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The 47% Have No Clue As To How Much The "Free Healthcare" Will Really Cost Them

 
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Article is written by a doctor--lays out the true impact on those who thought it was all going to be "free."

"...All Americans also have to pay the hidden regulatory taxes. ObamaCare will have tens of thousands of pages of rules. Compliance will be so costly that most independent physicians may close their doors.

Beyond tax increases, expensive employer mandates, or simple uncertainty about what the rules will be, will cost untold numbers of jobs. As more people are forced onto Medicaid, access to care will worsen. Obama’s “accountable care organizations” will incentivize “providers” to cut services to Medicare beneficiaries. So even the current beneficiaries of entitlement programs, a big chunk of the 47%, will be harmed by ObamaCare...."



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They'll put more people on medicaid but will cut what medicaid covers. States will have to pick up the services that medicaid no longer covers, or deny services. Nursing homes and hospitals will be hit pretty hard.
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The New health care law will be like prohibition, no one is going to comply, it's idiocy, they've gone too far, and everyone is no longer listening to them.

Our government has delegitimized themselves.

You can not be a government if no one is following.

Put another way, I will not pay for the blood sacrifice of an evil satanic bill that forces people to purchase the blood of dead infants.

Fuckem
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They'll put more people on medicaid but will cut what medicaid covers. States will have to pick up the services that medicaid no longer covers, or deny services. Nursing homes and hospitals will be hit pretty hard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582762


blah, blah blah, blah blah blah.

Slave making a slave argument.

Refuse to comply.

Put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, and stand up like a man/or woman for once in your life.
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5.63 Trillion dollars of disposable income taken out of the general marketplace to purchase basic health coverage that requires a deductible. Generally, people with deductibles use the healthcare system less than those without deductibles. healthcare loses money, and general marketplace loses money.
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The New health care law will be like prohibition, no one is going to comply, it's idiocy, they've gone too far, and everyone is no longer listening to them.

Our government has delegitimized themselves.

You can not be a government if no one is following.

Put another way, I will not pay for the blood sacrifice of an evil satanic bill that forces people to purchase the blood of dead infants.

Fuckem
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Ah...but the government will ultimately have the right to lock us up for not complying. They've legislated themselves the power to force us to abide by the law.
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so true.

We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years.


This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's.

Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!!

Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80%

WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID.

So now our medical is really really f*cked.

I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy.

But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand.
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People need health care, not health care insurance. This law will not improve health care one bit, and will only limit the quality of health care you recieve...


To fix our health care system, your premiums should go directly to your regional hospital, where it is used for services staff and infrastructure. Your money would remain local, as opposed to the current system, where your money invested away from you and only provides an 85% payback.


Insurance is the problem, obamacare, only makes the problem worse...
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People need health care, not health care insurance. This law will not improve health care one bit, and will only limit the quality of health care you recieve...


To fix our health care system, your premiums should go directly to your regional hospital, where it is used for services staff and infrastructure. Your money would remain local, as opposed to the current system, where your money invested away from you and only provides an 85% payback.


Insurance is the problem, obamacare, only makes the problem worse...
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Well put.
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....but they will....soon enough.


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The 47% Have No Clue As To How Much The "Free Healthcare" Will Really Cost Them
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....but they will....soon enough.


dasheep
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lol
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The state owns your body. They get to say what you can and cannot do to it.

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The state owns your body. They get to say what you can and cannot do to it.

tardtardtard
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When we really understand what's in the Obamacare bill we'll know just how owned we are.

Thanks mods for the pin.
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Yeah. They have no idea it will save them, and this country three trillion dollars over ten years. HUGE bargain.
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You know what will happen, all those loser Obama phone people will get angry then Obama will come out and blame it on some Republican, then when the Republican argues back the administration will say its a war on women which will activate all the weaponized feminazis and all the sheep will go back to sleep.
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[link to medcitynews.com]

Article is written by a doctor--lays out the true impact on those who thought it was all going to be "free."

"...All Americans also have to pay the hidden regulatory taxes. ObamaCare will have tens of thousands of pages of rules. Compliance will be so costly that most independent physicians may close their doors.

Beyond tax increases, expensive employer mandates, or simple uncertainty about what the rules will be, will cost untold numbers of jobs. As more people are forced onto Medicaid, access to care will worsen. Obama’s “accountable care organizations” will incentivize “providers” to cut services to Medicare beneficiaries. So even the current beneficiaries of entitlement programs, a big chunk of the 47%, will be harmed by ObamaCare...."



Read more: [link to medcitynews.com]
 Quoting: telling it straight


It may well cost them their lives.
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" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

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Yeah. They have no idea it will save them, and this country three trillion dollars over ten years. HUGE bargain.
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lmao

You're either joking or you're a brainwashed Obamabot.
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funny people north-americans in the usa.
Probably the only ones in the whole world who fight fiercely against healthcare, unions and labour rights.

mccarthism really got into you, heh.
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Yeah. They have no idea it will save them, and this country three trillion dollars over ten years. HUGE bargain.
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lmao

You're either joking or you're a brainwashed Obamabot.
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Brainwashed and stupid.....which is why they got brainwashed in the first place.

