made of nothing?

:p
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No that is not nice, we are ALL someting made of nothing.grinning
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Oh yes I forgot. I'm a little confused though. What exactly is this 'nothing' that can somehow create a universe.
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I can't say I know anything - perhaps I know nothing. But I like to simplify things in my own mind and I have thought about this and this is my attempt to make sense of this.

To me God is not an external entity "out there" somewhere. To me everything is God i.e. all is inside of God, everything is God, the Universe is God, God is The Source.

Of course I am referring to the true God, The All and not the entity(s) created by man to control man.

To simplify this alchemical/sprititual process: God = +1 + -1 = 0 (Solve et Coagula)

+1: Everything "positive" in you, your personal life, your family life, your race, your country, the earth, the solar system, the universe, etc...

-1: Everything "negative" in your personal life.. (see above)

+1 + -1 / -1 + +1: Duality, male vs female, etc...

0: the source, beautiful nothingness, equilibrium, all knowingness, mentality, non-duality, hermaphroditic (both male and female), wholeness, God...

In my mind the above adheres to all the hermetic principles:
1. The Principle of Mentalism.
2. The Principle of Correspondence.
3. The Principle of Vibration.
4. The Principle of Polarity.
5. The Principle of Rhythm.
6. The Principle of Cause and Effect.
7. The Principle of Gender.

So, yes, I agree, the universe is indeed made of nothing. In a sense we/everything came from the Source (nothingness) and to the Source shall we/everything return...
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If everything, that is something, can be placed into the nothingness then the nothingness has to be something else!

5a

Mystery solved.
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You Madam/Sir get it!!!

moshpit

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!

For you my Friend

A message from God!

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


Whahaha...youth sentiment right there!

But im a dutchman living in france :)
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It's the place for great ideas that change the world...

Anguish

Is it possible that She will have me forgiven for ambitions continually crushed,--
that an affluent end will make up for the ages of indigence,--
that a day of success will lull us to sleep on the shame of our fatal incompetence?
(O palms! diamond!-- Love! strength!-- higher than all joys and all fame!--
in any case, everywhere-- demon, god,-- Youth of this being: myself!)
That the accidents of scientific wonders and the movements of social brotherhood
will be cherished as the progressive restitution of our original freedom?...
But the Vampire who makes us behave orders us to enjoy ourselves
with what she leaves us, or in other words to be more amusing.
Rolled in our wounds through the wearing air and the sea;
in torments through the silence of the murderous waters and air;
in tortures that laugh in the terrible surge of their silence.
Arthur Rimbaud


Better in French my Mom says...
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I can't say I know anything - perhaps I know nothing. But I like to simplify things in my own mind and I have thought about this and this is my attempt to make sense of this.

To me God is not an external entity "out there" somewhere. To me everything is God i.e. all is inside of God, everything is God, the Universe is God, God is The Source.

Of course I am referring to the true God, The All and not the entity(s) created by man to control man.

To simplify this alchemical/sprititual process: God = +1 + -1 = 0 (Solve et Coagula)

+1: Everything "positive" in you, your personal life, your family life, your race, your country, the earth, the solar system, the universe, etc...

-1: Everything "negative" in your personal life.. (see above)

+1 + -1 / -1 + +1: Duality, male vs female, etc...

0: the source, beautiful nothingness, equilibrium, all knowingness, mentality, non-duality, hermaphroditic (both male and female), wholeness, God...

In my mind the above adheres to all the hermetic principles:
1. The Principle of Mentalism.
2. The Principle of Correspondence.
3. The Principle of Vibration.
4. The Principle of Polarity.
5. The Principle of Rhythm.
6. The Principle of Cause and Effect.
7. The Principle of Gender.

So, yes, I agree, the universe is indeed made of nothing. In a sense we/everything came from the Source (nothingness) and to the Source shall we/everything return...
 Quoting: Falcifer


"God = +1 +1 -1= 0"

Wow....just wow. Can you get any more nonsensical?
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The "nothing" never existed, and that the "already existing" has always existed.
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Second statement: If ever in the; past the total "nothing" had
existed, it would have been permanent.

Submission: The total "nothing" was not permanent.

Second conclusion: The "already existing" has always existed and is infinite in time; the total "nothing" has never existed.
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if you ones would check out Walter Russell, who are so "resistant" to this concept, you would be greatly rewarded with new knowledge. Its in your hands. And the dumb comments of ignorance would END. I am outta here now.

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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see what paying for college gets you?
the real reason most people on this planet are the most ignorant gullible people that have ever lived is a little thing called the

TELL-LIE-VISION

television

when you watch it, you put the I(you) in television and you get tel(i)evision

tell lie vision
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"God = +1 +1 -1= 0"

Wow....just wow. Can you get any more nonsensical?



That's not what was said. "God = +1 + -1 = 0" was said
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Those String-Theory freaks are only geometrization maniacs. They think anything is geometry because they are math-nerds.
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While I don't agree with the deductions made from string theory per se, and it is true that anyone looking for coincidence will find it...

Everything is math. Everything fundamentally comes down to a binary system of 0\1, yes\no, left\right, nothing\something. Yin and yang. Everything is about patterns and sequence.
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I think I'll plant this here before I return to the Mother Ship.

The Human Animal is unified in one respect... and that is its search for Beauty. This path diverges terminally at the source. One path is Beauty in objects (Children of the 'Book'), and the other is beauty in Life (Children of the Light/'Love') One truth for now is we are stuck here with each other.

