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The 47% Have No Clue As To How Much The "Free Healthcare" Will Really Cost Them

 
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Yeah. They have no idea it will save them, and this country three trillion dollars over ten years. HUGE bargain.
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lmao

You're either joking or you're a brainwashed Obamabot.
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the only way it saves money is if the 20 % of patients who suck down 80 % of the healthcare resources , start getting put too sleep.
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Could we please pin more bullshit propaganda? Fucking tards. Its too late tards give it a fucking rest. stfu
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People need health care, not health care insurance. This law will not improve health care one bit, and will only limit the quality of health care you recieve...
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Well put. A lot of people still think this is nationalized health care. It's NOT. It's a mandate to buy private insurance or pay for being uninsured. So you're paying the government for NOT having health care.
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It's going to cost working people a lot. The more you make, the older you are, the more you pay (a lot more).

I just don't see how many working families are going to be able to afford this, they just aren't. It is going to take so much real wealth (labor) out of the economy at the worst possible time, and we all know where it's going.

Have you seen the rates for those of you in your 40s/50s/early-60s that are dual earners? Have you seen the deductibles you'll be paying? It will make you gasp.

After figuring it out, after all is said and done, I'd have to put out 50% of my NET (yes NET) pay on an annual basis just to cover the healthcare insurance premium and transportation expenses (at 51 cents per mile).

Now, add in ONE inpatient hospital visit in a year, and add in the deductible (at my income/age per the calculator). All it would take would be a broken arm, wrist, etc. and there GOES another 25% net.

Worked all year for 25% of my net pay to have healthcare and pay transportation costs. Yep, the whole year.

I'm not even including if the Bush tax cuts expire and the higher tax bracket we're kicked into because I work. I'm afraid to figure that out. And no we are not even close to $200k a year (I wish). I Pray my husband keeps his private insurance...I really do.

I am now actively looking at other ways to earn that measly 25%...so if I have to go Galt (husband loses his private insurance and forced into government program) I can, I will (providing DH continues with his employment). Then I will support my DH instead of the corp., and government parasites.
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In the end americans need to stop bitching...Your 250000 brain surgery will now cost a fuck load less....idiotsstfu
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Could we please pin more bullshit propaganda? Fucking tards. Its too late tards give it a fucking rest. stfu
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So a $10 trillion Iraq and Afgan war and a multi trillion dollar banking system collapse due to Republican bank deregulation (sub prime lending being available to anyone regardless of income or taxes) has nothing to do with our countrys imminent bankruptcy.

Now Republicans are dumber than ever, coming back in full force to explain how the rapture will come because of Obamacare because there's simply no money to be made by insurance companies if the government is competing with them. The government is still getting paid for it and you only pay if you use it. Unbelievable how stupid people are
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shill much, bomo?

i despise your kind and wouldn't spit in your mouth if you were dying of thirst. but i would gladly put a 'boot to your neck", to quote your messiah.
Liberal Logic - Demanding that the government stay out of their bedrooms while insisting on taxpayer funded birth control.
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what's really going to be funny is whn all these 20-something year old shitbags suddenly have to start coughing up a couple thousand a year....

that's when reality will set in.
Liberal Logic - Demanding that the government stay out of their bedrooms while insisting on taxpayer funded birth control.
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11/28/2012 03:32 AM
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Don't you mean the 51% ... since 51% is the ammount of the popular vote Obama won with. So the 47% you speak of must be the miserly that hold the strings to their purses so tight that they suffocate growth and prosperity. Now that they are going pry their hoarded wealth vaults open and redistribute some of their hoarded wealth, in fact they should be thankful we live in this country where they still have a ammpel ammount left unlike other countries that would just commondeir the wealth and incarcerate the wealthy. So be thankful for all you have at least for a moment and do something if you're not .... And you and all your peeps don't have the balls to reclaim what you say is yours by force.... Then politely shut the fuckup with all your loser whining ... If you're not gonna do something don't say something, since all of y'all 47% do a bunch a talkin but tend to fail when backing it up... Here's a thought let the 47% that are the soar losers here go on strike bug out protest and revolt ... Come on do it ... Yeah thought so the majority of soar losers like y'all are puzzys ... Or surprise the world and do what you threatened .... Or again refer to previous statement and politely shut the Fuck Up .,.... Cool
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Would you rather have Paul Ryan, quoting Ayn Rand, and switching welfare off altogether?

