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Ashura In Atlanta, GA, USA 11.24.2012 - Video - Muslims beating themselves bloody | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15292827  United States11/27/2012 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28567749 11/27/2012 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23557583 o come on... it's a cultural thing. Like drowning your baby in a river to renew their soul. Yet if a non-muslim parent so much as spanks their child, they can face having the child removed or even jail while slashing their scalps open is OK? Listen OP! The title of the thread is misleading. This is not what muslims do, this is what a tiny minority of Shia community does once a year to remind them of the suffering. Besides, if you wana change the law and stop it, take it up with the authorities. I've been to Philippians and there's a group of Christians who practice exactly the same thing on the streets. They beat themselves up bloody. Anyway, the point is, if you dont like it, do something about it. No use coming here and whining about it. I've traveled all over the muslim world and majority does NOT practice this form of religion. i think we should start deporting muslim butts whether they practice this or not. islam does not fit in the free western world. Actually flagellation was carried out firstly by Christians and in fact JEWS! So kick yourself back to Israel. My Dual citizen. Opus Dei still perform this self purging act.(CATHOLIC) ! |
Bluebird (OP) User ID: 27748381 United States11/27/2012 02:23 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | READ. Do you people not know what atonement is? Do you not know that Christians do this as well? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21467172 Maybe long ago and far away but not in today's downtown Atlanta, they don't. I've also heard of some in the Philippines who crucify themselves for Easter. That also would not be allowed nor accepted today in major U. S. cities. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23557583 United States11/27/2012 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i think we should start deporting muslim butts whether they practice this or not. islam does not fit in the free western world. Quoting: Yea I'll never understand why the Muslims literally get away with murder and the rest of the world has to bend over backwards to not offend them.I say fuck um and their stone age mentality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827 Obviously the freedom of religion exists no more and the age of generalization has begun. Democracy reigns and the destruction shall begin. Law matters no more. Only that people's feelings are acted upon. It does not matter what it does to society... it only matters that you feel better. Egoism dictates action. |
| Daersoulkeeper User ID: 1159767 United States11/27/2012 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nuke the tards the real reason most people on this planet are the most ignorant gullible people that have ever lived is a little thing called the TELL-LIE-VISION television when you watch it, you put the I(you) in television and you get tel(i)evision tell lie vision |
| Bluebird (OP) User ID: 27748381 United States11/27/2012 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually flagellation was carried out firstly by Christians and in fact JEWS! So kick yourself back to Israel. My Dual citizen. Opus Dei still perform this self purging act.(CATHOLIC) ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28567749 And Romans used to feed Christians to the lions, too. Just another of those things civilization has eliminated. And I don't recall any Christian practice of slashing a baby's scalp open and bleeding like that. Ever. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1711362 Canada11/27/2012 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23557583 o come on... it's a cultural thing. Like drowning your baby in a river to renew their soul. Yet if a non-muslim parent so much as spanks their child, they can face having the child removed or even jail while slashing their scalps open is OK? Listen OP! The title of the thread is misleading. This is not what muslims do, this is what a tiny minority of Shia community does once a year to remind them of the suffering. Besides, if you wana change the law and stop it, take it up with the authorities. I've been to Philippians and there's a group of Christians who practice exactly the same thing on the streets. They beat themselves up bloody. Anyway, the point is, if you dont like it, do something about it. No use coming here and whining about it. I've traveled all over the muslim world and majority does NOT practice this form of religion. READ. Do you people not know what atonement is? Do you not know that Christians do this as well? I know what atonement is and I know why the shia do this on ashura day. Its the OP who doesnt know and is freaked out over it. |
| Bluebird (OP) User ID: 27748381 United States11/27/2012 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know what atonement is and I know why the shia do this on ashura day. Its the OP who doesn't know and is freaked out over it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1711362 I know what atonement is as well and these days it usually consists of some form of good deeds rather than self-mutilation or mutilating ones children. And I have to wonder what those little babies could have ever done that they needed their scalps sliced open, some several times, and left bleeding like that. Yeah, they probably have a lot to atone for at less than two years old? Is that what you are suggesting? One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
