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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28627006 United States 11/28/2012 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Galatians 2:16 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28627006 United States 11/28/2012 06:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Problem understanding the Trinity? Maybe they have subverted the Word. You know that I John 5:7 is deleted in these modern renditions? Know Why? "The kings of the earth, and all the inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the adversary and the enemy should have entered into the gates of Jerusalem." Lamentations 4:12 KJV |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 06:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Know what's really, really fucking weird? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21155409 As of yesterday I was drawing those same conclusions, like to a T. At the same time, a shitload of others are as well. Synchronicity of thoughts and inception seem to come to mind. We have to be careful. Any other things that you came across? I view coincidences in such a way. Every day, millions of possible coincedences can occur. It would be improbable that 1 didn't. If it's something that gets into the fore front of your mind, you'll draw conclusions on it that may well be false, as our brains naturally see patterns and give meaning to them. In a test Derren Brown done. People were left in a room and had to score 100 points to win the prize money. They weren't told how the points were scored. The subjects, including actor David Tenant perfomed many random ideas. Every so often a point was scored. They kept repeating, or varying a method hoping for more points. At the end, they were asked whether they had figured it out. One said they did, although it kept changing. David Tenant was smarter and said that they hadn't. They got 100 points. It was scored by fish in a tank crossing a line in the middle. It really shown how we make connections to patterns. Just like how you train a dog or any animal. We do the same thing in faiths all around the world, and believe this to be proof that prayers are answered. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States 11/28/2012 06:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The very first step in loosing your faith and your salvation is believing the lie that the OT law is still in effect and that paul was a false apostle. This is the first step in falling away. Satan got his clutches into you when you first believed that lie, then it all went downhill from there. Come back to the faith, Come back to Jesus, He is the truth, the life and the way to the Kingdom of God. Everything else is a lie from the pit designed to do exactly what happened to you. :knocking3693: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 11/28/2012 06:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two seeds in this world. For a purpose. To accomplish The Almighty's purpose. To make manifest the seeds. The Almighty is sovereign. All else is instruments wielded by the hand of the Almighty to accomplish His purpose. Be of good cheer. The battle is finished in the eyes of The Almighty. He now calls us to rest and patience as the mytery of His plan unfolds. peace, |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 06:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Problem understanding the Trinity? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28627006 Maybe they have subverted the Word. You know that I John 5:7 is deleted in these modern renditions? Know Why? "The kings of the earth, and all the inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the adversary and the enemy should have entered into the gates of Jerusalem." Lamentations 4:12 KJV Actually, it's because it was added in hundreds of years later and has been found to not be credible by any scholar. It was added to strengthen a theology that had trouble. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Problem understanding the Trinity? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28627006 Maybe they have subverted the Word. You know that I John 5:7 is deleted in these modern renditions? Know Why? "The kings of the earth, and all the inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the adversary and the enemy should have entered into the gates of Jerusalem." Lamentations 4:12 KJV I understand the trinity belief well. Research when that was added in. No original scripture has it. |
Cad User ID: 7355383 United States 11/28/2012 06:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too studied scripture and those who wrote about the bible for years. My expectations of God have been an impediment to fully surrendering to Jesus. What has kept me in the game is an unwavering belief that the cross of Christ changed things. The law was fulfilled in Christ, yet I see that I still sin. Sin was not done away with because I believe that Christ died for my sin. The penalty of sin is eternal death. This also was not done away with. I am trusting that the one who died for me can take away the penalty of the law even though the law is still active. The third part of the trinity is what imparts the fulfilled law in my body. The fulfilled law is perfect, so that God sees this and not my physical sins when he views me. In essence he sees Christs spirit, not the nature I was born with. