Anyone in the mood for some good ole fashioned HELL FIRE and brimstone preaching? this one takes the cake

You are going to hell.

Off the top of my head, I don't have one - the issue is likely pending, seeing as how we will judge the angels. I don't think the redemption on angels is addressed in this age; right now God's focus seems to be upon mankind.
Lamentations 3 does suggest that God's mercy never ends.

The phrase "all in all" (Greek pas en pas) *might* imply some rather grand things which Christianity Inc. is not ready for, due to having its collective head rather up its collective hindquarters.

The majority of the verses which say "eternal" or "forever" are mistranslations of Greek terms which actually mean an indeterminate length of time. But King James' hired guns wrote "eternal" and "forever and ever", so I guess we're sold on that, no questions asked.

Maybe there's something useful in here. . .

<< 103 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY
AND THE SALVATION OF ALL

(Scriptures compiled by Elwin R. Roach)

(49 Old Testament listings)

1) Is 46:10.............God will do ALL His pleasure
2) Dan 4:35...........God's will done in heaven & earth, none can stop Him
3) Prov 16:9...........Man devises, but God directs his steps
4) Prov 19:21.........Man devises, but God's counsel stands
5) Prov 16:33.........THE WHOLE DISPOSING thereof is of the Lord
6) Ps 37:23............The steps of man are ordered of God
7) Ps 33:10..........The LORD bringeth the counsel & devices of the heathen & the people to naught & of none effect.
8) Ps 33:15...........God fashions ALL hearts
9) Job 5:17-18.......God wounds then He makes whole
10) Hos 6:1-2........God tears, but in the third day He heals
11) Deut 32:39......God kills & makes alive, He wounds but then heals
12) Ps 90:3............God turns man to destruction, then says return
13) Jer 18:2-6........God mars vessels & then remakes them
14) Lam 3:31-32...God will not cast off forever
15) Ps 102:18-20..God will loosen those appointed to death
16) Is 2:2..............ALL nations will flow to the Lord's house
17) Joel 3:21.........God will cleanse blood not cleansed
18) Gen 18:18.......ALL families of the earth will be blessed
19) Is 45:22..........ALL the earth commanded to look and be saved
20) Is 45:23..........Unto God ALL will bow & every tongue swear
21) Is 40:3-5.........Highway of God enables ALL flesh to see His glory
22) Ps 138:4.........ALL kings will praise God
23) Ps 72:17.........ALL nations will call Him blessed
24) Ps 86:9...........ALL nations will worship God & ALL men blessed
25) Is 52:10..........ALL earth will see the salvation of God
26) Ps 65:2-4........ALL flesh will come to God
27) Is 11:9.............The earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
28) Ps 66:3-4.........Enemies will submit & ALL earth will worship
29) Is 19:14-25......Egypt & Assyria will be restored
30) Ezk 16:55........Sodom will be restored
31) Ps 68:18...........God will lead (all) captivity captive to dwell in man
32) Is 54:5..............He will be called the God of THE WHOLE EARTH
33) Ps 22:25-29......ALL will remember & turn unto the Lord
34) Ps 145:9-10......God is good to ALL & merciful to His works
35) Ps 145:14.........Raises ALL that fall & ALL that be bowed down
36) Ps 145:15.........Eyes of ALL wait upon God & He will and gives them meat in due season.
37) Ps 145:16.........Will satisfy desire of ALL living
38) Ps 145:9...........The Lord is good to ALL
39) Ps 145:10.........ALL Thy works shall praise thee
40) Ps 24:1.............The Earth is the Lord's and the FULNESS thereof , and they who dwell therein
41) Is 25:6..............The Lord will make unto ALL people a feast
42) Is 25:7..............He will destroy the veil that's cast over ALL
43) Is 25:8..............He will swallow up death (ALL death) in victory
44) Is 25:8..............He will wipe away tears from ALL faces
45) Jer 32:35..........It never entered His mind to pass sons & daughters through the fire of Molech
46) Ps 135:6...........The Lord did what pleased Him in heaven, earth, and the sea
47) Is 26:9.............When God's judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants will learn righteousness
48) Is 53:11...........He shall see of the travail of His soul, and shall be satisfied.
49) Gen 12:3..........All families of the earth shall be blessed.



103 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY AND THE SALVATION OF ALL (Cont.)

