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President Obama wants tax increases for the wealthy and to extend tax cuts for families making $250,000 or less
President Barack Obama plans to make a public case this week for his strategy for dealing with the looming fiscal cliff, traveling to the Philadelphia suburbs Friday as he pressures Republicans to allow tax increases on the wealthy while extending tax cuts for families earning $250,000 or less.

The White House said Tuesday that the president intends to hold a series of events to build support for his approach to avoid across-the-board tax increases and steep spending cuts in defense and domestic programs. Obama will meet with small business owners at the White House on Tuesday and with middle-class families on Wednesday.

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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
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Are you serious? :-).
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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
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Are you serious? :-).
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Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
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Re: President Obama wants tax increases for the wealthy and to extend tax cuts for families making $250,000 or less
people that are making that much money can afford paying the increased tax rate without laying people off. I think this is a wonderful idea. The trickle down theory is complete bullshit and total propaganda.

We will never pay off the debt; so it does not matter one way or the other -- except that the rich have way too much power in this country. They need to be knocked off their pedestal ASAP.

It is a very sad affair when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer -- yet there you are, defending the rich. Talk about a pitiful state of affairs. I mean really, wow.

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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
 Quoting: LunaticFringe

Are you serious? :-).
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Yea dumbfuck he is serious ....When is the last time a poor man gave you a job ?
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people that are making that much money can afford paying the increased tax rate without laying people off. I think this is a wonderful idea. The trickle down theory is complete bullshit and total propaganda.

We will never pay off the debt; so it does not matter one way or the other -- except that the rich have way too much power in this country. They need to be knocked off their pedestal ASAP.

It is a very sad affair when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer -- yet there you are, defending the rich. Talk about a pitiful state of affairs. I mean really, wow.

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people that are making that much money can afford paying the increased tax rate without laying people off. I think this is a wonderful idea. The trickle down theory is complete bullshit and total propaganda.

We will never pay off the debt; so it does not matter one way or the other -- except that the rich have way too much power in this country. They need to be knocked off their pedestal ASAP.

It is a very sad affair when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer -- yet there you are, defending the rich. Talk about a pitiful state of affairs. I mean really, wow.

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Hey stupid ass .. Do you know that you can take all the wealth of all the rich people and maybe run the government for a month ?
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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
 Quoting: LunaticFringe

Are you serious? :-).
 Quoting: smilesun


Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


Non-compete agreements do not work. They are illegal. Not only that, you told them they needed to sign the paper to keep their job. This was not a requirement when you hired them. There is no gain for them agreeing to sign the non-compete and therefore the contract is null and void, legally.

You can not prevent someone from doing business in their trained profession. This is a Supreme Court decision.

You as an employer are an a$$hole. You can not prevent competition by attempting to prevent your employees from doing what they are trained to do. Good luck with that.
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Re: President Obama wants tax increases for the wealthy and to extend tax cuts for families making $250,000 or less
Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
 Quoting: LunaticFringe

Are you serious? :-).
 Quoting: smilesun


Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
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bribe your employees much
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Re: President Obama wants tax increases for the wealthy and to extend tax cuts for families making $250,000 or less
people that are making that much money can afford paying the increased tax rate without laying people off. I think this is a wonderful idea. The trickle down theory is complete bullshit and total propaganda.

We will never pay off the debt; so it does not matter one way or the other -- except that the rich have way too much power in this country. They need to be knocked off their pedestal ASAP.

It is a very sad affair when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer -- yet there you are, defending the rich. Talk about a pitiful state of affairs. I mean really, wow.

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I'm not "rich", per se - but I'll not be made poorer to provide the people with obamaphones et al...
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Re: President Obama wants tax increases for the wealthy and to extend tax cuts for families making $250,000 or less
people that are making that much money can afford paying the increased tax rate without laying people off. I think this is a wonderful idea. The trickle down theory is complete bullshit and total propaganda.

We will never pay off the debt; so it does not matter one way or the other -- except that the rich have way too much power in this country. They need to be knocked off their pedestal ASAP.

It is a very sad affair when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer -- yet there you are, defending the rich. Talk about a pitiful state of affairs. I mean really, wow.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1085335


Hey stupid ass .. Do you know that you can take all the wealth of all the rich people and maybe run the government for a month ?
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can you read? what is your point. never said we would ever pay the debt. I see no reason to balance the debt. Just that the rich have too much f'ing power.
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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
 Quoting: LunaticFringe

Are you serious? :-).
 Quoting: smilesun


Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


bribe your employees much
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Nope. Protecting my investments. To keep their jobs, they signed a document that will prevent them from sharing my company's practices with my competetors no matter what happens.