It's sad isn't it?


sheeppeeps
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This is what we voted for....We are going to suck the middle class dry....you work for us now bitches...




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so true.

We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years.


This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's.

Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!!

Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80%

WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID.

So now our medical is really really f*cked.

I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy.

But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27704375


100 percent agree. 7 days after I lost my insurance I had to have emergency surgery... go figure. As for the high deductible health plan.... Never again. I'm still in debt from when I was on it.
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[link to medcitynews.com]

Article is written by a doctor--lays out the true impact on those who thought it was all going to be "free."

"...All Americans also have to pay the hidden regulatory taxes. ObamaCare will have tens of thousands of pages of rules. Compliance will be so costly that most independent physicians may close their doors.

Beyond tax increases, expensive employer mandates, or simple uncertainty about what the rules will be, will cost untold numbers of jobs. As more people are forced onto Medicaid, access to care will worsen. Obama’s “accountable care organizations” will incentivize “providers” to cut services to Medicare beneficiaries. So even the current beneficiaries of entitlement programs, a big chunk of the 47%, will be harmed by ObamaCare...."



Read more: [link to medcitynews.com]
 Quoting: telling it straight


In the end americans need to stop bitching...Your 250000 brain surgery will now cost a fuck load less....idiotsstfu
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The 47% could care less about the cost... The 53% will be footing the bill.
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The 47% could care less about the cost... The 53% will be footing the bill.
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You Got That Right....



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funny people north-americans in the usa.
Probably the only ones in the whole world who fight fiercely against healthcare, unions and labour rights.

mccarthism really got into you, heh.
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sad, isn't it - mindrot on a national scale. a few of us didn't succumb, but not nearly enough.
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The 47% could care less about the cost... The 53% will be footing the bill.
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Yes, but when one of the 47% needs a particular procedure that won't be covered, they'll be shit out of luck. Then more and more doctors will go to a cash only basis. They don't want the gov't over their soulders more than they are already. The 47% have probably voted themselves out of decent health care. They've shot themselves in the foot. It's what happens when the sheeple are content to follow rather than taking the time to research.

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This is what we voted for....We are going to suck the middle class dry....you work for us now bitches...




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The middle class seen it coming and just look at those weapon sales! Better get your before it's all gone!
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so true.

We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years.


This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's.

Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!!

Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80%

WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID.

So now our medical is really really f*cked.

I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy.

But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand.
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ah the health bill doesnt take affect til 2014, thats just your precious insurance company raising the cost to cover theyre new houses and yachts hahaha
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so true.

We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years.


This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's.

Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!!

Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80%

WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID.

So now our medical is really really f*cked.

I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy.

But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27704375


I feel your pain, I have a similiar situation. I was very ill a few years back, and since then have always opted for the top tier of the insurance that my company offers. When I started at the company 4 years ago I had the same exact plan- $10 deductible for office visits, $5 or $15 for prescriptions (generic vs name brand) and $0 deductable. When I was hired my insurance was $120/month take out as $60 on each biweekly paycheck. I thought it was an amazing deal actually, after learning what hospitalization can cost without insurance.

We just finished open enrollment for benefits, and I rolled over everything from the previous years, same exact coverage. Except the premium is now $360/month or $180 out of each check. Even though I am earning $6 more per hour than I was 4 years ago, I am taking home LESS than I was when I started. And when ur salary is only around $1400 to begin with, it pinches quite a bit.

The whole system is out of whack for sure, but I don't think Obamacare is the answer. If it was done like other socialist countries then yes, it would work. But medicine is big business that makes a lot of people wealthy and they aren't letting go of that without a fight. When people get into medicine to make money instead of helping people, something is wrong.

I would be pleased to just go back to the way the system was 15 years ago with affordable HMO's through work. But there's too much money to be lost this way.
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The 47% could care less about the cost... The 53% will be footing the bill.
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Yes, but when one of the 47% needs a particular procedure that won't be covered, they'll be shit out of luck. Then more and more doctors will go to a cash only basis. They don't want the gov't over their soulders more than they are already. The 47% have probably voted themselves out of decent health care. They've shot themselves in the foot. It's what happens when the sheeple are content to follow rather than taking the time to research.
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yeah they voted out insurance they couldnt get that is such a smart thing to say
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So a $10 trillion Iraq and Afgan war and a multi trillion dollar banking system collapse due to Republican bank deregulation (sub prime lending being available to anyone regardless of income or taxes) has nothing to do with our countrys imminent bankruptcy.

Now Republicans are dumber than ever, coming back in full force to explain how the rapture will come because of Obamacare because there's simply no money to be made by insurance companies if the government is competing with them. The government is still getting paid for it and you only pay if you use it. Unbelievable how stupid people are

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