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The Division of Christianity (The Fall)

 
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First and foremost...I have no religion. I have no faith, but, I am NOT an atheist. I don't believe in God because my "belief" was removed from having the KNOWLEDGE of its existence. One relies on faith and belief when there's still a question in their minds concerning the existence of God. -Personally, I DO NOT believe that God expects your worship, but, I know it would be gleeful in having your genuine LOVE. God no more expects worship from us than we would expect worship from the ants in an anthill. And one day, you'll find that this analogy hits closer to home than one could imagine.

Now, the one thing I have observed around this place is the non-stop "peddling of religion." Its like an marketing agency here. But, to those who constantly market their religion, I want you to take in account a few things.

Almost all denominations of Christianity oppose ONE ANOTHER with EACH denomination claiming to have "the grand monopoly" of the soul. For those who practice Christianity...isn't this somewhat "suspect?" Wouldn't this division eventually erode the fabric of its creation?

How can anyone find solace or TRUTH in their search for a church to "save their eternal souls" given the fact that so many denominations exist (over 20,000)? Yeah...there's over 20,000 branches off of the Christian faith. Even worse, each of these denominations are CERTAIN that they are providing the ONLY PATH to salvation, while all other paths are condemned. scratching

First, you have to actually pick the right denomination. That's a 1 in 20,000+ shot unless you jump from Church to church ALOT. Then you have to pick the RIGHT CHURCH within those multiple denominations, because...as we know, institutions are prone towards "corruption." Then, you have to BELIEVE that every word coming out of your "preacher, or priest's mouth" is the 100% gospel and that they have no ulterior motives. That makes it rather tough when each denomination claims superiority and truth over the other. Then one has to take in account the amount of scandals and bouts of criminal behavior that many churches have been linked to...especially the one's that people tend to attribute to "cult activity." -However, you'll find the word "cult" gets thrown around when "the church" feels threatened by the popularity of a "new idea."

-And...if it IS TRUE that ONLY ONE DENOMINATION has "salvation on command as well as the grand monopoly on the soul," then that means that all else who devoted themselves to their various faiths were literally chucked aside because of what could amount to a "different translation, theory, or idea." -Ouch.-

Then we have the references to 144,000 of the chosen. -Most all denominations make note of this, but, they all have different translations about what it means. Nonetheless...If only 144,000 go to heaven out of 7 BILLION, then that means for every single person you recruit, you're literally creating exponential competition against yourself in your race to get to heaven. -And, this number COULD quite possibly mean...144,000 from the beginning of time, to the END of time. In other words...if there IS a "RAPTURE," it may only affect a very tiny population of people...maybe only one person...maybe only 7. -Because surely if one were to believe the bible, they would be aware that others had gone to heaven before them.

Now...since ALL OF CHRISTIANITY is based from the Original Roman Catholic Faith, I am going to have to go with the idea that they contain "the most truth" amongst all denominations. After-all, every bible that exists within the Protestant faiths, whether there are variations or not, are near carbon copies from the King James Version. Meaning...the roots of your beliefs are intricately tied to the ORIGINAL vision created by ROME and then revised by a KING for political leverage. You may sit in denial if you choose, but, this is the TRUTH of the situation.


HOWEVER...this is not to say that just because the Roman Catholic Church has access to the most truth, that those who practice this faith are privy to those truths. In fact, I would say that its probably quite the opposite...especially given the Church's massively high percentage of pedophilia practiced by THE PRIESTS and any multiple other numbers of indiscretions. As one should be aware...the VATICAN has an entire ARCHIVED sections of the bible containing ancient texts, sanskrit, and the original format in which the bible was written (CODE/Torah/etc.) It was massively condensed with entire books being left out. After of which, it was TRANSLATED by scribes (ELITES) into modern language, revised, written, re-written, and then re-revised by Kings driven by greed. Just so you know...ARMED MEN guard those hidden texts that exist in the deepest recesses of the Vatican. One must ask...if those texts are so important, why did they not find themselves in the bibles in which we read? Were they simply afraid of making the bible too large? Why are they not shared with those who follow and worship this religion?

