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THE APOSTLE PAUL WAS NOT A REAL APOSTLE

 
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Yes OP!! And this is a VERY important issue.

Why? Because Saul/Paul taught against keeping the commandments of YHWY (saying "the law was done away with", and we are "saved by grace through faith"). Yahushua the Messiah, on the other hand, said that you MUST OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS in order to obtain eternal life.

Saul of Tarsus, aka "Paul", MOST CERTAINLY IS a false apostle.

First off, there were only 12 apostles, and Mathias was the replacement for Judas....not Paul.


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paul was the 12th apostle that the lord picked to replace Judas.

Mathias was the real false apostle. They cast lots for him to be picked (divination) and after that you never hear another thing about him.
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Total rubbish! Please provide chapter and verse for these claims of yours. You can't because they do not exist. Saul never even met Yeshua. Mathias was Judus's replacement.
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One the most damning evidences against Saul/Paul comes from passages in Paul's epistle "2 Timothy" and the book of Revelation.

"This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me." 2Timothy 1:15

This would include the Church at Ephesus, which was in "Asia" (ie, modern-day Turkey)

Now, turn to Revelation which includes Yahushua the Messiah speaking to the Church at Ephesus:

Revelation 2;1: "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:"



Stop and think about the significance of this. Yahushua is praising the Ephesians for rejecting false apostles.

WELL WHO COULD THAT BE? Saul/Paul, who claims to be an apostle (but is NOT of the true 12 apostles), and admits to Timothy that all those in Asia (including Ephesus) have rejected him???

This is only the tip of the iceberg. Once you examine all the other lies and false teachings of Saul/Paul, it is crystal clear that he is an anti-Christ and false apostle.
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I wonder why Paul never mentions a word Jesus supposedly said, or a thing Jesus supposedly did. lmao
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Paul never met Jesus or knew him personally. So he's really no different than someone from today claiming that Jesus spoke to him or her in a dream, or whatever.
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I wonder why Paul never mentions a word Jesus supposedly said, or a thing Jesus supposedly did. lmao
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Paul never met Jesus or knew him personally. So he's really no different than someone from today claiming that Jesus spoke to him or her in a dream, or whatever.
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so tell me what Peter said after his meeting with Paul at the church in Rome.
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The point is, Paul never substantiates the MYTH that Jesus was a great teacher or a miracle worker or born of a virgin, etc.

This is important, because Paul is reasonably supposed to have written his letters, whereas no one knows who wrote the "gospels".

Obviously, Jesus was a normal man who they elevated to the status of messiah, and they inserted this life he never lived and words he never said AFTER everyone who knew him was dead.

There is never any account, for example, how anyone knew that the devil tempted Jesus. The accounts of what was said on the cross and what happened at the tomb directly conflict, from one gospel to another.

Anyone who believes this shit is an idiot.

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The point is, Paul never substantiates the MYTH that Jesus was a great teacher or a miracle worker or born of a virgin, etc.

This is important, because Paul is reasonably supposed to have written his letters, whereas no one knows who wrote the "gospels".

Obviously, Jesus was a normal man who they elevated to the status of messiah, and they inserted this life he never lived and words he never said AFTER everyone who knew him was dead.

There is never any account, for example, how anyone knew that the devil tempted Jesus. The accounts of what was said on the cross and what happened at the tomb directly conflict, from one gospel to another.

Anyone who believes this shit is an idiot.

:thankgoddess:
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so why did Peter make the transition into Pauls Gospel
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Lies and blashpemy. People spreading this garbage are going to have a rough going on judgment day, to tell people that Scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit is not scripture is bordering on blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
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this is true Paul was a mixed up fucked up mess who fully did not understand Jesus and was not sent by Jesus to teach at all.

Jesus did not die on the cross and he met Paul in Damascus, and used fireworks to blind him and thus get attention and others then tried to teach Paul the truth. Paul was perhpas his greatest enemy. YOu can read the truth here: [link to www.freewebs.com] This is MODERN and from the RETURNED JESUS and JUDAS who was NEVER his betrayer, but his best friend. This book contains scrolls that Judas himself wrote and were recovered in 1061 from the old grave. Judas translated them from the aramaic to English. You post speaks of mean ignorance.

YOU ONES ARE AS CONFUSED AS WAS PAUL WHO PREACH IN THESE DAYS AND YOU ARE FULLY DESTROYING THE MISSION OF JESUS NOW, ALL YOU WHO POST HERE WHO CLAIM CHRISTIANITY. I HAVE READ SO MUCH FILTH IT IS APPALLING.