(54 New Testament listings)

1) Eph 1:11..........God works ALL things after counsel of His will
2) Jn 8:29.............Jesus ALWAYS does which pleases His Father
3) I Tim 2:4.........God will have ALL to be saved
4) I Jn 4:14..........Jesus sent to be the Savior of the world
5) Jn 4:34............Jesus to do the will of God who sent Him
6) Jn 12:47..........Jesus came to save ALL
7) I Tim 2:6.........Jesus gave Himself a ransom for ALL
8) Jn 5:36 ...........He will finish the works He was sent to do
9) Jn 4:42............Jesus is the Savior of the world
10) Jn 12:32.........Jesus will draw ALL to Himself
11) Heb 7:25........Jesus is able to save to the uttermost
12) Col 1:15.........Jesus the first born of ALL creation
13) Col 1:16.........By Him ALL things were created
14) Rm 5:15-21....In Adam ALL condemned, in Christ ALL live
15) I Cor 15:22....In Adam ALL die, in Christ ALL live
16) Eph 1:10........ALL come into Him at the fulness of times
17) I Cor 15:26....Death, the last enemy, will be destroyed
18) Phl 2:9-11.....EVERY TONGUE shall confess Jesus is Lord
19) I Cor 12:3......Cannot confess except by THE HOLY SPIRIT
20) Rm 11:26.......ALL Israel will be saved
21) Act 3:20-21....Restitution (Reconstitution) of ALL
22) Lk 2:10...........Jesus will be the joy to ALL people
23) Eph 2:7...........His grace to be shown in the ages to come
24) Heb 8:11-12...ALL will know God
25) Lk 3:6.............ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God
26) Titus 2:11.......Grace has appeared to ALL
27) Rm 8:19-21....Creation freed from corruption
28) Col 1:20..........ALL reconciled unto God
29) I Cor 4:5..........ALL will have praise of God
30) Jms 5:11..........End of the Lord is full of mercy
31) Rev 15:4..........ALL Nations worship when judgments seen
32) II Cor 5:17.......ALL becomes a new creation in Christ
33) Rm 11:32.........ALL subjected to unbelief, mercy on ALL
34) Rm 11:36.........ALL out of God, thru Him, and into Him
35) Eph 4:10...........Jesus will fill ALL things
36) Rev 5:13...........ALL creation seen praising God
37) I Cor 15:28.......God will be ALL in ALL
38) Rev 21:4-5........No more tears, ALL things made new
39) Jn 5:25..............ALL dead who hear will live
40) Jn 5:28..............ALL in the grave will hear & come forth
41) Jn 6:39.............And this is the Father's...I should lose nothing
42) Jn 6:12.............Gather up the fragments that...that nothing be lost
43) I Cor 3:15.........ALL saved, yet so as by fire
44) Mk 9:49...........Everyone shall be salted with fire
45) II Cor 5:15........Jesus died for ALL
46) I Jn 2:2..............Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world
47) Rm 11:15..........Reconciliation of the world
48) Heb 1:2.............He is the heir of ALL things
49) Jn 3:35..............ALL has been given into His hand
50) Jn 17:2..............Jesus will give eternal life to ALL that His Father gives Him
51) Jn 6:44-45.........ALL to be taught of God and will come
52) I Tim 4:9-11......Jesus is the Savior of ALL
53) Acts 13:47.........Salvation unto the ends of the earth
54) Gal 3:8................All nations shall be blessed. >>

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To know for certain, one simply should look at the original word greek word, used in the scripture, aionios.

Then look at a non-biased site, for the Greek definition.

Here's the definitions I came across:

aionios - ageless, eternal, timeless, unending
[link to kypros.org]

It doesn't state or indicate an 'indeterminate' length.

Thats easy.

Starts of with some Godly BLACKMAIL..serve or be tortured forever.

It ends with the same thing..serve God of be tortured forever.

Its weird how God and satan BOTH use the VERY SAME TACTICS.

GOD says..accept ME..or I KILL you and TORTURE you forever..

And satan as the antichrist says SERVE ME>.or I torure you and then KILL YOU.

How can the same rotten fruit of threats and blackmail and evil hearted FORCE and TORTURE>>BOTH come out of the SAME TAP?

I thought good and bad fruit DONT GROW ON THE SAME TREE!

GOD is LOVE AND MERCY..

SATAN is HATE AND REVENGE AND SPITE..

So HOW DO BOTH SIDES SAY THE VERY SAME THING?

The myths of an afterlife of torture and misery for the wicked were around in various flavors long before the days of Israel. These beliefs were widespread in the pagan world. And then "our" God comes along, befriends Abram and gives Israel His counsel and His laws, but mentions *nothing* about any alleged fate of endless torment. Search the old testament - it's simply not there. And then, against His command, His people adopt the corrupt ways of the neighboring cultures, and end up incorporating the ancient fairy tales of hellfire into their beliefs. He warned them about this in Deuteronomy 12, saying "don't become like the heathen nations, who *burn* their sons and daughters for their gods, which is an abomination".