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| davvi Doe: A Female Rabbit User ID: 3677166 United States11/27/2012 03:37 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Bluebird Yet if a non-muslim parent so much as spanks their child, they can face having the child removed or even jail while slashing their scalps open is OK? Listen OP! The title of the thread is misleading. This is not what muslims do, this is what a tiny minority of Shia community does once a year to remind them of the suffering. Besides, if you wana change the law and stop it, take it up with the authorities. I've been to Philippians and there's a group of Christians who practice exactly the same thing on the streets. They beat themselves up bloody. Anyway, the point is, if you dont like it, do something about it. No use coming here and whining about it. I've traveled all over the muslim world and majority does NOT practice this form of religion. i think we should start deporting muslim butts whether they practice this or not. islam does not fit in the free western world. Actually flagellation was carried out firstly by Christians and in fact JEWS! So kick yourself back to Israel. My Dual citizen. Opus Dei still perform this self purging act.(CATHOLIC) ! i don't care who did it first, but i am concerned who does it last. we have moved into this century, no reason to drag the trash with us. "Arguing with a leftist is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like its victorious." “I am the senator. You are the citizen. You need to be quiet.” Senator Tommy Tucker and your tax dollars at work. Scared yet? The people who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul's support. Obama's Death Panels: Cruel and Unusual punishment for people whose only crime is getting old or getting sick. The IRS used to investigate criminals, under Obama the IRS is the criminal. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23289565 Canada11/27/2012 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] At about 3:50 they bring out the chains and start the self-flagellation and it all gets very bloody! They are lost and ignorant people. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20898323 United States11/27/2012 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] At about 3:50 they bring out the chains and start the self-flagellation and it all gets very bloody! Can we participate? I'l beat the shit out of them for them...no charge ; ) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20898323 United States11/27/2012 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Bluebird Yet if a non-muslim parent so much as spanks their child, they can face having the child removed or even jail while slashing their scalps open is OK? Listen OP! The title of the thread is misleading. This is not what muslims do, this is what a tiny minority of Shia community does once a year to remind them of the suffering. Besides, if you wana change the law and stop it, take it up with the authorities. I've been to Philippians and there's a group of Christians who practice exactly the same thing on the streets. They beat themselves up bloody. Anyway, the point is, if you dont like it, do something about it. No use coming here and whining about it. I've traveled all over the muslim world and majority does NOT practice this form of religion. i think we should start deporting muslim butts whether they practice this or not. islam does not fit in the free western world. Actually flagellation was carried out firstly by Christians and in fact JEWS! So kick yourself back to Israel. My Dual citizen. Opus Dei still perform this self purging act.(CATHOLIC) ! Oh are we going back indefinitely in time? In that case? Well, then your ancestors used to fling shit like monkeys do...you know tens of thousands of years ago. And NO, it didnot begin with Christians...it began with Babolynians. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3584790  France11/27/2012 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Educate yourselves people. 1) 99% don't practice Ashura this way, in most countries they just fast the day and give presents to children. Only a branch of Chiism does. 2) Inflicting oneself suffering has always been a rite of devotion in various sects througout history. Here is an example of what is done by Christians in Philippine : |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28593308 United States11/27/2012 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think one group should be above the law and allowed to do things to children that others would be arrested in a heartbeat for doing. Quoting: Bluebird That's the path to complete destruction of the fabric of society and accepted social contract. No other group is allowed to do what they please in this manner because it is their "culture" or any other reason. It's wrong to inflict this kind of pain on children and pretty stupid of the adults doing it to themselves. I did have a couple of friends who volunteered to go and help them with the whipping themselves bloody, however, lol. If you want to save children from physical harm done in the name of religion then oppse male infant circumcision. It is a worse harm than the Ashura festivities. As gruesome as it looks, cuts on the head spill a cascade of capillary blood that looks horrible but causes no signifigant blood loss. The self flagellation leaves small permanent scars. None of the ones I've seen look like serious wounds. Circumcision, on the other hand, robs a boy of more than half the nerve endings of his penis. Some men have lifelong pain with erection and dissatisfaction with sex. Circumcision done to infants causes trauma, sometimes an inability to bond with mother. Video tapes of infants before and after circumcision show bright eyed alert babies before and listless dissociated babies after. Mothers report their circumcised babies never regained their pre-circumcision alertness. Its a terrible thing to do to baby boys. That's where you should start your crusade against religious abuse of children. It should not be allowed. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13283186 United States11/27/2012 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] At about 3:50 they bring out the chains and start the self-flagellation and it all gets very bloody! Shia Muslims do it, Sunnis don't. |