Anway...Something which begins under nefarious intent will gradually decline and lose signal strength and integrity over time and distance making its "spin-offs" even more compromised. (Can't polish a turd.) The electrical world calls this "attenuation." Or, the loss of quality, or the strength of a signal through distance. If it starts off badly...its only going to get worse. wink

Even the Muslims don't have as much division in their faith that the Christians have in theirs. Even worse...most so-called "Christians" hate Muslims and vice versa and have little idea that each religion was spawned from the same source. -Abraham.- BUT...that's a different discussion.

Strange times are here. I hope you're prepared.

The quickest way back home is through Unconditional LOVE. So...if one practices that, it won't matter what religion that you claim.
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As a group energy, Christianity has completely failed and its because MAN started it. And mucked up the teachings of Jesus hugely. YOu were given prophecy so that you could KNOW the plans of your evil devils and you say, BRING IT ON, rather than removing your devils from office around the world. YOu support all sorts of unbalanced issues and earth is going to be allowed to rebalance.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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Jesus told you , that you are gods. Here is some more proof. You ones see god is separate from yourselves, up in the sky some place, a big boss carrying a big hammer...... Read and weep. For most on each have utterly failed to find God within them.



"WHO AM I?"
"There is but one process of thinking for there is but One Mind. There are not two Minds nor two methods of thinking; nor are there two sets of laws governing thinking.
"Nor are there two separate substances, nor two separate things nor two separate beings in My universe.
"All thinking is universal thinking.
"All thinking things are thinking in unison. "All are creating that which they are thinking.
"All thinking Beings are Self creating.
"All thinking Beings are creating all things.
"Man is Creator of himself.
"Man is the Creator of all that is.
"When man shall know My language of Light then shall he know My Voice.
"My still small Voice within universal man speaks to him in the language of Light, in words and tones, --and rhythmic waves extended from My Light."
"Within the heart of thinking man My Silent Voice has forever asked:
`WHO AM I?'

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"Since the beginning man cried aloud, 'Who am I?'
"And My Voice forever answers, Thou Are I. I, the Universal One, am thou whom thou art creating in My image.
"I am I. I am I whom I am creating. I am the universal I.
"I am all that is, and Thee.
"I am He that is One with Me. "I am the empire of I that am I."

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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As a group energy, Christianity has completely failed and its because MAN started it. And mucked up the teachings of Jesus hugely. YOu were given prophecy so that you could KNOW the plans of your evil devils and you say, BRING IT ON, rather than removing your devils from office around the world. YOu support all sorts of unbalanced issues and earth is going to be allowed to rebalance.
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Totally agreed.

Jesus did his best to inform us of how to navigate our world. He taught us all the essential rules, and instead of taking this message as a blueprint to live by and increase our spiritual evolution, it was subverted by evil men who turned him into a God, where people would worship him as opposed to abiding by his words. Pretty clever, because people TRULY DO BELIEVE that if they merely believe in Christ's name, that all of their misdeeds will be simply washed away without ever having to change their lifestyles or moral compasses. -And this was a huge step in the process of that particular deception.

It amazes me how many Christians out there absolutely DEPLORE the idea of socialism, yet, when it comes to their own spirituality...they are the most SOCIALIST of all people on this planet. They truly believe that they can just skate by on the work of another being. As opposed to taking responsibility for their own SOULS and LIVING the very words of their chosen "God," they would rather simply "BELIEVE" as it does not require any sort of proactive participation. Therefore, one can still rob, kill, cheat, and steal all through the week and still make it to "sainthood" by Sunday morning. crazy

-That's not how it works.-

- But, this is how Christians have CONVINCED themselves that it works. If they were truly thinking on a palatable, and logical platform...they would see how ridiculous these assertions are. LIke I said, I am absolutely floored by the thought processes, or lack thereof, of those who blindly follow without ever fully engaging their minds or thinking of the "reality," of what they have sold themselves. -By the way, cost of salvation is a 10% tithe, or, whatever money you're willing to give.

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Jesus created a "loophole" for everyone who was actually walking "THE PATH." When they say that "Jesus died for our sins," well...technically, anything that one does, whether they realize it or not, is ALWAYS done for the whole.

Those who truly "walk the path" are given Universal knowledge and commune with "the all." They know what this world is composed of (codes) and they're able to manipulate things accordingly. If they ever found themselves fearful as they crossed over from life to death and forgot the "codes of passage," they could call the name of Jesus so that he could help guide the way into the next evolutionary stage, as these are codes that he had already hacked. Especially during his "death process," and his "ascension stage."