They were notarized. :)
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...

Are you serious? :-).
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Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


bribe your employees much
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Nope. Protecting my investments. To keep their jobs, they signed a document that will prevent them from sharing my company's practices with my competetors no matter what happens.


They were notarized. :)
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


ha ha ha. I wish i were an employee there. I would be laughing and providing everyone with the information they need to show it is just another worthless piece of paper. Hope you gave them a dollar to sell their future with. lol...
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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
 Quoting: LunaticFringe

Are you serious? :-).
 Quoting: smilesun


Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


Non-compete agreements do not work. They are illegal. Not only that, you told them they needed to sign the paper to keep their job. This was not a requirement when you hired them. There is no gain for them agreeing to sign the non-compete and therefore the contract is null and void, legally.

You can not prevent someone from doing business in their trained profession. This is a Supreme Court decision.

You as an employer are an a$$hole. You can not prevent competition by attempting to prevent your employees from doing what they are trained to do. Good luck with that.
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I trained them. It wasn't labeled a noncompete. It's a simple notarized person to person contract. They were free to walk. My people have cool jobs and want to keep them.


Tell it to my lawyer. You libs love big govt. Arbitration is right up your alley.
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This is good for the country. Republicans will cut a deal. President Obama is doing the right thing for this country.
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Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


bribe your employees much
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21645121


Nope. Protecting my investments. To keep their jobs, they signed a document that will prevent them from sharing my company's practices with my competetors no matter what happens.


They were notarized. :)
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


ha ha ha. I wish i were an employee there. I would be laughing and providing everyone with the information they need to show it is just another worthless piece of paper. Hope you gave them a dollar to sell their future with. lol...
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Yes. You do wish you worked with us. Artists would much rather be artists than stand next to you monitoring your fryers at the local burger joint. Judging by your posts, I'd have just trashed your resume. My people don't want to work with fucksticks just as much as I don't want to pay them.

You could tell them all you want, but the last thing an unemployed person needs is a lawyer bill.
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I trained them. It wasn't labeled a noncompete. It's a simple notarized person to person contract. They were free to walk. My people have cool jobs and want to keep them.


Tell it to my lawyer. You libs love big govt. Arbitration is right up your alley.
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if libs is libertarian, then yes, you could consider me one. I don't need arbitration, this has already been settled. It is a pity that more people don't group together to provide the necessary competition to businesses like yourself.

Hell, even patents or copywrites are easy to get around. You know that. I do not want to help you; however, you not only can not do what you are doing, you don't seem to understand the basic rules of a legal contract.

Good luck on attempting to block one of your employees that provides you with the competition you deserve. You sir, are one of those rich bastards that needs to be knocked off their pedestal.
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All the rich people I know have foundations and corporations and can "adjust" their own personal income accordingly. They can show a loss any time they want.

Otherwise, they will just fire people to compensate for their losses.

I personally think we should all have a flat tax....rich and poor, and everyone in between.

I also think congress out to ban any more executive orders.
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bribe your employees much
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Nope. Protecting my investments. To keep their jobs, they signed a document that will prevent them from sharing my company's practices with my competetors no matter what happens.


They were notarized. :)
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


ha ha ha. I wish i were an employee there. I would be laughing and providing everyone with the information they need to show it is just another worthless piece of paper. Hope you gave them a dollar to sell their future with. lol...
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Yes. You do wish you worked with us. Artists would much rather be artists than stand next to you monitoring your fryers at the local burger joint.

You could tell them all you want, but the last thing an unemployed person needs is a lawyer bill.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


what? Once again, threats. You think i would need a lawyer. What you going to get out of an unemployed worker? Tough luck bud, i could bleed you dry -- then sue your ass for wrongful prosecution. You are on the wrong side of the fence.
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I trained them. It wasn't labeled a noncompete. It's a simple notarized person to person contract. They were free to walk. My people have cool jobs and want to keep them.


Tell it to my lawyer. You libs love big govt. Arbitration is right up your alley.
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if libs is libertarian, then yes, you could consider me one. I don't need arbitration, this has already been settled. It is a pity that more people don't group together to provide the necessary competition to businesses like yourself.

Hell, even patents or copywrites are easy to get around. You know that. I do not want to help you; however, you not only can not do what you are doing, you don't seem to understand the basic rules of a legal contract.

Good luck on attempting to block one of your employees that provides you with the competition you deserve. You sir, are one of those rich bastards that needs to be knocked off their pedestal.
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Your bong doesn't make you a libertarian.

All of your post context screams modern liberal (pinko commie).

You should read a little more about notarized documents.
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Your bong doesn't make you a libertarian.