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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I wonder why Paul never mentions a word Jesus supposedly said, or a thing Jesus supposedly did. lmao
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Paul never met Jesus or knew him personally. So he's really no different than someone from today claiming that Jesus spoke to him or her in a dream, or whatever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


YES HE DID MET JESUS, HE WAS SAUL, AND YOUR BIBLE DOES SAY THAT, IN TRUTH. SAUL ASSAULTED JESUS OFTEN AND HE USED TO CHASE SAUL AWAY WITH STICKS IN ANGER. AND JESUS WOULD CHASE YOU ONES AWAY NOW. YOU ARE AMONGST THE ONES SPOKEN OF IN THE BIBLE THAT WOULD CLAIM TO KNOW JESUS AND HE WOULD HE NEVER KNEW YOU.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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Lies and blashpemy. People spreading this garbage are going to have a rough going on judgment day, to tell people that Scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit is not scripture is bordering on blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


this is true Paul was a mixed up fucked up mess who fully did not understand Jesus and was not sent by Jesus to teach at all.

Jesus did not die on the cross and he met Paul in Damascus, and used fireworks to blind him and thus get attention and others then tried to teach Paul the truth. Paul was perhpas his greatest enemy. YOu can read the truth here: [link to www.freewebs.com] This is MODERN and from the RETURNED JESUS and JUDAS who was NEVER his betrayer, but his best friend. This book contains scrolls that Judas himself wrote and were recovered in 1061 from the old grave. Judas translated them from the aramaic to English. You post speaks of mean ignorance.

YOU ONES ARE AS CONFUSED AS WAS PAUL WHO PREACH IN THESE DAYS AND YOU ARE FULLY DESTROYING THE MISSION OF JESUS NOW, ALL YOU WHO POST HERE WHO CLAIM CHRISTIANITY. I HAVE READ SO MUCH FILTH IT IS APPALLING.
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Romans
16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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The point is, Paul never substantiates the MYTH that Jesus was a great teacher or a miracle worker or born of a virgin, etc.

This is important, because Paul is reasonably supposed to have written his letters, whereas no one knows who wrote the "gospels".

Obviously, Jesus was a normal man who they elevated to the status of messiah, and they inserted this life he never lived and words he never said AFTER everyone who knew him was dead.

There is never any account, for example, how anyone knew that the devil tempted Jesus. The accounts of what was said on the cross and what happened at the tomb directly conflict, from one gospel to another.

Anyone who believes this shit is an idiot.

thankgoddess
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so why did Peter make the transition into Pauls Gospel
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It's been a while since I read it, but I am pretty sure Peter never substantiates anything from the gospels, either. It's also reasonable to assume he wrote those letters. Obviously he was talked into "believing" some shit by Paul, and strikingly, Paul never expresses the slightest curiosity about anything Jesus said or did, yet Paul goes on to presume himself to be the "authority".

Historically, Paul was immersed in pagan type spiritual indwelling type theology, or whatever, before he decided to start a new religion.

The "fabric" of the idiot religion is not held together by anything other than the sucker's brainwashed mind. In one instance, the Bible writer just knew by divine providence, in others, the mistakes and contradictions are glaring and undeniable. It's the word of god but it's filled with human error. La di da. Seriously, what a waste of time.

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The point is, Paul never substantiates the MYTH that Jesus was a great teacher or a miracle worker or born of a virgin, etc.

This is important, because Paul is reasonably supposed to have written his letters, whereas no one knows who wrote the "gospels".

Obviously, Jesus was a normal man who they elevated to the status of messiah, and they inserted this life he never lived and words he never said AFTER everyone who knew him was dead.

There is never any account, for example, how anyone knew that the devil tempted Jesus. The accounts of what was said on the cross and what happened at the tomb directly conflict, from one gospel to another.

Anyone who believes this shit is an idiot.

:thankgoddess:
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


so why did Peter make the transition into Pauls Gospel
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It's been a while since I read it, but I am pretty sure Peter never substantiates anything from the gospels, either. It's also reasonable to assume he wrote those letters. Obviously he was talked into "believing" some shit by Paul, and strikingly, Paul never expresses the slightest curiosity about anything Jesus said or did, yet Paul goes on to presume himself to be the "authority".

Historically, Paul was immersed in pagan type spiritual indwelling type theology, or whatever, before he decided to start a new religion.