Seems like a lot of you have really bought his draconian philosophy.

A measure of civilization is how well a country looks after its own people; this is steadily retrogressing unfortunately, and not just for Americans

Meanwhile, an average business leader now makes 231x what an average worker makes; compared to 1965 when it was a factor of 20.

The same business leaders who employ lobbyists to change your laws!

Still trust politicians?!
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I am sure that 47% are the ones that does not even pay into the system
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Would you rather have Paul Ryan, quoting Ayn Rand, and switching welfare off altogether?

Seems like a lot of you have really bought his draconian philosophy.

A measure of civilization is how well a country looks after its own people; this is steadily retrogressing unfortunately, and not just for Americans

Meanwhile, an average business leader now makes 231x what an average worker makes; compared to 1965 when it was a factor of 20.

The same business leaders who employ lobbyists to change your laws!

Still trust politicians?!
 Quoting: schiehallion


Yea right, ever tried to go to a GP ? they are the most unqualified workers in this planet completely useless, what about 8 months or more waiting list?
Yea gratis if you need to cure a flue but if you have a real problem private is the only solution.
Ops i say they are the worst ... sorry i forgot another sector : The dentist !!! those are even worst .
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They're about to find out. My employer announced just yesterday that our health insurance premiums are jumping 175% next year, although they're subsidizing it for 2013 so that its a mere 50% increase. I'm guessing that a lot of people are going to have similar experiences soon.

The stupid people who supported this and voted for it have screwed us all. Thanks guys.
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what's really going to be funny is whn all these 20-something year old shitbags suddenly have to start coughing up a couple thousand a year....

that's when reality will set in.
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That really is the only part of this I'm looking forward to. I'm related to a few of them who've been soooo superior and preachy about how wonderful "Messiah Obama" is. Well, they're about to find out just how wonderful it's all going to be for them as a result of their stupidity.
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They'll put more people on medicaid but will cut what medicaid covers. States will have to pick up the services that medicaid no longer covers, or deny services. Nursing homes and hospitals will be hit pretty hard.
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blah, blah blah, blah blah blah.

Slave making a slave argument.

Refuse to comply.

Put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, and stand up like a man/or woman for once in your life.
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That opens the door for new business in the healthcare industry, for private insurance providers that would charge less on the premium and cover more of the principal. It may seem like it's going to cost spool much money but anything worth doing is going to cost some thing to do ... How else would it get done , did you expect it to just happen no it takes time and money to get the change we need. Most of that change is going to end up being a well deserved slap in the face to the inner city lower class... They are going to have to realize that if the job doesn't pay enough make a new one. And maybe they'll get off the government tit ...
To those that may complain of the increase outwardly , inwardly have already rationalized it down to how many cafe lattes or what movie not to watch....the ones that haven't got an opinion or don't care because they think oh I'm on assistance the government 'll get it... Well that's what Obama did for this .......... Long he's given thousands in tax returns and rebates ... Increased spending and funding... Essentially providing the inner city lower class recipients in one way the rope ... In another the loaded gun....
Reason being after so many years of receiving free rent food and healthcare , also recieving subsidies from income tax credits from the countless illigitament children ( child bonus on taxes) you should have an ample saved up to pay your own bills start your own companies fund your own comminities develop your own minds .
The sad part (sad because it proves so many stereotypes true of so many)is that after the past four years the average lower class citizens life hasn't improved but in many cases have gotten worse , the prisons are bursting ... The unemoyment and social service offices full and obiesity is on the rise.
Meaning the waste of funds can literally be seen in the fat asses of the unfortunate youth . Think about it if they cant accept the change now and they've bread dumber and less restrained offspring it would only get horribly worse. The opinion of just eliminating the problem has floated around .... But how to identify the problem ? First look at yourself then your family .... Start there .