So...for those, AND ONLY THOSE who actually practice the faith, follow the instructions, and walk the path...provisions were made in case they became fearful. However, those who DO NOT walk the path and have done nothing to actually better themselves within this life will know NOTHING of those codes or of Unconditional LOVE, therefore, will find themselves in quite the precarious situation.

Jesus spoke of the Unconditional LOVE path as the means to achieve spiritual evolution...hence, what he meant when he said to "follow him."
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And yes...people have the right to 1 star me. That's a good way of "getting back at me." However...I think you'll find that you're only lashing out because the truth can be rather frustrating.

And, when one cannot argue a logical position...its much easier to affect that person with a vote, then to actually engage in an intellectual debate that might change your point of view.
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If you take anything in that man-made book seriously then you are just as deluded as a fundamentalist Christian.

The only we know for certain is that WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL.

Personally I believe there is a God. My logic tells me there is a God. I feel there is a God.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I AM A MAN AND I CAN'T "KNOW" FOR SURE.

But what I take to be self-evident is that anyone claiming to "know" anything is a liar, an idiot, or both.
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Well we are told to come out of the Churches which imo is Mystery Babylon, modern-day apostate Christianity so that makes things a hell of a lot easier, eh?

My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD. Jeremiah 51:45

Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon: and her whole land shall be confounded, and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her. Jeremiah 51:47

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Revelation 18:10

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:5


And we should only trust in the word of God ourselves and not what some pastor says. And the 144,000 are not the only people who will enter into the Kingdom of God but only those sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel who will minister to the lost during the Great Tribulation.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands. Revelation 7:9

Hope I cleared some things up for you.


Faith in Yeshua as the Prophesied Messiah and obedience to the Law of God, the Holy Torah and you will be good.
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Well we are told to come out of the Churches which imo is Mystery Babylon, modern-day apostate Christianity so that makes things a hell of a lot easier, eh?

My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD. Jeremiah 51:45

Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon: and her whole land shall be confounded, and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her. Jeremiah 51:47

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Revelation 18:10

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:5


And we should only trust in the word of God ourselves and not what some pastor says. And the 144,000 are not the only people who will enter into the Kingdom of God but only those sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel who will minister to the lost during the Great Tribulation.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands. Revelation 7:9

Hope I cleared some things up for you.


Faith in Yeshua as the Prophesied Messiah and obedience to the Law of God, the Holy Torah and you will be good.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


No mister, you'll be good once you understand how various cosmic intelligences do influence your behaviour. :)
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There is a knowledge for "adults" and there is a "knowledge" for "children".
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What some people are afraid of is to lose their "edge", because once a certain knowledge spreads, it's not possible to misuse it anymore.
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Well we are told to come out of the Churches which imo is Mystery Babylon, modern-day apostate Christianity so that makes things a hell of a lot easier, eh?

My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD. Jeremiah 51:45

Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon: and her whole land shall be confounded, and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her. Jeremiah 51:47

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Revelation 18:10

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:5


And we should only trust in the word of God ourselves and not what some pastor says. And the 144,000 are not the only people who will enter into the Kingdom of God but only those sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel who will minister to the lost during the Great Tribulation.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands. Revelation 7:9

Hope I cleared some things up for you.


Faith in Yeshua as the Prophesied Messiah and obedience to the Law of God, the Holy Torah and you will be good.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


No mister, you'll be good once you understand how various cosmic intelligences do influence your behaviour. :)
 Quoting: Richard S. 26333488


Nope, I know I am on the right path. :)
The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready?

Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified.

Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches.

Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations)

Saul/Paul, the false Apostle.
[link to www.judaismvschristianity.com]
[link to www.jesuswordsonly.com]

The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy.
[link to www.henrymakow.com]
[link to www.giveshare.org]

The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found!
[link to stevenmcollins.com]

Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect.
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com]
[link to www.biblegateway.com] 777
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Nope, I know I am on the right path. :)
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And i know you are not, because the likes of your sort lack even a basic model to understand let say astrological influences, let alone what to do about it. :)
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If you have the needed "organs" to deal with the "afterlife" no entity is going to "catch" you. :)
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The real problem is - as always - the lack of knowledge and appropriate "training".
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Most people have no idea what they are growing here first and about the more than real forces that cause this second.
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Nope, I know I am on the right path. :)
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And i know you are not, because the likes of your sort lack even a basic model to understand let say astrological influences, let alone what to do about it. :)
 Quoting: Richard S. 26386973


Surely if astrology influences us, then we do in our way, both understand it and react to it.
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If you take anything in that man-made book seriously then you are just as deluded as a fundamentalist Christian.

