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Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home

 
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Don't ever rob a house unless you're ready to die
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Yeah pretty much sums it up doesn't it? The homeowner was probably freaking out and kept on shooting. Who can blame him? He is protecting his family and property.
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
Let's try this on for size...say two girls had broken in to this man's home. Instead of shooting them, he grabs one of them and rapes her while the other runs away. Would you charge him with rape?

Think about it before you spout a knee-jerk response.
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Of course you'd charge him with rape. The core of a justifiable shooting is that the shooter reasonably feared for his life or the life of others. To put in that hypothetical that he has time to consider rape, and do it, both of which proves he wasn't really in physical jeopardy at the time and didn't have to do that.

On the other hand if all that's left is two intruders, one big hole in each, and your side of the story, it's quite obvious your life was in jeopardy and you did what you felt you had to, right?
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
If you are going to steal. Do it from cars late at night.
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'They didn't deserve to die': Outrage after popular students are found murdered in man's basement after 'they robbed his home on Thanksgiving'


Friends and family have expressed their outrage over the deaths of two popular students shot by a homeowner while they robbed his home - as he revealed he fired 'more shots than he needed to'.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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Has anyone even read the story?

It seems very fishy

When police arrived at his home after reports of suspicious activity, Smith, 64, confessed to shooting the teenagers repeatedly and stashing their bodies after they broke into his home, authorities said

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'They didn't deserve to die': Outrage after popular students are found murdered in man's basement after 'they robbed his home on Thanksgiving'


Friends and family have expressed their outrage over the deaths of two popular students shot by a homeowner while they robbed his home - as he revealed he fired 'more shots than he needed to'.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Shellbe


Has anyone even read the story?

It seems very fishy

When police arrived at his home after reports of suspicious activity, Smith, 64, confessed to shooting the teenagers repeatedly and stashing their bodies after they broke into his home, authorities said

Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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 Quoting: mathetes


There's nothing suspicious at all about this story.

His home has been robbed 8 times in the past year, there have been several other break-ins in his neighborhood recently.
The 18 year old legal adult who broke into his home was a pill junkie.

This wouldn't be a discussion if these kids were hideously deformed.
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11/27/2012 06:41 PM
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
This is why a 12 gauge with OO buck is the best home defense weapon.

Hit them once and they're dead.
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11/27/2012 06:51 PM
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Don't ever pull the trigger unless you intend to kill that person...
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intent should be to stop that person.

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This is why a 12 gauge with OO buck is the best home defense weapon.

Hit them once and they're dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28600571


In the ol' days when the country was more hogenous the farmers would just use rock salt or bird shot and pepper your ass. Today with all the gangs everyone is ready to blow your heads off!

No its not a good idea to be in others homes but sometimes the young people do dumb things. As long as they are not a threat there's no need to be killing a trespasser.

Use weapons depending on who they are and what they are doing. That makes sense and most states is law.
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
'They didn't deserve to die': Outrage after popular students are found murdered in man's basement after 'they robbed his home on Thanksgiving'


Friends and family have expressed their outrage over the deaths of two popular students shot by a homeowner while they robbed his home - as he revealed he fired 'more shots than he needed to'.


Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Shellbe


Has anyone even read the story?

It seems very fishy

When police arrived at his home after reports of suspicious activity, Smith, 64, confessed to shooting the teenagers repeatedly and stashing their bodies after they broke into his home, authorities said

Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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 Quoting: mathetes



If the guy was in fact a State Dept retiree he could be a plant for anti-gun agenda of home defense argument & precedence. But it all looks legit from here at this point.
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
if two people i did not know broke into my house to steal shit i would feel like my life and safety is threatened. and would use deadly force if i felt it necessary. there was a time when people who were caught stealing in this country were killed for it. this is a tragic story but its a prime example of why YOU DONT STEAL OR BREAK INTO ANOTHER PERSONS HOME.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18656211


The homeowner should have shut his fucking gob and told the cops nothing, except through a lawyer.

Anything you say to cops CANNOT HELP YOU, AND WILL ONLY EVER BE USED AGAINST YOU!

scream

Now, this guy's motor-mouth has bought him a shitload of grief he might otherwise have avoided.

damned
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heed this advice. No matter how right you are, shut up.
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11/27/2012 07:25 PM

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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
more to the story then the old man is letting on .

Those kids don't look like criminals.

Maybe he brought them to the house to kill them.

The way he killed them the talked about it , justifies murder charges. Even in your home you can not kill somebody intentionally thus the second shots with intent to kill.

also he waited all night before calling the cops?Waiting for them to be dead,because he intended to kill them rather then to defend his property with deadly force.

Deadly force is defined as the gun . The intent to kill can not be part of self defense.

Only self defense people, to stop the threat. This man incriminated himself.What he did was Murder.