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States 11/28/2012 06:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too studied scripture and those who wrote about the bible for years. My expectations of God have been an impediment to fully surrendering to Jesus. What has kept me in the game is an unwavering belief that the cross of Christ changed things. The law was fulfilled in Christ, yet I see that I still sin. Sin was not done away with because I believe that Christ died for my sin. The penalty of sin is eternal death. This also was not done away with. I am trusting that the one who died for me can take away the penalty of the law even though the law is still active. The third part of the trinity is what imparts the fulfilled law in my body. The fulfilled law is perfect, so that God sees this and not my physical sins when he views me. In essence he sees Christs spirit, not the nature I was born with. Quoting: Cad 7355383 +100000 That is real faith! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 06:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The very first step in loosing your faith and your salvation is believing the lie that the OT law is still in effect and that paul was a false apostle. This is the first step in falling away. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Satan got his clutches into you when you first believed that lie, then it all went downhill from there. Come back to the faith, Come back to Jesus, He is the truth, the life and the way to the Kingdom of God. Everything else is a lie from the pit designed to do exactly what happened to you. :knocking3693: Research just the origins of the gospels. If you can be bothered. If you care about the truth. If you want to be able to defend your faith. If you want to help a fallen one find the real truth. It is easy to find, but takes a bit of reading. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States 11/28/2012 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The very first step in loosing your faith and your salvation is believing the lie that the OT law is still in effect and that paul was a false apostle. This is the first step in falling away. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Satan got his clutches into you when you first believed that lie, then it all went downhill from there. Come back to the faith, Come back to Jesus, He is the truth, the life and the way to the Kingdom of God. Everything else is a lie from the pit designed to do exactly what happened to you. :knocking3693: Research just the origins of the gospels. If you can be bothered. If you care about the truth. If you want to be able to defend your faith. If you want to help a fallen one find the real truth. It is easy to find, but takes a bit of reading. Been doing that for years, you assume alot. Pray about it, ask the Lord to show you that He is real. You have fallen away from the real truth, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. Now you try to make others fall away too, which is a pity. You've fallen into a hole, and only Jesus can save you. Ask Him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 11/28/2012 06:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too studied scripture and those who wrote about the bible for years. My expectations of God have been an impediment to fully surrendering to Jesus. What has kept me in the game is an unwavering belief that the cross of Christ changed things. The law was fulfilled in Christ, yet I see that I still sin. Sin was not done away with because I believe that Christ died for my sin. The penalty of sin is eternal death. This also was not done away with. I am trusting that the one who died for me can take away the penalty of the law even though the law is still active. The third part of the trinity is what imparts the fulfilled law in my body. The fulfilled law is perfect, so that God sees this and not my physical sins when he views me. In essence he sees Christs spirit, not the nature I was born with. Quoting: Cad 7355383 What a precious and invaluable gift! Finer and more durable than anything this world can offer. We simply cannot imagine in our most glorious visions those things which God has intended for us! And it is planted in good soil. Soil which is tended by The Almighty Himself. And it does not depart from one who has truly received it. Ever. Rather it becomes more and more evident as we approach the day. The gifts and calling of God are without repentance to those whom the gifts were given. What a blessing! God Bless. peace, |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 06:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too studied scripture and those who wrote about the bible for years. My expectations of God have been an impediment to fully surrendering to Jesus. What has kept me in the game is an unwavering belief that the cross of Christ changed things. The law was fulfilled in Christ, yet I see that I still sin. Sin was not done away with because I believe that Christ died for my sin. The penalty of sin is eternal death. This also was not done away with. I am trusting that the one who died for me can take away the penalty of the law even though the law is still active. The third part of the trinity is what imparts the fulfilled law in my body. The fulfilled law is perfect, so that God sees this and not my physical sins when he views me. In essence he sees Christs spirit, not the nature I was born with. Quoting: Cad 7355383 You haven't taken the Talmud into account. That is what Yeshua hated. He wanted others to follow him in the Way, following Torah. Yeshua would say you are the least in heaven for not following Torah, even more for teaching it. I commend your faith, and sticking to it. I recommend you carry on with your research and hope you stay faithful to the truth, even if uncomfortable. Thanks. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 06:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The very first step in loosing your faith and your salvation is believing the lie that the OT law is still in effect and that paul was a false apostle. This is the first step in falling away. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Satan got his clutches into you when you first believed that lie, then it all went downhill from there. Come back to the faith, Come back to Jesus, He is the truth, the life and the way to the Kingdom of God. Everything else is a lie from the pit designed to do exactly what happened to you. :knocking3693: Research just the origins of the gospels. If you can be bothered. If you care about the truth. If you want to be able to defend your faith. If you want to help a fallen one find the real truth. It is easy to find, but takes a bit of reading. Been doing that for years, you assume alot. Pray about it, ask the Lord to show you that He is real. You have fallen away from the real truth, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. Now you try to make others fall away too, which is a pity. You've fallen into a hole, and only Jesus can save you. Ask Him. Sorry for the assumption. When do you think the gospels were written? And by who? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 11/28/2012 07:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too studied scripture and those who wrote about the bible for years. My expectations of God have been an impediment to fully surrendering to Jesus. What has kept me in the game is an unwavering belief that the cross of Christ changed things. The law was fulfilled in Christ, yet I see that I still sin. Sin was not done away with because I believe that Christ died for my sin. The penalty of sin is eternal death. This also was not done away with. I am trusting that the one who died for me can take away the penalty of the law even though the law is still active. The third part of the trinity is what imparts the fulfilled law in my body. The fulfilled law is perfect, so that God sees this and not my physical sins when he views me. In essence he sees Christs spirit, not the nature I was born with. Quoting: Cad 7355383 The OP considers himself to be learned and wise. After much study he has concluded something. Scripture concludes these things are indeed hidden from him. Men do not wish to come To The LORD as a child... And yet, God deals with the pride of man in this manner and The LORD gives thanks to the Father to such dealings. "...I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes..." peace, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States 11/28/2012 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The very first step in loosing your faith and your salvation is believing the lie that the OT law is still in effect and that paul was a false apostle. This is the first step in falling away. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa Satan got his clutches into you when you first believed that lie, then it all went downhill from there. Come back to the faith, Come back to Jesus, He is the truth, the life and the way to the Kingdom of God. Everything else is a lie from the pit designed to do exactly what happened to you. :knocking3693: Research just the origins of the gospels. If you can be bothered. If you care about the truth. If you want to be able to defend your faith. If you want to help a fallen one find the real truth. It is easy to find, but takes a bit of reading. Been doing that for years, you assume alot. Pray about it, ask the Lord to show you that He is real. You have fallen away from the real truth, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. Now you try to make others fall away too, which is a pity. You've fallen into a hole, and only Jesus can save you. Ask Him. Sorry for the assumption. When do you think the gospels were written? And by who? I won't entertain your debate OP. You've lost all faith in the Lord and you're trying to persuade weak ones to fall away. That is why you created this platform, and I won't participate in it because that is the devils work trying to lead others astray. I asked you to pray, and you want to debate. I will leave you with this, "without faith it is impossible to please God". You've chosen a dark road for yourself, and if you really care about your destiny you will pray about it and seek Him before it's too late. Judgement is coming to the world.......soon. You could die today and be standing before The Almighty today, and you will account for your words and actions. Check with your local library and see if they have the book The Case For Christ and if they do, check it out. Please pray about it, this is not a game. God loves you very much, you are important to Him. Come back to Him and ask forgiveness for your sins, and believe that He is real. Believe it because it's the truth. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 07:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it hard to believe that a lot of people won't look in to claims against their faith so that they can defend it in the future and bring others to faith that have doubts. It is an ignorant way to be. This is obviously not aimed at those that do, as I'm sure there are some. Never believe something because some one says it, or that they studied it. Study it yourself. If your don't then you are just sheep following what you are told. Just like people following thousands of different denominations because of what they are told. They can't all be right. You'd have to study to know the truth, right? |