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They'll put more people on medicaid but will cut what medicaid covers. States will have to pick up the services that medicaid no longer covers, or deny services. Nursing homes and hospitals will be hit pretty hard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582762


blah, blah blah, blah blah blah.

Slave making a slave argument.

Refuse to comply.

Put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, and stand up like a man/or woman for once in your life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26933874


That opens the door for new business in the healthcare industry, for private insurance providers that would charge less on the premium and cover more if the principal.

...

 Quoting: Indego


You live in a dreamworld.
Free market healthcare businesses will not be able to complete with TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED Federal Healthcare.
The government is going to put them all out of business over time. No one will be able to compete with subsidized government healthcare.....much less have NEW STARTUPS come from it.


You are totally DELUSIONAL.

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If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free. - pj o'rourke
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"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
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They'll put more people on medicaid but will cut what medicaid covers. States will have to pick up the services that medicaid no longer covers, or deny services. Nursing homes and hospitals will be hit pretty hard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582762


blah, blah blah, blah blah blah.

Slave making a slave argument.

Refuse to comply.

Put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, and stand up like a man/or woman for once in your life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26933874


That opens the door for new business in the healthcare industry, for private insurance providers that would charge less on the premium and cover more if the principal.

...

 Quoting: Indego


You live in a dreamworld.
Free market healthcare businesses will not be able to complete with TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED Federal Healthcare.
The government is going to put them all out of business over time. No one will be able to compete with subsidized government healthcare.....much less have NEW STARTUPS come from it.


You are totally DELUSIONAL.

padroom
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


That's the thing the outdated way of thinking is to say that the private sector would be in competion with the government , not true . The would work in collaboration with the newly added government programs .
That's how the then newly formed corporations would grow.
Making new business with new jobs and new lives ... That is if they the recipients of these subsidies currently ...did the saving and stock piling of their resources ... But we already know they didn't .
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Yup! That seems to be the problem...Nobody said it's free....first their going to raise our taxes, then your going to pay your monthly fees (Premiums,taxes)or a fine...but you will get a choise...Standard policy 80% deductable, Premium 90% deductable and Premium Plus 100% each step cost more and more and you still have to pay and pay and pay...even if you collect Disablity (SSI,Medicare) you will have to pay. Medicaid, Welfare free. For those that just had to have Socialism for a president. Ain't noth'in free
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Yup! That seems to be the problem...Nobody said it's free....first their going to raise our taxes, then your going to pay your monthly fees (Premiums,taxes)or a fine...but you will get a choise...Standard policy 80% deductable, Premium 90% deductable and Premium Plus 100% each step cost more and more and you still have to pay and pay and pay...even if you collect Disablity (SSI,Medicare) you will have to pay. Medicaid, Welfare free. For those that just had to have Socialism for a president. Ain't noth'in free
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Exactly. How duped and deceived the 47% were!
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blah, blah blah, blah blah blah.

Slave making a slave argument.

Refuse to comply.

Put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, and stand up like a man/or woman for once in your life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26933874


That opens the door for new business in the healthcare industry, for private insurance providers that would charge less on the premium and cover more if the principal.

...

 Quoting: Indego


You live in a dreamworld.
Free market healthcare businesses will not be able to complete with TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED Federal Healthcare.
The government is going to put them all out of business over time. No one will be able to compete with subsidized government healthcare.....much less have NEW STARTUPS come from it.


You are totally DELUSIONAL.

padroom
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


That's the thing the outdated way of thinking is to say that the private sector would be in competion with the government , not true . The would work in collaboration with the newly added government programs .
That's how the then newly formed corporations would grow.
Making new business with new jobs and new lives ... That is if they the recipients of these subsidies currently ...did the saving and stock piling of their resources ... But we already know they didn't .
 Quoting: Indego


You are soooooooooooooooooo naive and gullible. crazy
Watch what happens as Obamacare kicks in.
People like you have to learn the HARD WAY...at our expense of course. grnrolleyes

If this thread were still here I'd come back and rub your face in it too.....just like a bad dog who sh*t in his own waterbowl.


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