Night

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If you religious fucktards could go find your own sand box to play where you can talk fairy tales that would be great
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Let me get this straight...you are telling people who believe in what you call "fairytales" to fuck off...so that you can discuss how the universe is made of nothing...am I understanding this correctly? Can you possibly be as stupid as you sound?
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One can make nice patterns and ideas and until they relate to measurable quantities, they don't do much. That's where string theory still is, although a lot of really smart people feel it contains truth.

Krauss is talking about actual measurable things.

When he says "nothing" he means a describable space that contains no "stuff" but does contain energy. If one took that energy and converted it to matter (E = m c^2) could you then evacuate it somewhere else and end up with space that contains no energy and no matter?

Probably there's some limit on when you can or can't do the energy to mass conversion -- the conditions for it to occur wouldn't be present in "nothing".



NESTED UNIVERSES

He says that if a new universe were created in the palm of your hand, you couldn't watch it develop because it would immediately become a black hole, hence unobservable from the outside. Let's imagine that happening and call it the "inner universe", the one we're standing in is the "outer universe". So we have nested universes.

I guess the reason the i.u. would form a black hole is because it would be negligibly small but with positive energy or mass (enough for a big bang).

So consider this new inner universe after its own big bang. It is expanding within its own space, although all this is unobservable from the o.u., me standing there looking at my palm to see what's going on.

But now since it's a black hole, some of the mass from o.u. might get sucked into it. I might even get sucked in. The mass that is sucked in would reappear as mass or energy in i.u.

So now, if WE are in an i.u. which looks like a black hole to some even more-outer universe, isn't it possible that new matter or energy is appearing as if "by magic"? Wonder how it appears.

As mass is added, it causes contraction. But if it's energy, it would cause expansion. And yet, by general relativity, mass and energy can convert from one to the other. Does this happen in a way to balance or control the expansion rate of the universe?
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Those String-Theory freaks are only geometrization maniacs. They think anything is geometry because they are math-nerds.
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While I don't agree with the deductions made from string theory per se, and it is true that anyone looking for coincidence will find it...

Everything is math. Everything fundamentally comes down to a binary system of 0\1, yes\no, left\right, nothing\something. Yin and yang. Everything is about patterns and sequence.
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Every decent physical theory is expressed in math. That's why Krauss is sometimes search for words. He knows the concept mathematically, physically, but he has to make his brain translate that into a rough English representation.

In my opinion, math is the language of God. Well maybe music too. But not English or French or Chinese.
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Krauss is strictly talking about physics. Some religious concepts can exist quite apart from that. If the mind and/or spirit (or heaven or hell for that matter) are separate from physically measurable quantities, then his theories say nothing about them.

So he describes the 4 billion year evolution of live biological creatures on Earth, but he says nothing about anything "extra" in our humanity. Is there a spiritual difference between apes and humans? He expresses no opinion on it, and the fact that he doesn't even bother to acknowledge that limitation is a flaw in my opinion. One should define the scope of one's "universe" of discussion.
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Those String-Theory freaks are only geometrization maniacs. They think anything is geometry because they are math-nerds.
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While I don't agree with the deductions made from string theory per se, and it is true that anyone looking for coincidence will find it...

Everything is math. Everything fundamentally comes down to a binary system of 0\1, yes\no, left\right, nothing\something. Yin and yang. Everything is about patterns and sequence.
 Quoting: Brian Moser


Every decent physical theory is expressed in math. That's why Krauss is sometimes search for words. He knows the concept mathematically, physically, but he has to make his brain translate that into a rough English representation.

In my opinion, math is the language of God. Well maybe music too. But not English or French or Chinese.
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Music is very numerical as well. I mean rhythm is just a frequency of occurrence and melody only has tone when intervals are created between notes. It's very visual to some people the same way geometry is to others.

While I'm a bit apprehensive about using the word "God" (so as not to confuse the belief with a specific anthropomorphized interpretation of a higher power), I think math is the language used to explain an infinitely consistent form of perfect order. Same thing, I suppose.
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One can make nice patterns and ideas and until they relate to measurable quantities, they don't do much. That's where string theory still is, although a lot of really smart people feel it contains truth.

Krauss is talking about actual measurable things.

When he says "nothing" he means a describable space that contains no "stuff" but does contain energy. If one took that energy and converted it to matter (E = m c^2) could you then evacuate it somewhere else and end up with space that contains no energy and no matter?

Probably there's some limit on when you can or can't do the energy to mass conversion -- the conditions for it to occur wouldn't be present in "nothing".



NESTED UNIVERSES

He says that if a new universe were created in the palm of your hand, you couldn't watch it develop because it would immediately become a black hole, hence unobservable from the outside. Let's imagine that happening and call it the "inner universe", the one we're standing in is the "outer universe". So we have nested universes.

I guess the reason the i.u. would form a black hole is because it would be negligibly small but with positive energy or mass (enough for a big bang).

So consider this new inner universe after its own big bang. It is expanding within its own space, although all this is unobservable from the o.u., me standing there looking at my palm to see what's going on.

But now since it's a black hole, some of the mass from o.u. might get sucked into it. I might even get sucked in. The mass that is sucked in would reappear as mass or energy in i.u.

So now, if WE are in an i.u. which looks like a black hole to some even more-outer universe, isn't it possible that new matter or energy is appearing as if "by magic"? Wonder how it appears.

As mass is added, it causes contraction. But if it's energy, it would cause expansion. And yet, by general relativity, mass and energy can convert from one to the other. Does this happen in a way to balance or control the expansion rate of the universe?
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If our universe were a black hole and sucking in matter/etc. perhaps that could be an alternative theory to explain the expansion of our universe. The expansion is actually more matter being added. Think of it like a ballon expanding and from our perspective (which is always the "center") space is expanding, which it is.

Last Edited by Person445 on 11/27/2012 05:34 PM