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WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.

 
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WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
So, when you are being robbed and you kill the bastards, you're going to be charged for murdering them even if they're in your house when you shoot them.

WTF is wrong with this country?

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Agenda 21. Full on frontal assult on the second amendment, these stories will continue to surface for the masses to thinki that a good ideas.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
I take it Minnesota does not have a castle doctrine.

It should.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
I will be the first to say that a person is within their rights to defend themselves and their property. That being said, there is something very fishy with this story.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
'Wasting to punks' hahahaha

Is that you, Clint Eastwood??

FFS, ill tell you whats wrong with your country.
Twits like you who think its ok to shoot 2 kids in the back while running away.
Have you ever done something wrong when you were young?

Do you think you deserved to get shot for it?

We all get into situations, and do things we aint proud of from time to time.

Imagine if one of them was your child, and through Peer pressure or hat ever he found himself in that situation, youd be happy for him to get shot (Translation for the yanks: 'to get a cap popped in his ass homey'
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
Sounds like the shooter went too far. Maybe if he called the police immediately after the shooting and reported it and only fired a few rounds things would be different.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
This is taken from under the photo. He went overboard, with his shooting.

but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen, according to investigators
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
I take it Minnesota does not have a castle doctrine.

It should.
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this

move to a state with a stronge castle doctrine if self defense is important to you. you cannot change the state you are in

otherwise, you wind up like this guy in Canada, where he shot into the air to warn someone trying to burn down his home and kill him, and he was the one who wound up in jail:

[link to news.nationalpost.com]

what he was defending himself from:



It helps to have video footage, of course, to prove that you were being threatened, but these days you can buy a full remote controlled video camera set for $150 or less
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
Its because you have a right to self defense, not a right to kill people. There is a difference in there, I know its hard to see but just use those few grey cells up there and try to figure out the difference.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
you people are psychopaths if you think executing unarmed teenage intruders after they were incapacitated is ok. if the homeowner had stopped when he shot them in the legs, he wouldn't be in jail right now. this has absolutely nothing to do with standing your ground. however, i'm not surprised that the dumbed down ignorant masses of the right don't get it. carry on fools...
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
'Wasting to punks' hahahaha

Is that you, Clint Eastwood??

FFS, ill tell you whats wrong with your country.
Twits like you who think its ok to shoot 2 kids in the back while running away.
Have you ever done something wrong when you were young?

Do you think you deserved to get shot for it?

We all get into situations, and do things we aint proud of from time to time.

Imagine if one of them was your child, and through Peer pressure or hat ever he found himself in that situation, youd be happy for him to get shot (Translation for the yanks: 'to get a cap popped in his ass homey'
 Quoting: Bernard 7437263


Sorry Bernard, i dont agree with you. I did 'stuff' as a kid and if i found my kid doing that stuff i'd be pissed off to the max, but do you know what, the one thing i never did as a kid was break into someones house. That said if they hadn't broken in they'd still be alive, so why are they not to blame ?

Sorry but peer pressure is an excuse by the liberal left to assuage guilt from those who've done wrong, it's a cop out from taking responsibility for their actions.

One thing to come out of this, they wont rob anymore houses, so maybe the 80 year old up the road wont be robbed by them and killed by heart attack or something.

And i'd do the same although i'd have to use a crossbow
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from the article. . .

"Smith told authorities that he was in his basement last Thursday when he heard a window break upstairs. When he saw Brady on the basement stairwell, he fired at the teenager then shot him again in the face after he fell down.

The complaint said Smith told an investigator: "I want him dead."

