The 47% Have No Clue As To How Much The "Free Healthcare" Will Really Cost Them | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26933874 United States 11/27/2012 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The New health care law will be like prohibition, no one is going to comply, it's idiocy, they've gone too far, and everyone is no longer listening to them. Our government has delegitimized themselves. You can not be a government if no one is following. Put another way, I will not pay for the blood sacrifice of an evil satanic bill that forces people to purchase the blood of dead infants. Fuckem |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26933874 United States 11/27/2012 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They'll put more people on medicaid but will cut what medicaid covers. States will have to pick up the services that medicaid no longer covers, or deny services. Nursing homes and hospitals will be hit pretty hard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25582762 blah, blah blah, blah blah blah. Slave making a slave argument. Refuse to comply. Put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, and stand up like a man/or woman for once in your life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25582762 United States 11/27/2012 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 5.63 Trillion dollars of disposable income taken out of the general marketplace to purchase basic health coverage that requires a deductible. Generally, people with deductibles use the healthcare system less than those without deductibles. healthcare loses money, and general marketplace loses money. |
telling it straight (OP) User ID: 1461054 United States 11/27/2012 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The New health care law will be like prohibition, no one is going to comply, it's idiocy, they've gone too far, and everyone is no longer listening to them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26933874 Our government has delegitimized themselves. You can not be a government if no one is following. Put another way, I will not pay for the blood sacrifice of an evil satanic bill that forces people to purchase the blood of dead infants. Fuckem Ah...but the government will ultimately have the right to lock us up for not complying. They've legislated themselves the power to force us to abide by the law. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27704375 United States 11/27/2012 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so true. We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years. This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's. Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!! Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80% WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID. So now our medical is really really f*cked. I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy. But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18151867 United States 11/27/2012 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People need health care, not health care insurance. This law will not improve health care one bit, and will only limit the quality of health care you recieve... To fix our health care system, your premiums should go directly to your regional hospital, where it is used for services staff and infrastructure. Your money would remain local, as opposed to the current system, where your money invested away from you and only provides an 85% payback. Insurance is the problem, obamacare, only makes the problem worse... |
telling it straight (OP) User ID: 1461054 United States 11/27/2012 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People need health care, not health care insurance. This law will not improve health care one bit, and will only limit the quality of health care you recieve... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18151867 To fix our health care system, your premiums should go directly to your regional hospital, where it is used for services staff and infrastructure. Your money would remain local, as opposed to the current system, where your money invested away from you and only provides an 85% payback. Insurance is the problem, obamacare, only makes the problem worse... Well put. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28613082 United Arab Emirates 11/27/2012 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know what will happen, all those loser Obama phone people will get angry then Obama will come out and blame it on some Republican, then when the Republican argues back the administration will say its a war on women which will activate all the weaponized feminazis and all the sheep will go back to sleep. |
anonimalle User ID: 22639794 United States 11/27/2012 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to medcitynews.com] Quoting: telling it straight Article is written by a doctor--lays out the true impact on those who thought it was all going to be "free." "...All Americans also have to pay the hidden regulatory taxes. ObamaCare will have tens of thousands of pages of rules. Compliance will be so costly that most independent physicians may close their doors. Beyond tax increases, expensive employer mandates, or simple uncertainty about what the rules will be, will cost untold numbers of jobs. As more people are forced onto Medicaid, access to care will worsen. Obama’s “accountable care organizations” will incentivize “providers” to cut services to Medicare beneficiaries. So even the current beneficiaries of entitlement programs, a big chunk of the 47%, will be harmed by ObamaCare...." Read more: [link to medcitynews.com] It may well cost them their lives. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
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Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 United States 11/28/2012 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah. They have no idea it will save them, and this country three trillion dollars over ten years. HUGE bargain. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8240773 You're either joking or you're a brainwashed Obamabot. Brainwashed and stupid.....which is why they got brainwashed in the first place. It's sad isn't it? |