The only we know for certain is that WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL.

Personally I believe there is a God. My logic tells me there is a God. I feel there is a God.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I AM A MAN AND I CAN'T "KNOW" FOR SURE.

But what I take to be self-evident is that anyone claiming to "know" anything is a liar, an idiot, or both.
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Its called using their own bible to make them think. wink
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Well we are told to come out of the Churches which imo is Mystery Babylon, modern-day apostate Christianity so that makes things a hell of a lot easier, eh?

My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD. Jeremiah 51:45

Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon: and her whole land shall be confounded, and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her. Jeremiah 51:47

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Revelation 18:10

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:5


And we should only trust in the word of God ourselves and not what some pastor says. And the 144,000 are not the only people who will enter into the Kingdom of God but only those sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel who will minister to the lost during the Great Tribulation.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands. Revelation 7:9

Hope I cleared some things up for you.


Faith in Yeshua as the Prophesied Messiah and obedience to the Law of God, the Holy Torah and you will be good.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


Well, you cleared up your interpretation of it.

But, other denominations have THEIR interpretations of it. I was brought up a Methodist, and that was also our same response. Therefore, I know it to be a valid response in terms of certain denominations. The Baptists also believe this to be true as well.

But still...the problem I am presenting here is the multiple divisions of Christianity and their numerous interpretations.

Nonetheless...much LOVE brother. I am sure that you're doing things for the right reasons.
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There is a knowledge for "adults" and there is a "knowledge" for "children".
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So, which do you claim that you have?
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The real problem is - as always - the lack of knowledge and appropriate "training".
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Agreed
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If you take anything in that man-made book seriously then you are just as deluded as a fundamentalist Christian.

The only we know for certain is that WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL.

Personally I believe there is a God. My logic tells me there is a God. I feel there is a God.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I AM A MAN AND I CAN'T "KNOW" FOR SURE.

But what I take to be self-evident is that anyone claiming to "know" anything is a liar, an idiot, or both.
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The other thing is...I can make any claim that I choose to make, and it SHOULD be free of your judgement.

I can emphatically tell you this, my experiences have removed all doubt as to whether there's a God. I'm sorry if this makes you uncomfortable, but, my job isn't to cater to your comfort, it is merely to tell you the truth.

If you want to remain in a place where gray areas and subjectivity control your perceptions, then that is absolutely fine. I have no problems with that, and I certainly won't INSULT you for it. That's YOUR business. But, I'd be LYING if I claimed anything else other than what I know. By agreeing with you, I would automatically be compromising MYSELF, and then TRULY I WOULD be a liar. However, at this juncture...there's no lying going on, at least, from this end.

And, as far as your attempt to bait me into the "idiot" argument. Well...that's where your preferred world of gray and subjectivity thrives...but, where logic ends. This is also the place where the blind tend to lead the blind.

-I can say I'm "smart" and even prove it by posting evidence of my Intelligence quotient, and other standardized versions of testing which measure intelligence. I can show you my GPA in college, and can show you achievements I have made. At that point, its up to you whether you want to accept the information, and, often...pride will FORCE you to fight against the evidence when its clearly shown, even when you KNOW that you're wrong. Therefore, arguing my intelligence is a moot point without an exit strategy, and...I tend not to argue conjecture. I only argue with information and facts which can be easily seen and presented. For instance, when I say that the Church is divided, I can prove it by showing that there are over 20,000 sects. -This source says 41,000...so, I was quite a bit off. Normally I wouldn't post wikipedia, but, they present excellent sources here.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

But, when you claim that I am a liar or an idiot...then, all we do is go 'round and 'round about one opinion versus the other. Your assumption is based upon your FEELINGS about what I typed, not from knowledge of WHO I AM. The one thing I have noticed is this...People who cannot argue facts tend to try to argue within abstract fields where subjectivity and emotions control their minds, as opposed to logically grounded information. This only works against those who cannot see the failure and fallacy of the abstraction.
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