| Bluebird (OP) User ID: 27748381 United States11/27/2012 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think one group should be above the law and allowed to do things to children that others would be arrested in a heartbeat for doing. Quoting: Bluebird That's the path to complete destruction of the fabric of society and accepted social contract. No other group is allowed to do what they please in this manner because it is their "culture" or any other reason. It's wrong to inflict this kind of pain on children and pretty stupid of the adults doing it to themselves. I did have a couple of friends who volunteered to go and help them with the whipping themselves bloody, however, lol. If you want to save children from physical harm done in the name of religion then opposite male infant circumcision. It is a worse harm than the Ashura festivities. As gruesome as it looks, cuts on the head spill a cascade of capillary blood that looks horrible but causes no significant blood loss. The self flagellation leaves small permanent scars. None of the ones I've seen look like serious wounds. Circumcision, on the other hand, robs a boy of more than half the nerve endings of his penis. Some men have lifelong pain with erection and dissatisfaction with sex. Circumcision done to infants causes trauma, sometimes an inability to bond with mother. Video tapes of infants before and after circumcision show bright eyed alert babies before and listless dissociated babies after. Mothers report their circumcised babies never regained their pre-circumcision alertness. Its a terrible thing to do to baby boys. That's where you should start your crusade against religious abuse of children. It should not be allowed. All three of my now adult sons say they are glad they are circumcised and it has nothing to do with religion but science and cleanliness and health. And one of them has his MD. You do know that this often has to be performed as an adult and is much more traumatic then. So I only have my own sons' experience to base an opinion on and they say they will have their own children circumcised. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
| mathetes User ID: 18119575 United States11/27/2012 05:31 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.youtube.com] At about 3:50 they bring out the chains and start the self-flagellation and it all gets very bloody! Reminds me of Elijah and his challenge to the priests of Baal & Asherah (Funny how Asherah is so close to Ashura) to call fire down form heaven. When the heathen priests called to their 'god' they: And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them 1Kings 18 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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| SpaceCommand User ID: 1009022 United States11/27/2012 05:35 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "With an eye made quiet by the power of harmony and the deep power of joy, we see into the life of things." William Wordsworth And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God. John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 801546 United States11/27/2012 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | READ. Do you people not know what atonement is? Do you not know that Christians do this as well? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21467172 Maybe long ago and far away but not in today's downtown Atlanta, they don't. I've also heard of some in the Philippines who crucify themselves for Easter. That also would not be allowed nor accepted today in major U. S. cities. I live in Atlanta. That wasn't in "downtown" Atlanta. It was obviously at some church, and a private event. Also, as others have mentioned, the people who do this are a specific, minority of extremists that align within the Muslim religion. I've seen MANY christian cults, who do CRAZY things, but nobody makes a thread about it here, denouncing all christians. |
| Merci User ID: 1499647 United States11/27/2012 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | READ. Do you people not know what atonement is? Do you not know that Christians do this as well? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21467172 Maybe long ago and far away but not in today's downtown Atlanta, they don't. I've also heard of some in the Philippines who crucify themselves for Easter. That also would not be allowed nor accepted today in major U. S. cities. I live in Atlanta. That wasn't in "downtown" Atlanta. It was obviously at some church, and a private event. Also, as others have mentioned, the people who do this are a specific, minority of extremists that align within the Muslim religion. I've seen MANY christian cults, who do CRAZY things, but nobody makes a thread about it here, denouncing all christians. Your right. A Pentecostal snake handler died just this year doing wackadoodle things. Tempus Edax Rerum - Time devours all things Tempus est optimus iudex - Time will tell |
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