Smith said he dragged Brady's body into his workshop. When Kifer came down the stairs, he shot her multiple times. He dragged her into the room and as she gasped for air, he fired what he described as a "good clean finishing shot" under her chin "up into the cranium," the complaint said"

wtf
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
you people are psychopaths if you think executing unarmed teenage intruders after they were incapacitated is ok. if the homeowner had stopped when he shot them in the legs, he wouldn't be in jail right now. this has absolutely nothing to do with standing your ground. however, i'm not surprised that the dumbed down ignorant masses of the right don't get it. carry on fools...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


As opposed to the dumbed down left that thinks it's acceptable for youths to break into peoples homes at random and either scare the shit out of them or rob them or murder / rape the homeowner.

Simple case is if they didn't break in they'd be alive
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Yea our judicial system is beyond fucked up, it only benefits criminals.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
you people are psychopaths if you think executing unarmed teenage intruders after they were incapacitated is ok. if the homeowner had stopped when he shot them in the legs, he wouldn't be in jail right now. this has absolutely nothing to do with standing your ground. however, i'm not surprised that the dumbed down ignorant masses of the right don't get it. carry on fools...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


As opposed to the dumbed down left that thinks it's acceptable for youths to break into peoples homes at random and either scare the shit out of them or rob them or murder / rape the homeowner.

Simple case is if they didn't break in they'd be alive
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who said it's acceptable for the kids to break into homes? did they deserve to be shot by the homeowner? yes. did they deserve to be executed after being rendered immobile? no. please give me a link or a quote backing up your statement. i guarantee you can't do it
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
I take it Minnesota does not have a castle doctrine.

It should.
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Well the issue is he shot them again AFTER they fell which shifts from self-defense to murder in legal eyes. He also ended the misery of the girl with a final shot as she "gasped for air" which by LEGAL standards is no longer a act of defense.

If he had let them bleed out and die horribly from their wounds no one would have cared.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
'Wasting to punks' hahahaha

Is that you, Clint Eastwood??

FFS, ill tell you whats wrong with your country.
Twits like you who think its ok to shoot 2 kids in the back while running away.
Have you ever done something wrong when you were young?

Do you think you deserved to get shot for it?

We all get into situations, and do things we aint proud of from time to time.

Imagine if one of them was your child, and through Peer pressure or hat ever he found himself in that situation, youd be happy for him to get shot (Translation for the yanks: 'to get a cap popped in his ass homey'
 Quoting: Bernard 7437263


Sorry Bernard, i dont agree with you. I did 'stuff' as a kid and if i found my kid doing that stuff i'd be pissed off to the max, but do you know what, the one thing i never did as a kid was break into someones house. That said if they hadn't broken in they'd still be alive, so why are they not to blame ?

Sorry but peer pressure is an excuse by the liberal left to assuage guilt from those who've done wrong, it's a cop out from taking responsibility for their actions.

One thing to come out of this, they wont rob anymore houses, so maybe the 80 year old up the road wont be robbed by them and killed by heart attack or something.

And i'd do the same although i'd have to use a crossbow
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2043243


Killed by a heart attack? those knewgrows entering eldery white couple's homes and torturing them to death ring a bell? Kill the motherfuckers no matter what. Only don't be as stupid as telling the police you executed them after neutralizing them with leg shots, now that's a good way to end up in jail for sure.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
I take it Minnesota does not have a castle doctrine.

It should.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379065

Well the issue is he shot them again AFTER they fell which shifts from self-defense to murder in legal eyes. He also ended the misery of the girl with a final shot as she "gasped for air" which by LEGAL standards is no longer a act of defense.

If he had let them bleed out and die horribly from their wounds no one would have cared.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16499015



Well surely some bleeding heart liberals would have cared but he wouldn't have gotten in trouble with the law. The guy is clearly a dumbass.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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They should have robbed this house...

[link to alumni.oxy.edu]

At least they would have been tortured before not making the news
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
Moral of the story:

PARENTS -- Teach your kids that OTHER homes are NOT theirs to break in to.