Last Edited by <x> on 11/27/2012 07:30 PM
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God this scares the crap out of me I live in VA which does not have a castle doctrine. If somebody breaks into my home and I feel threatened I would shoot no doubt about it. If it was some scumbag with no weapons I would just kick his ass if my pitbull didnt get to him first.
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If you just injure them they will sue you and take your house...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Your right screw it I will make sure I kill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5058229


Yep. And if they're outside, drag em inside. I actually had a sheriff's deputy tell me that. Not that I would condone that of course...
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Modern forensics will reveal what happened and you will get the gas chamber for sure.
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
This is why a 12 gauge with OO buck is the best home defense weapon.

Hit them once and they're dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28600571


In the ol' days when the country was more hogenous the farmers would just use rock salt or bird shot and pepper your ass. Today with all the gangs everyone is ready to blow your heads off!

No its not a good idea to be in others homes but sometimes the young people do dumb things. As long as they are not a threat there's no need to be killing a trespasser.

Use weapons depending on who they are and what they are doing. That makes sense and most states is law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14012564


Sounds like you asked the intruders if they would do an interview before they commit a crime against you !

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If you just injure them they will sue you and take your house...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Your right screw it I will make sure I kill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5058229


Yep. And if they're outside, drag em inside. I actually had a sheriff's deputy tell me that. Not that I would condone that of course...
 Quoting: BioReaper


Modern forensics will reveal what happened and you will get the gas chamber for sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28519222


Yes it would , it would also reveal the distance of each shot.So if you shoot them a second time while they are incapacitated point blank they will have intent to kill.Thus its not self defence anymore.

A lot of people dont understand that deadly force is the means you deliver the force.How you defend yourself and property could cause death of the individual, thus a gun,knife etc. If they die from deadly force its justified , but you can not intend kill them. Like shooting them point blank under the chin to stop breathing.
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Don't ever pull the trigger unless you intend to kill that person...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28590391


intent should be to stop that person.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Don't ever pull the trigger unless you are prepared to kill that person...
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
Has anyone even read the story?

It seems very fishy

When police arrived at his home after reports of suspicious activity, Smith, 64, confessed to shooting the teenagers repeatedly and stashing their bodies after they broke into his home, authorities said

Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
 Quoting: mathetes



If the guy was in fact a State Dept retiree he could be a plant for anti-gun agenda of home defense argument & precedence. But it all looks legit from here at this point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14012564


"But it all looks legit from here at this point."

No it actually looks suspicious as hell.
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
This is why a 12 gauge with OO buck is the best home defense weapon.

Hit them once and they're dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28600571


Yeah and then you're scrubbing guts out of the carpets and off the walls...and the smell never completely goes away...the smell of death is indescribably horrible...so use hollow points in a .38 or .45, that way you keep the damage internal without blowing it all over the room.

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"popular" is code for "rich kids".

homeowner should have thrown down a crowbar, screwdriver, hammer, knife. man defending his castle should not be charged. those assholes invaded the man's home, what did they want him to do serve them tea and crumpets?

God Bless Texas.
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Remember just tell the cops that u were terrified for your life and kept shooting till all the bullets were expended. No need to add any more.
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if two people i did not know broke into my house to steal shit i would feel like my life and safety is threatened. and would use deadly force if i felt it necessary. there was a time when people who were caught stealing in this country were killed for it. this is a tragic story but its a prime example of why YOU DONT STEAL OR BREAK INTO ANOTHER PERSONS HOME.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18656211


Well....you need to familiarize yourself with The CastleDoctrine. In many states you cannot use lethal force unless you CAN PROVE your life was in imminent danger. You cant just shoot em because they are in your house in alot of states...although i think we should be able to light their ass up with lead if they are in your house. Cant say I blame the guy for shooting them. But as always the thieves and lowlife's have more rights than the homeowners. People have sat by on their duffs for yrs and did nothing to change it...so, here we are.
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
This is why a 12 gauge with OO buck is the best home defense weapon.

Hit them once and they're dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28600571


Yeah and then you're scrubbing guts out of the carpets and off the walls...and the smell never completely goes away...the smell of death is indescribably horrible...so use hollow points in a .38 or .45, that way you keep the damage internal without blowing it all over the room.
 Quoting: BRIEF


I will pass on scraping the " cherry pie" off my walls and stick with the hollow points.
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Re: Home owner charged with murder for killing 2 teenagers who were robbing his home
"popular" is code for "rich kids".

homeowner should have thrown down a crowbar, screwdriver, hammer, knife. man defending his castle should not be charged. those assholes invaded the man's home, what did they want him to do serve them tea and crumpets?

God Bless Texas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22243884


In Texas he would have been charged with murder.

I just told you the law. The first kid was shot and fell down the stairs, then he walked up shot the kid in the face. Formed the intent to murder , after the threat was gone.

The girl he shot, she laughed at him when the gun jammed laying on the floor. He pulls out a 22 pistle and shoots her again. He drags her to the basement. she was still breathing , he told cops he put the gun under her chin and shot her through the back of the head to make her stop breathing.

He formed intent to murder them both, well past self defense.

After he shot them one time , and they was on the ground bleeding to death . He should have then called the police.

He waited till the next morning after looking for a lawyer from his neighbor.


I believe he is lying , because dead kids cant tell their side of the story.They look like wealthy kids. His house looks like a shack. A lot to steal there.. i doubt it.

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