THE APOSTLE PAUL WAS NOT A REAL APOSTLE

Add some works to that faith and your faith will be complete.

Luke 2:27-32
When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:
“Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you now dismissd your servant in peace.
For my eyes have seen your salvation,
which you have prepared in the sight of all people,
a light for revelation to the Gentiles
and for glory to your people Israel.”

Galatians 1:12
"But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.  For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, BUT IT CAME THROUGH THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST. . . "

The eleven, without the Holy Spirit, chose Matthias by casting lots.
Jesus, indwelled with the Holy Spirit, chose the Apostles. Therefore Matthias was not chosen by the Holy Spirit.

Paul was chosen by Jesus.

The twelve apostles of the Lamb in Revelations.

Not one jot or tittle from the law would not pass until Heaven and Earth passed away and Jesus fulfilled it.

We know Jesus declared it fulfilled. Are you so certain that heaven and earth has not passed away as well? Depends if you think if heaven and earth pertains to the physical earth and heaven.....or something else?

I thought this was obvious but to spell it out: we were warned before the fact that there was to be a problem with the churches accepting a FALSE Apostle and a FALSE Doctrine because of him - borne out in the letters of Revelation; you must choose who YOU will follow. Mr Jefferson recognized the problem, studied and made his choice. I said and can say nothing about his choice; it was his alone. I ONLY sighted that Mr Jefferson heeded the warning seriously, did his on study and drew his own conclusion. Stripping out the Pauline part makes a very different Book. One that is at odds, to understate the point, with almost ANY present so-called Christian church far more so in the 18th century. I did not know Mr. Jefferson nor his exact beliefs; he may have been like some I have meet who reject organized Christianity and do not call themselves Christian because of the label only but follow the teaching as they have studied and understand it. I try to assume nothing more than I know in fact.

THERE ARE THOSE INCLUDING PAUL(OR AT LEAST THE EARLY PAUL) WHO WOULD SAY THAT YES, HE WAS A HERATIC AT TIMES.........













ENOUGH SAID

You can only get the Spirit of Truth if it is given by Jesus. The Spirit then leads you into all truth - IF you listen.

Jesus provides the Way and it is laid out in God's Word.

Well, it is telling that when Jesus appeared to the disciples after his resurrection, only one recognized Him.

Translate that to after "three days" and it's pretty clear what He is saying.

From the beginning of the OT to Jesus' words, the underlying message is of false prophets and false teachers.

What did David do when Saul dressed him in (Saul's) armor and clothes? David took them off because he had not yet proved / tested them yet; he relied soley on God. Jesus commands us to test even his own word against God's word

But he is a MAN giving you his opinion and "his" testimony.

Nobody took Peter at his word about the diet laws being relaxed for the trip into the nations (Acts 10)

In my bible these word are in red as said by our LORD JESUS CHRIST, Paul was a chosen vessel and JESUS CHRIST used him. I believe JESUS over any one.

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FUCK PAUL

Paul really whips up a foaming lather in the judaizers....

To this day...

SAUL CONFRONTED AND CONFUSED
As Jmmanuel finished this discourse to the ones gathered with him, a man named Saul came to him and said, "You are preaching heresy; and it is strange to me, listening from the onset. It appears most stupid and your spirit seems greatly confused."

Jmmanuel responded with irritation, "How can you tell me that I am confused in spirit whereas it is you who is completely confused in spirit?

"Verily I say to you, Saul, you are persecuting me, as well as my disciples, because of my teaching, but you will change your mind, my friend.
"From now on you shall be named Paul and travel in all different directions, and you shall have to suffer greatly for having called my teaching heresy and my spirit confused. You will heap upon your back a great, great burden, for in your lack of understanding and foolishness, you will misunderstand my teachings, and therefore, teach falsely. Your speech will be confused; and the people all over the world will be in bondage to your false word, and slaves unto it, and will worship the doctrine of lies which you will put forth unto them. Ye will not even be in the knowledge of that which you do, but in the ending ye shall be required to rectify that which you shall perpetrate in this time.