Apparently, these poor kids parents failed to get the important point across to them.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
This is taken from under the photo. He went overboard, with his shooting.

but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen, according to investigators
 Quoting: Blue Skies


This^^^
Way overboard "a good clean finishing shot" .... WTF You shoot to kill but jesus you don't take pride in destroying another human being's life.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
This is taken from under the photo. He went overboard, with his shooting.

but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen, according to investigators
 Quoting: Blue Skies


This^^^
Way overboard "a good clean finishing shot" .... WTF You shoot to kill but jesus you don't take pride in destroying another human being's life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548115


exactly, the animals on this board that think this was ok are the same as the thugs out in the street.
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Moral of the story:

PARENTS -- Teach your kids that OTHER homes are NOT theirs to break in to.

Apparently, these poor kids parents failed to get the important point across to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


Make a law that allows people to kill and torture home invaders anyway they wish, that's a sure way to end home burglary. Unfortunately this will send a bad message to people, as home owners will be scared to defend themselves and criminals will be more prone to commit crimes.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Moral of the story:

PARENTS -- Teach your kids that OTHER homes are NOT theirs to break in to.

Apparently, these poor kids parents failed to get the important point across to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


Make a law that allows people to kill and torture home invaders anyway they wish, that's a sure way to end home burglary. Unfortunately this will send a bad message to people, as home owners will be scared to defend themselves and criminals will be more prone to commit crimes.
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do you really not see how executing these two kids is not ok? you've got some serious mental issues
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Moral of the story:

PARENTS -- Teach your kids that OTHER homes are NOT theirs to break in to.

Apparently, these poor kids parents failed to get the important point across to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


Make a law that allows people to kill and torture home invaders anyway they wish, that's a sure way to end home burglary. Unfortunately this will send a bad message to people, as home owners will be scared to defend themselves and criminals will be more prone to commit crimes.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


do you really not see how executing these two kids is not ok? you've got some serious mental issues
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Hey guy might be a psycho but if those kids weren't trying to rob someone else's house that wouldn't have happened. The guy didn't go out of his way to kill people, they just gave him a good excuse.

You need to take all subtleties into account here.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Moral of the story:

PARENTS -- Teach your kids that OTHER homes are NOT theirs to break in to.

Apparently, these poor kids parents failed to get the important point across to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


Make a law that allows people to kill and torture home invaders anyway they wish, that's a sure way to end home burglary. Unfortunately this will send a bad message to people, as home owners will be scared to defend themselves and criminals will be more prone to commit crimes.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


There is a law, and it's a law the Secret Service applies with Brute force anytime and to anyone who gets anywhere near the homes of those that have special laws to protect their special family homes...normally special Public 'Servants'.
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Moral of the story:

PARENTS -- Teach your kids that OTHER homes are NOT theirs to break in to.

Apparently, these poor kids parents failed to get the important point across to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


Make a law that allows people to kill and torture home invaders anyway they wish, that's a sure way to end home burglary. Unfortunately this will send a bad message to people, as home owners will be scared to defend themselves and criminals will be more prone to commit crimes.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


do you really not see how executing these two kids is not ok? you've got some serious mental issues
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Hey guy might be a psycho but if those kids weren't trying to rob someone else's house that wouldn't have happened. The guy didn't go out of his way to kill people, they just gave him a good excuse.

You need to take all subtleties into account here.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


sorry, but i feel like putting a gun to the chin of an unarmed teenage girl who had already been immobilized and blowing her head off as "going out of the way"

but hey, i do have a little bit of sense and morals
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
FFS

This was not self defence...

The dude executed two kids...

And if you believe this was a 'robbery', you really need to seek help...

You actually believe that the girl went into the basement minutes later after hearing the boy get executed?

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FFS

This was not self defence...

The dude executed two kids...

And if you believe this was a 'robbery', you really need to seek help...

You actually believe that the girl went into the basement minutes later after hearing the boy get executed?

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This might sound Dumb, but why did they put themselves in harms way? Rob someone without a gun...like old Liberals.
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Did you bother to read what he said?

Stopping them was one thing but he did NOT stop there, he did murder them.

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