The "fabric" of the idiot religion is not held together by anything other than the sucker's brainwashed mind. In one instance, the Bible writer just knew by divine providence, in others, the mistakes and contradictions are glaring and undeniable. It's the word of god but it's filled with human error. La di da. Seriously, what a waste of time.
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i will not waste my time on people who have no hope.
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This is so wrong. In Acts 9: 15 The LORD JESUS said that Paul was a chosen vessel to proclaim the good news of our SAVIOR to the Gentiles, kings and the Jews I thank the LORD for Paul.
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This is where people get tripped up. When you listen to Jesus through the Gospels and hear what's said in the OT, one can understand WHY Paul is there. He WAS meant to be there.

In a nutshell, it comes down to WHO you are listening to and believing for your salvation - God or man.

Jesus says "I take testimony from NO man"
"Follow ME"
"They will be all taught BY God"
"The Spirit of Truth LEADS into all Truth"

Read and hear the description of the new covenant in Jeremiah 31

"No longer will a MAN teach his neighbor..."

Both God and Jesus tell us: "ALL hearts are evil" and yet we ignore them.
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Rev 2:14 meat to idols
I Cor 10:28-30 Ok to

Revelation 2:15 "Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality.

Do you really believe that Jesus is talking about physically eating physical food here? Specifically considering that He stated in Matthew:

Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’”
"Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man ‘unclean’; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’”

WHATEVER GOES IN THE MOUTH IS ELIMINATED. So Jesus is not speaking about physical food sacrificed to idols.

Paul said the same thing - physical food sacrificed to an idol HAS NO EFFECT on the food nor the body. It gets eliminated from the body. But BECAUSE food that is sacrificed to an idol is actually sacrificed to DEMONS, we should not consume it IF IT is brought to OUR ATTENTION.

People that TWIST scripture wrangle it to their own destruction. They cannot discern that Jesus is NOT talking about physical food sacrificed to idols in Revelation. And because they can't discern that, they automatically assume that Paul, who IS talking about physical food sacrificed to idols, is contradictory.
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But aren't you twisting scripture?

The scripture you are using has nothing to do with food. It is about hand washing.

Context matters you know.

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The Lord saves murders and adulteres, and people who persecuted christians and jews, just like Paul.
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if Jesus couldn't save bad people, what would be the point???
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Jesus doesn't save anybody. I don't save anybody. No one can save anybody, that is for the soul to decide on eternal life or not. stop with this bs people.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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i will not waste my time on people who have no hope.
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People only believe that shit because they have no hope. Dumbass.
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This is so wrong. In Acts 9: 15 The LORD JESUS said that Paul was a chosen vessel to proclaim the good news of our SAVIOR to the Gentiles, kings and the Jews I thank the LORD for Paul.
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This is where people get tripped up. When you listen to Jesus through the Gospels and hear what's said in the OT, one can understand WHY Paul is there. He WAS meant to be there.

In a nutshell, it comes down to WHO you are listening to and believing for your salvation - God or man.

Jesus says "I take testimony from NO man"
"Follow ME"
"They will be all taught BY God"
"The Spirit of Truth LEADS into all Truth"

Read and hear the description of the new covenant in Jeremiah 31

"No longer will a MAN teach his neighbor..."

Both God and Jesus tell us: "ALL hearts are evil" and yet we ignore them.
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no they don't, this is pure bs posting. You don't even know what the spirit of truth is. all are taught by God thru meditation and connecting to the Father within. it remains not understood. God lives within YOU and there is is and not up somewhere in the high heavens someplace.

the bible is NOT the spirit of Truth, you reach the spirit of Truth by meditation. It was bestowed by Michael of Nebadon (who played Jesus), on pentecost. It is a copy of his MIND. It is thus a Library of what he Knows. You do not access it by reading the bible the bible is NOT the spirit of truth. YOu cannot hear from the Father unless in a state of meditation. I have stayed in that state much of the time my whole incarnation and nearly constantly the last 15 years or so.

be about reading Walter Russell who says what connecting with God is all about.

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread
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I wonder why Paul never mentions a word Jesus supposedly said, or a thing Jesus supposedly did. lmao
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As usual, you are wrong.



"Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.

(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

I am verily a man which am a Jew,
born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.

And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.

And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do."
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There above, I bolded "jew" you have PROOF of the bible being fucked up on purpose. There were exactly NO JEWS 2000 years ago. The Khazar Zionists created the word in 1700+ AD and put it in your bible. This is oblate fraud.