"You will place the entire land of the Greek in bondage to an evil cult with your false teachings, thus you will call me in their language "the anointed". It will be the fault of your ignorance that they will call me JESUS CHRIST, which means "the anointed". My name is Jmmanuel, "God among us" and ye shall be responsible for thousands of generations to be in false knowledge.

"Further, it will rest on thy back, in thy ignorance, that the wondrous name of JESUS will be used falsely and in that name, human blood will be shed, so much will be shed that it cannot be contained in all the now existing containers. So be it, Paul, for it shall come to pass.

"You continue to persecute me and also my disciples, because of my teaching. Soon, however, the time will arrive when you will change your perspective. You will face me another time and will assume that I am a spirit form. Oh yes, ye shall be brought up most short.

"Verily I say to you, as so many others, you will be to blame greatly that my teachings are adulterated and that the human races build erroneous cults, for in your enthusiasm you shall not learn the truth in wisdom.

"You will be the 'cornerstone' of the senselessness that I will be called 'Jesus Christ', and the 'redeemer' of false cults and it shall cause me to need refer to an erroneous name in the ending that I be recognized as who I really am. Even my scribes will have forgotten mine name by the ending of your Earth times. So shall it come to pass before the fulfillment of the prophecies that these things will be set to right that man will see and know of his errors.”
Jmmanuel was furious, seized a stick and chased Saul away.

But Saul then joined with Juda Iscarioth, the son of the Pharisee, and counselled about how best they could seize Jmmanuel so that they could turn him over to the persecutors, for his thoughts were filled with revenge and hostility.

When Saul had gone, Jmmanuel called his disciples together, spoke to them and said, "You know that Easter will be in two days and I shall be turned over to the courts to be crucified as it is destined, so that I may learn therefrom.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/28/2012 08:29 PM

The legacy of Paul's intervention into the vibration and teachings of the Beloved Master Jesus has been, in my opinion, the root of divisiveness, zealotry, and the rejection of women as a part of the communion of believers.

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YOU SAID

AND HERE IS PAUL SAYING WHAT JESUS SAID, AND WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF ADMITTING THAT YOU WERE WRONG.

This!!

Look at the kinds of things he was trying to prevent.Not good, ....right?

1Co:5:1:
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you,
and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles,
that one should have his father's wife.
1Co:5:2:
And ye are puffed up,
and have not rather mourned,
that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

Why would God add a 5th witness, if 4 won't convince you one more won't tip the scales. This was after the cross, Jesus doesn't have to search people out via foot-paths anymore.

Why have somebody who is supposed to be reporting what he saw with his own eyes suddenly start writing about things he never saw? (and have it believed)

BACKGROUND on Saul of Tarsus, aka "Paul" - A PHARISEE, MURDERER of the followers of Yahushua the Messiah, , and INFILTRATOR/CORRUPTER


Saul of Tarsus was a leading Pharisee (and proclaimed "son of a Pharisee" - Acts 23:6), who lead the persecution of Yahshua and his followers. He was present at the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7:58).

Yahshua strongly warned against the leaven/doctrine of the Pharisees. Based upon all of the evidence against Saul/Paul (outlined below), it is apparent that Saul/Paul decided that overt persecution of Yahshuah's followers was not the best tactic to destroy them, but rather covert infiltration and subversion. So he transformed from a persecutor and murderer of the Messiah's disciples into an infiltrator and deceiver who sought to attack the true message of the Gospel from within by masquerading as an "apostle."

Consider this hypothetical: If a man alive today (lets say a vehemently anti-Christian Jewish Rabbi) were known to have ruthlessly persecuted and murdered Christians in the past, was caught, and then claimed to have "converted", what would you make of such a man? Should he go to prison, perhaps face the death penalty for his crimes? Would you believe him if he then claimed to be "the greatest apostle of Yahshua"? Well Saul/Paul never faced the just penalty for his crimes, and hardly even apologized or showed any remorse in his many epistles for his crimes. And now he's the "greatest apostle"?