Since then, the legend of Hell has snowballed into a humongous idol that few in the church dare to examine. But when we do, we'll find that it's unscriptural and that it entirely contradicts the nature of a Person who would humble Himself to nothing and literally die for His enemies.

It also says the noun "aion" means "lifetime/generation/eternity", so I guess it's multiple choice.

Our Aussie friend knows the score

Well, let's for example look at 'eternal punishment'.

The original Greek word, is not 'aion'. It's 'aionios'.

Just researching a few of these it quickly becomes obvious how they are taken out of context. In addition, most of these can't even be loosely interpreted to mean all will be saved. Another vain attempt to distort scripture.

What about the verses that refer to God as eternal? Are you implying those verses don't really claim God is infinite?

How much stupider can your argument possibly become?

No, but an online source that says "aion" means "whatever length of time or non-time you want it to mean" couldn't *possibly* be wrong about the definition of its adjective form, could it? ;)

I'm not a real fan of batting external links back and forth, but this is pretty good. . .

[link to www.savior-of-all.com]

<< However, the conclusion that God will torment most men forever is primarily based on a faulty understanding of the meaning of the Greek words “aion” and “aionios.” Unfortunately, most of our English Bibles do not accurately translate these words, and as a result, the doctrine of “eternal” hell continues to thrive in the midst of the organized church. Let’s take a look at both of these words and see how most Christians have misapplied them. >>

Yes..how DARE they even THINK about finding scriptures that PROVE God is not a sadistic, torturing, revenge obsessed, spite filled, self obsessed, egomaniac who will spend ALL of eternity torturing TRILLIONS of beings in an ENDLESS HISSY FIT.

THE GALL!

No sweat. Best stick with your Almighty-God-of-Love-who-wants-to-save-people-but-will-only​-succeed-in-rescuing-a-scant-sliver-of-a-fraction-of-them-fro​m-the-untold-horrors-of-his-celestial-incinerator.

Satan strives to be like God. Is it any wonder he would mimic him? Stop feigning stupidity to avoid seeing what is crystal clear. Ask Christ to cleanse the venom from your heart that you may hear HIS words with a sincere heart. You are full of accusation and devoid of understanding.

In other words- the obvious falsity of your argument has been exposed, so you will turn to mockery. It's like when my little brother loses an argument and starts to whine and shout insults.

I looked at two other sources, and it all confirms this meaning for aion. Both sources, confirm that aion, can have both meaning as you pointed out.

But, also, I checked 3 sources, and all three sources, confirms, the definitions of aionios, as I've pointed out.

So yes, I say these definitions are quite reliable, if all three credible sources are stating the same thing.

This speaketh the fearful hate filled disbeliever. With venomous serpentine words like that, and a heart that hardens shrieks at the calling of The Lord, does the purpose of hell not become obvious?

Those who would only worship in the midst of hellfire are the same that would sell out for a few silver coins. Every knee will bow to The Lord, wether through the pain of hell or the glory of Heaven.

I'm not worried about the validity of my argument, but I will own up to mocking the enormous illogic of a suppoedly almighty deity who allegedly loves all mankind but cooks up a nasty bonfire for the ones he's somehow unable to get through to. I bought into this noise for years. Then I actually met God, and began to understood the depth of slander which Religion has resorted to.

Thank you for making my point and AGREEING with every word I just SAID.

You yourself JUST BACKED UP what I SAID about GOD..and I WAS JOKING...but..YOU WERE NOT.

YOU..actually and TRULY THINK with ALL YOUR EVIL HEART..that God IS actually..a sadistic, torturing, revenge obsessed, spite filled, self obsessed, egomaniac who will spend ALL of eternity torturing TRILLIONS of beings in an ENDLESS HISSY FIT.

LOL, this guy is going to hell.

Proper rendering of aionios and aionian has little bearing on God's infinity, as there are plenty of other statements supporting it - "of His kingdom there will be no end", etc.

The passage stating God will eventually become "All in all" also says that once all things are under Christ's feet, Christ Himself will turn and submit Himself to the Father. What this means in a practical sense, I dunno, but it would seem that God is *evolving* (heresy for sure!)

actually i think you are not so far from the truth

Wow just Wow. Best post on GLP I have ever read.

WHAT?

So you are saying it is GOD who is the mean horrible torturing selfish egocentric sadistic bastard..and its SATAN only trying to IMMITATE thoser traits?

No wonder most christians are so arrogant and cruel and heartless..for THEY are trying to be JUST LIKE GOD.

Philosophies of man mingled with scripture.