These khazar never were from israel, they originated in MONGOLIA and were forced west . These frauds also added "JEW" to the quran.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread
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The following is from the Book not an opinion;

John 5:43 in his own name vs. Father's name
Rev 2:1-3, Acts 19:8-10 false apostle
Acts 9:26+ rejected by apostles

Jesus vs Paul
Mat 13:41-43 end sequence
I Thes 4:13-18 rapture

Mat 5:17-10 fulfill law
Rom 6:14, I Co 9:20-21 not under law

Rev 2:14 meat to idols
I Cor 10:28-30 Ok to

John 5:43 father's name
Cor, Tim, Eph, Gal, etc. (first verse of each); I, Paul an apostle

Pharisees & Sadducees
Mat 3:7, 12:34, 23:33, 16:11-12
Mk 8:15, Acts 26:5

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Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus - Thomas Jefferson

Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ. Fundamentalism is the triumph of Paul over Christ
- Will Durant

Where possible, Paul avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount and had taught his disciples the 'Our Father.' Even when they are specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Lord - Albert Schweitzer

Paul substituted 'faith in Christ' for the 'Christ-like life.' - Walter Kaufmann

If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no further than Paul
(Paraphrased) - Jeremy Bentham

Paul's words are not the words of God. They are the words of Paul - a vast difference. - Bishop John S Spong, Episcopal Bishop of Newark

My long-time view about Christianity is that it represents an amalgam of two seemingly immiscible parts - the religion of Jesus and the religion of Paul. Thomas Jefferson attempted to exercise the Pauline parts of the New Testament. There wasn't much left when he was done, but it was an inspiring document. - Carl Sagan

You can argue with the Book if you want.
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Awesome.
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One the most damning evidences against Saul/Paul comes from passages in Paul's epistle "2 Timothy" and the book of Revelation.

"This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me." 2Timothy 1:15

This would include the Church at Ephesus, which was in "Asia" (ie, modern-day Turkey)

Now, turn to Revelation which includes Yahushua the Messiah speaking to the Church at Ephesus:

Revelation 2;1: "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:"



Stop and think about the significance of this. Yahushua is praising the Ephesians for rejecting false apostles.

WELL WHO COULD THAT BE? Saul/Paul, who claims to be an apostle (but is NOT of the true 12 apostles), and admits to Timothy that all those in Asia (including Ephesus) have rejected him???

This is only the tip of the iceberg. Once you examine all the other lies and false teachings of Saul/Paul, it is crystal clear that he is an anti-Christ and false apostle.
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100% correct. Aside from a few damning verses, Pauls works have laid the ground work for dispensationalism.
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So he was just regular old "Paul" then. Big fucking deal...
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I wonder why Paul never mentions a word Jesus supposedly said, or a thing Jesus supposedly did. lmao
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As usual, you are wrong.



"Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you.

(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)

I am verily a man which am a Jew,
born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.

And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.

And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28613023


There above, I bolded "jew" you have PROOF of the bible being fucked up on purpose. There were exactly NO JEWS 2000 years ago. The Khazar Zionists created the word in 1700+ AD and put it in your bible. This is oblate fraud.

These khazar never were from israel, they originated in MONGOLIA and were forced west . These frauds also added "JEW" to the quran.
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If you take the word Jew in the bible and replace it with "Law follower" it will all make sense. An Israelite can be a Law follower but a Law follower is not typically a jew anymore. Even when Christ walked the earth there were very very few Israelites there.
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So he was just regular old "Paul" then. Big fucking deal...
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The problem for those seeking truth is that Pauls works conflict with the works of the other apostles.
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its all a mushroom
you've been fucked for centuries and you like it

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its all a mushroom
you've been fucked for centuries and you like it
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Brilliant
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We were warned directly;

John 5:43

New International Version (©1984)
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For I have come to you in my Father's name, and you have rejected me. Yet if others come in their own name, you gladly welcome them.

English Standard Version (©2001)
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

International Standard Version (©2008)
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me. Yet if another man comes in his own name, you will accept him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
I have come in The Name of my Father and you do not receive me, and if another shall come in his own name, you will receive him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I have come with the authority my Father has given me, but you don't accept me. If someone else comes with his own authority, you will accept him.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.

American King James Version
I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.

American Standard Version
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Douay-Rheims Bible
I am come in the name of my Father, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.

Darby Bible Translation
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not; if another come in his own name, him ye will receive.

English Revised Version
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Webster's Bible Translation
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Weymouth New Testament
I have come as my Father's representative, and you do not receive me. If some one else comes representing only himself, him you will receive.

World English Bible
I have come in my Father's name, and you don't receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.

Young's Literal Translation
'I have come in the name of my Father, and ye do not receive me; if another may come in his own name, him ye will receive;

Not another's words but His. His warning and confirmation in Revelation would apply to only one person, there is not even another candidate`- no one else left anything which could be called a lie.