Also, remember that Saul/Paul was not trained by the disciples, the men who walked, talked, and lived with the Messiah. He claimed to have received his knowledge from "revelations." He was not recognized by the true apostles as a genuine apostle. Paul claimed that title for himself.

A LIE from SAUL/PAUL. Paul directly contradicts the teaching of Yahushua the Messiah on how we should pray

In Matthew 6:5-6, Yahushua the Messiah commands and teaches his followers how to pray.

Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Yahushua instructs his disciples not to pray like the hypocrites - the Pharisees! He explains in detail how the Pharisees love to pray everywhere, from praying in the synagogues to praying on every street corner, to be seen of men. Yahushua clearly outlaws and forbids his disciples from praying in this manner! He ordains only one place of prayer - in a secret place like a closet with the door shut. However, this teaching of Yahushua comes to an end for many Christians, for in just a few Bible books after Yahushua's teaching we find 1Timothy 2:8.

1 Tim 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

The Pharisee Paul in this one simple verse reverses the true teaching of Yahushua and teaches Christians to pray everywhere lifting up holy hands. Everywhere includes the synagogues, and every street corner. And as a student in a classroom raises his hand to let the teacher know he has a question, the Pharisee Paul instructs Christians to lift up their holy hands to be seen and recognized by men to be praying. The Apostle Paul teaches Christians to pray like the hypocrites, to be seen of men and not in a secret place.

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good info, most christians need to wake up and take a fresh look at who put the bible together. There are books that should be in there and there aref books that should be out.

In reply strictly to this [link to www.youtube.com] it is my belief Paul's role in the Bible is not so much a test as it is a lesson for all the world to know and understand;

putting faith in words of men as if they were the infallible Word of God has led directly to the living hell and misery many have suffered during the last two millennium. It's been a very harsh lesson. Until we quit elevating the words of scribes, giving them the authority of Almighty God, enforcing isolated interpretations of God's supposed Holy Words on those that don't toe the line with the exact same understandings, we'll continue to fall victim to this hellish form of schooling.

refutation of the assertions of the OP

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Paul was NOT a false apostle, the OP is a liar and deceiver.

I only got about 8 minutes in and can see the above Youtube is so far the worst smoke screen I've yet to see on the subject in a variety of ways.

It starts by narrowing the focus to being vs. Muslims, a convenient anti-Pauline faction already demonized by most of Christianity. The truth is the growing masses that wish to get Paul behind us rather than leading is composed of people from all three major faiths. It leaves me wondering if they'll ever get around to stating a key tenant of the Quran is that Jesus is without question a prophet/messenger of God that needs to be adhered to.

Another glaring gimmick is claiming to step outside the Bible and use 'history' to prove Paul is a legitimate Apostle. So far it's amounted to pointing out post first century church approved authors that considered him so. What's really at work in this anti-Paul movement though is people of faith objectively studying the Bible and coming to the realization Paul is no way a true Apostle. Careful objective study of both the New and Old testaments will reveal this beyond a shadow of doubt with out the aid of non-biblical text. One primary aid that will work for anyone sincerely seeking the truth is to do as Jesus instructed: pray for help and guidance by the Holy Spirit in understanding before you begin to study. I know that's what got me started and after years eventually led to to concluding what Paul's role truly was without ever an inkling beforehand he was anything other than a righteous holy preacher of the gospel.

Last Edited by Raymantheheretic on 12/10/2012 09:25 PM

The Spirit does not agree.

Paul must have been a real piece of shit.

Interesting how 75% of NT are letters about Paul talking down to this one and that one, all high and mighty like.

I lost my faith in mainstream christianity after reading the utter bullshit from Paul.

There is a reason why many organized christian religions, especially Catholicism, DE-emphasizes the bible...

Mitochondrial DNA can indicate how many sexual partners the mother had!??!!!?

Wow, that's amazing! (Yeah, R-I-G-H-T!)

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