All of your post context screams modern liberal (pinko commie).

You should read a little more about notarized documents.
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Peace and flowers... nothing you could do to stop me. Your suit would be immediately thrown out of court. You can not have an employee sign a contract to keep his position after he already has the position. That is called blackmail. Good luck with that.
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Lies all lies
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Yes. You do wish you worked with us. Artists would much rather be artists than stand next to you monitoring your fryers at the local burger joint. Judging by your posts, I'd have just trashed your resume. My people don't want to work with fucksticks just as much as I don't want to pay them.

You could tell them all you want, but the last thing an unemployed person needs is a lawyer bill.
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I always thought most artists were libs. you are actually sounding like a troll now.

OK, let's assume you work with artists. If you had them sign a contract saying they could not be artists if they don't work for you -- it is completely non-binding for several reasons. It would be like asking a software engineer that works in finance or security to sign a paper that says they can not work in finance or security for two years after leaving a position with your firm. This has already been decided in the supreme court and it is not legally binding.

Too bad. You better rethink your position before laying those people off...
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people that are making that much money can afford paying the increased tax rate without laying people off. I think this is a wonderful idea. The trickle down theory is complete bullshit and total propaganda.

We will never pay off the debt; so it does not matter one way or the other -- except that the rich have way too much power in this country. They need to be knocked off their pedestal ASAP.

It is a very sad affair when the rich get richer and the poor get poorer -- yet there you are, defending the rich. Talk about a pitiful state of affairs. I mean really, wow.

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are you really this thick? if we were to tax the millionaires and billionaires 100% of all they have, just confiscate it all, it would keep this country going for a matter of days.

the problem isn't that some people have money, the problem is that the government SPENDS too much. why doesn't the messiah say lets cut spending and instead of taking people's hard earned money to give it away to foreign countries, endless wars and useless worthless welfare recipients?
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The new taxes include capital gains on home sales previously exempt. Not just capital gains either but even if the home is sold for a loss the sales proceeds are now taxable as income.
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This is good for the country. Republicans will cut a deal. President Obama is doing the right thing for this country.
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Spread the wealth until the capable throw in the towel and stand idly by waiting for communist obama to toss food into their mouths and phones into their hands. We will soon have the ruling class and the dependent class did we not learn from other failures from equally narcissistic power hungry dictators that obama is following in their footsteps.
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Yes. You do wish you worked with us. Artists would much rather be artists than stand next to you monitoring your fryers at the local burger joint. Judging by your posts, I'd have just trashed your resume. My people don't want to work with fucksticks just as much as I don't want to pay them.

You could tell them all you want, but the last thing an unemployed person needs is a lawyer bill.
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I always thought most artists were libs. you are actually sounding like a troll now.

OK, let's assume you work with artists. If you had them sign a contract saying they could not be artists if they don't work for you -- it is completely non-binding for several reasons. It would be like asking a software engineer that works in finance or security to sign a paper that says they can not work in finance or security for two years after leaving a position with your firm. This has already been decided in the supreme court and it is not legally binding.

Too bad. You better rethink your position before laying those people off...
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Shitty artists are always libs. They can't sell their art and thus...well you know.

They are lots of artists that are libertarians.

We don't do paint. They are free to get their art on if they want. Just not doing what we do here within a 100 mile radius for 2 years.

It's not blackmail, it's a condition of their employment. None minded to sign...at least I didn't start drug testing.

If my taxes go up past a certain percentage, I'll have no choice but to adjust. Personnel is the only place i have the wiggle room. It's not spite, it's math.
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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
 Quoting: LunaticFringe

Are you serious? :-).
 Quoting: smilesun


Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
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You are employer? Uhmm, not play with fire! America's Debt Is Greater than Entire Eurozone's (and UK's) Combined Debt

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Cool! When their employers are forced to lay them off to give more money to the govt. their income tax rates will go down 100%.


That's a great strategy!
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Are you serious? :-).
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Yes. I'm an employer. I will adjust my labor costs to offset my tax increases. Many that I know are planning to do the same. All of my employees were required to sign a noncompete agreement right after the election to keep their positions. Not all will be able to stay on, I fear.
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You are employer? Uhmm, not play with fire! America's Debt Is Greater than Entire Eurozone's (and UK's) Combined Debt

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12.7 Trillion-euro zone to 15.1 Trillion US debt this is not comparable when you consider land mass and resources of each entity. Without a doubt, each would benefit from less borrowing and living within their means and that means far less government and government meddling into businesses.

Could you image allowing people to use their brains and skills to find solutions for unemployment instead of waiting for a bloated socialist government to further screw things up by further expanding the government dependent class?

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