Mr Jefferson cannot be dismissed by the mere accusation of being a non-believer. He studied the Book and understood there was a problem between what Saul/Paul wrote and His direct word. He tried to strip out the Pauline part to make sense of it all. In so doing one realizes the CHURCH canonized it this way which leads to a myriad of other questions. Everyone must come to their own conclusion; what mommy and daddy (and preacher) done taught you - it ain't necessarily so. It is not a simple matter of faith; in whom?

As to the Jews they are even described by the Egyptians as disrupting invaders. The syntax matters not; the Khazars just joined the faction around 800pe. A good starting point for that whole story is "New History of the Jews" by Eustace Mullins - A can full of worms there.

This is not a decision to be taken casually or without study of the arguments. Closed minds are not proof. You cannot just take your ball and go home. What you decide you must be able to defend to the full.
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JESUS CHRIST changed things for all when HE died on the cross. PAUL, a chosen vessel of our LORD, HE told Paul to go to the gentiles and preach the gospel. Peter, in 11 Peter 3:15, said, the long suffering of the LORD is salvation, as also our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you. Peter tells them that it is hard to understand, because all that the Jews knew was before JESUS CHRIST died. After HIS death and resurrection, CHRIST gave all men GRACE. It began a new economy and CHRIST had paid the price in full on the cross for everyone. It is the blessed hope for mankind. Most of all, believe on the LORD JESUS and be saved. Faith! Faith! Faith!bump
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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Lies and blashpemy. People spreading this garbage are going to have a rough going on judgment day, to tell people that Scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit is not scripture is bordering on blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
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this is true Paul was a mixed up fucked up mess who fully did not understand Jesus and was not sent by Jesus to teach at all.

Jesus did not die on the cross and he met Paul in Damascus, and used fireworks to blind him and thus get attention and others then tried to teach Paul the truth. Paul was perhpas his greatest enemy. YOu can read the truth here: [link to www.freewebs.com] This is MODERN and from the RETURNED JESUS and JUDAS who was NEVER his betrayer, but his best friend. This book contains scrolls that Judas himself wrote and were recovered in 1061 from the old grave. Judas translated them from the aramaic to English. You post speaks of mean ignorance.

YOU ONES ARE AS CONFUSED AS WAS PAUL WHO PREACH IN THESE DAYS AND YOU ARE FULLY DESTROYING THE MISSION OF JESUS NOW, ALL YOU WHO POST HERE WHO CLAIM CHRISTIANITY. I HAVE READ SO MUCH FILTH IT IS APPALLING.
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Romans
16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
 Quoting: Understudy 16772952


yes the mixed up fucked up Paul wrote that shit too. or the 2 legged devils in rome wrote it for him and put it in your bible. Jesus provided no doctrine. Churches do that.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/28/2012 04:16 PM
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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Rev 2:14 meat to idols
I Cor 10:28-30 Ok to

Revelation 2:15 "Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality.

Do you really believe that Jesus is talking about physically eating physical food here? Specifically considering that He stated in Matthew:

Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’”
"Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man ‘unclean’; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him ‘unclean.’”

WHATEVER GOES IN THE MOUTH IS ELIMINATED. So Jesus is not speaking about physical food sacrificed to idols.

Paul said the same thing - physical food sacrificed to an idol HAS NO EFFECT on the food nor the body. It gets eliminated from the body. But BECAUSE food that is sacrificed to an idol is actually sacrificed to DEMONS, we should not consume it IF IT is brought to OUR ATTENTION.

People that TWIST scripture wrangle it to their own destruction. They cannot discern that Jesus is NOT talking about physical food sacrificed to idols in Revelation. And because they can't discern that, they automatically assume that Paul, who IS talking about physical food sacrificed to idols, is contradictory.
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But aren't you twisting scripture?

The scripture you are using has nothing to do with food. It is about hand washing.

Context matters you know.

Putin
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"Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?
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Quote "Mr Jefferson cannot be dismissed by the mere accusation of being a non-believer. He studied the Book and understood there was a problem between what Saul/Paul wrote and His direct word. He tried to strip out the Pauline part to make sense of it all. In so doing one realizes the CHURCH canonized it this way which leads to a myriad of other questions. Everyone must come to their own conclusion; what mommy and daddy (and preacher) done taught you - it ain't necessarily so. It is not a simple matter of faith; in whom?"

Why would any Christian even entertain ANY consideration in what a non Christian, devoid of the Holy Spirit, said about scripture? And why would YOU?

“And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve asked of Him the parable.  And He said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables."

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