mrclean User ID: 26734545 Switzerland 11/28/2012 07:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Talmud' is just an oral Jewish law that became popular over the last century or two. Most Orthodox Messianic Rabbi's do not put nearly as much emphasis on it as you imply. The Talmud is corrupt as it is the word of MAN, the Torah is pure. As for Paul being a 'false' apostle....I see you being swept up in Jesuit propaganda. Look harder. Last Edited by mrclean on 11/28/2012 07:16 AM mrclean |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I too studied scripture and those who wrote about the bible for years. My expectations of God have been an impediment to fully surrendering to Jesus. What has kept me in the game is an unwavering belief that the cross of Christ changed things. The law was fulfilled in Christ, yet I see that I still sin. Sin was not done away with because I believe that Christ died for my sin. The penalty of sin is eternal death. This also was not done away with. I am trusting that the one who died for me can take away the penalty of the law even though the law is still active. The third part of the trinity is what imparts the fulfilled law in my body. The fulfilled law is perfect, so that God sees this and not my physical sins when he views me. In essence he sees Christs spirit, not the nature I was born with. Quoting: Cad 7355383 The OP considers himself to be learned and wise. After much study he has concluded something. Scripture concludes these things are indeed hidden from him. Men do not wish to come To The LORD as a child... And yet, God deals with the pride of man in this manner and The LORD gives thanks to the Father to such dealings. "...I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes..." peace, I'm not learned and wise at all. But there is no shame in studying. I only share in brief the fruits of my study. I was a Christian as a child. That is how I was brought up. I even read to my siblings. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States 11/28/2012 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If your don't then you are just sheep following what you are told. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28601458 You'd have to study to know the truth, right? Matthew 25:31-33 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left." John 10:27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me." Luke 18:15-17 "People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Talmud' is just an oral Jewish law that became popular over the last century or two. Quoting: mrclean Most Orthodox Messianic Rabbi's do not put nearly as much emphasis on it as you imply. The Talmud is corrupt as it is the word of MAN, the Torah is pure. As for Paul being a 'false' apostle....I see you being swept up in Jesuit propaganda. Look harder. I'm afraid your wrong, the Talmud was was made in to a compendium in 200CE. It was followed as oral law before that. Tulmud is very important to followers actually. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If your don't then you are just sheep following what you are told. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28601458 You'd have to study to know the truth, right? Matthew 25:31-33 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left." John 10:27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me." Luke 18:15-17 "People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Trust me, I did come as a child. I was a full on believer. All my money used to go to others. Which I always did in secret so that the other hand would not know. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States 11/28/2012 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If your don't then you are just sheep following what you are told. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28601458 You'd have to study to know the truth, right? Matthew 25:31-33 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left." John 10:27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me." Luke 18:15-17 "People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Trust me, I did come as a child. I was a full on believer. All my money used to go to others. Which I always did in secret so that the other hand would not know. You might have come as a child OP, but that didn't last long because you allowed doubt to creep in and you didn't fight against it. You started searching for more and fell for the "hidden esoteric knowledge" stuff. That's what started leading you astray. The farther you went, the deeper the hole was and you kept on going until you hit the bottom. Satan makes things very appealing, like you're missing something important if you don't try his stuff. Many fall for it. You were not satisfied with being a child of God. You wanted the knowledge of evil, and you believed that instead of the knowledge of God. You were like Adam, who knew what was right, but couldn't resist trying it and then became deceived. It's your choice, but you made the wrong choice, unfortunately. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 28601458 United Kingdom 11/28/2012 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know people think that I'm trying to deconvert people, and maybe I am in a way. I just don't want people going through a long process like i did. It's painful. I care about people. I have no problem with Christians, my family are, my fiance is and her family is. I have friends that are too. When you know the truth on something, you want to share it. Just like when you come to Christ. Interesting fact: There is no J in hebrew. Why do people still say Jesus? |
TheSeventhGate User ID: 27676745 Ireland 11/28/2012 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Britain, America and the Prophesied Common-Wealth. And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 Last Edited by TheSeventhGate on 11/28/2012 07:35 AM The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready? Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified. Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches. Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations) Saul/Paul, the false Apostle. [link to www.judaismvschristianity.com] [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy. [link to www.henrymakow.com] [link to www.giveshare.org] The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found! [link to stevenmcollins.com] Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect. [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] 777 |