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Do you see what I see User ID: 11733952 United States 11/28/2012 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so true. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27704375 We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years. This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's. Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!! Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80% WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID. So now our medical is really really f*cked. I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy. But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand. 100 percent agree. 7 days after I lost my insurance I had to have emergency surgery... go figure. As for the high deductible health plan.... Never again. I'm still in debt from when I was on it. "Things do not happen. Things are made to happen." John F. Kennedy [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1689544 United States 11/28/2012 12:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to medcitynews.com] Quoting: telling it straight Article is written by a doctor--lays out the true impact on those who thought it was all going to be "free." "...All Americans also have to pay the hidden regulatory taxes. ObamaCare will have tens of thousands of pages of rules. Compliance will be so costly that most independent physicians may close their doors. Beyond tax increases, expensive employer mandates, or simple uncertainty about what the rules will be, will cost untold numbers of jobs. As more people are forced onto Medicaid, access to care will worsen. Obama’s “accountable care organizations” will incentivize “providers” to cut services to Medicare beneficiaries. So even the current beneficiaries of entitlement programs, a big chunk of the 47%, will be harmed by ObamaCare...." Read more: [link to medcitynews.com] In the end americans need to stop bitching...Your 250000 brain surgery will now cost a fuck load less....idiots |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25342985 United States 11/28/2012 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | funny people north-americans in the usa. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28583494 Probably the only ones in the whole world who fight fiercely against healthcare, unions and labour rights. mccarthism really got into you, heh. sad, isn't it - mindrot on a national scale. a few of us didn't succumb, but not nearly enough. |
juju User ID: 25664589 United States 11/28/2012 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 47% could care less about the cost... The 53% will be footing the bill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27881645 Yes, but when one of the 47% needs a particular procedure that won't be covered, they'll be shit out of luck. Then more and more doctors will go to a cash only basis. They don't want the gov't over their soulders more than they are already. The 47% have probably voted themselves out of decent health care. They've shot themselves in the foot. It's what happens when the sheeple are content to follow rather than taking the time to research. Last Edited by abrock on 11/28/2012 12:39 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17687147 United States 11/28/2012 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so true. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27704375 We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years. This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's. Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!! Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80% WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID. So now our medical is really really f*cked. I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy. But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand. ah the health bill doesnt take affect til 2014, thats just your precious insurance company raising the cost to cover theyre new houses and yachts hahaha |
KungPowMeowMeow User ID: 27358318 United States 11/28/2012 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so true. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27704375 We are already getting hit. Sadly I am totally all for a "National Healthcare" because I have seen how top notch it really can be. Lived over seas in various countries for 10+ years. This year our normal healthcare, that we paid 450$ a month for (family of 4) used to have a 20$ co-pay for office visits and gave an 80% discount for RX's. Now we have a 3,000$ deductible???!!! Meaning no more co-pay, no more RX help and now you pay full price for everything up to 3,000$ and only THEN will insurance start to pay for stuff and even then it's only 80% WTF? We cant afford that shit. Mind you, this plan costs us THE SAME AS IT EVER DID. So now our medical is really really f*cked. I really really wish I could just tell them to get stuffed and just keep putting that 450$ a month into a savings account for medical. We would have made sooo much money because we are basically pretty healthy. But don't you know, thats when you would have an accident or some crap costing 100 grand. I feel your pain, I have a similiar situation. I was very ill a few years back, and since then have always opted for the top tier of the insurance that my company offers. When I started at the company 4 years ago I had the same exact plan- $10 deductible for office visits, $5 or $15 for prescriptions (generic vs name brand) and $0 deductable. When I was hired my insurance was $120/month take out as $60 on each biweekly paycheck. I thought it was an amazing deal actually, after learning what hospitalization can cost without insurance. We just finished open enrollment for benefits, and I rolled over everything from the previous years, same exact coverage. Except the premium is now $360/month or $180 out of each check. Even though I am earning $6 more per hour than I was 4 years ago, I am taking home LESS than I was when I started. And when ur salary is only around $1400 to begin with, it pinches quite a bit. The whole system is out of whack for sure, but I don't think Obamacare is the answer. If it was done like other socialist countries then yes, it would work. But medicine is big business that makes a lot of people wealthy and they aren't letting go of that without a fight. When people get into medicine to make money instead of helping people, something is wrong. I would be pleased to just go back to the way the system was 15 years ago with affordable HMO's through work. But there's too much money to be lost this way. "Fortune, honour, beauty, youth are but blossoms dying. Wanton pleasures, doting love are but shadows flying." ---Thomas Campion |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17687147 United States 11/28/2012 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 47% could care less about the cost... The 53% will be footing the bill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27881645 Yes, but when one of the 47% needs a particular procedure that won't be covered, they'll be shit out of luck. Then more and more doctors will go to a cash only basis. They don't want the gov't over their soulders more than they are already. The 47% have probably voted themselves out of decent health care. They've shot themselves in the foot. It's what happens when the sheeple are content to follow rather than taking the time to research. yeah they voted out insurance they couldnt get that is such a smart thing to say |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27338521 United States 11/28/2012 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So a $10 trillion Iraq and Afgan war and a multi trillion dollar banking system collapse due to Republican bank deregulation (sub prime lending being available to anyone regardless of income or taxes) has nothing to do with our countrys imminent bankruptcy. Now Republicans are dumber than ever, coming back in full force to explain how the rapture will come because of Obamacare because there's simply no money to be made by insurance companies if the government is competing with them. The government is still getting paid for it and you only pay if you use it. Unbelievable how stupid people are |