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WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.

 
Manu-Koelbren

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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
FFS

This was not self defence...

The dude executed two kids...

And if you believe this was a 'robbery', you really need to seek help...

You actually believe that the girl went into the basement minutes later after hearing the boy get executed?

cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130914


Well if the guy is lying that changes things, it could very well be so. We shall see what the investigation comes to conclusions, but if they did break into that house IMO they deserve whatever they got. The guy could have cannibalized them for all I care, they were dumb enough to get into that situation. People need to understand there's repercussions to their actions, and sometimes you stumble upon really fucked up people. When more fucked up, psychotic angry people start whacking morans off maybe morans will realize they need to mind their own fucking business.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
He executed the girl when he placed the gun under her chin and shot up into her head.
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11/28/2012 11:08 AM
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
Did you bother to read what he said?

Stopping them was one thing but he did NOT stop there, he did murder them.
 Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228


point made

I 100% agree with the right to self defense in one's home, and it is impossible to guess someone's motives, so sadly these days we must assume the worst

However, that said

once the assailant has been stopped/immobilized/what have you, then that's when the homeowner should call the police, and let them handle it from there

imho, the gun is to protect you during that 15-30 min time frame it takes most police to respond to a 911 call
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11/28/2012 11:10 AM
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It's a little excessive the whole under the chin....a little fishy yeah..but i have a Ex marine friend who worked for the State department and he's a little on the kooky side after years of getting mind stalks his house at night with a .45 kinda strange but people just snap!!!
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... he lives in a secluded location ...
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... has been harassed by other break-ins ...
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... the news here wants us to feel sorry for the two foolish teens who were doing WHAT!?!?!? ... on THANKSGIVING! ... when they should have been with their families! ...
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... this was probably planned harassment by the teens that went horribly wrong ... and now the MAN has to also pay the price for THEIR foolishness ...
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
One easy way to not get killed in home robberies, don't fucking rob houses.
--Voltaic--
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
There is a lot more to the story.

He shot one teen, fell down the stairs and then executed the boy at point blank in the face.

Another came down after their cousin, gets shot and falls down the stairs.

The guy went to execute her in the face and the gun jammed. The girl laughs at him. He goes and gets a 22 hand gun, pumps several rounds in her chest and then puts one under her chin into her brain. Telling her it is a clean shot.


He did protect his home, but he also killed the teens AFTER the threat was eliminated.

It is technically legal for him but it is morally wrong on every level.

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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
You are not allowed to shoot unless you are threatened.
And you damn sure can't shoot anyone running away.
So they are on your property, trespass is not a capital
offence punishable by death.
Had this conversation dozens of times while a police officer, where someone said that "if that sumbitch breaks
into my house I'll blow him away".
Well, the police have to live by these rules, so do you.
If these kids were shot in the back, the person who shot them will have to pay.
I believe in gun rights, but with these rights come responsibilities, including a working knowledge of
shoot no shoot decision making and law.
Somebodies going to jail
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the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
There is a lot more to the story.

He shot one teen, fell down the stairs and then executed the boy at point blank in the face.

Another came down after their cousin, gets shot and falls down the stairs.

The guy went to execute her in the face and the gun jammed. The girl laughs at him. He goes and gets a 22 hand gun, pumps several rounds in her chest and then puts one under her chin into her brain. Telling her it is a clean shot.


He did protect his home, but he also killed the teens AFTER the threat was eliminated.

It is technically legal for him but it is morally wrong on every level.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Well looks like these two broke into the wrong house... Before you commit a burglary, make sure it's not the home of a sociopath who keeps a body tarp handy.
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There is a lot more to the story.

He shot one teen, fell down the stairs and then executed the boy at point blank in the face.

Another came down after their cousin, gets shot and falls down the stairs.

The guy went to execute her in the face and the gun jammed. The girl laughs at him. He goes and gets a 22 hand gun, pumps several rounds in her chest and then puts one under her chin into her brain. Telling her it is a clean shot.


He did protect his home, but he also killed the teens AFTER the threat was eliminated.

It is technically legal for him but it is morally wrong on every level.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


Technically it's murder one, at least in fifty states of the union
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

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11/28/2012 11:21 AM
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
So, when you are being robbed and you kill the bastards, you're going to be charged for murdering them even if they're in your house when you shoot them.

WTF is wrong with this country?

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not guilty, and a flame for the prosecutor for wasting my time
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
This is taken from under the photo. He went overboard, with his shooting.

but acknowledged firing "more shots than I needed to" and appeared to take pride in "a good clean finishing shot" for one teen, according to investigators
 Quoting: Blue Skies


This^^^
Way overboard "a good clean finishing shot" .... WTF You shoot to kill but jesus you don't take pride in destroying another human being's life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1548115


Agree.
Would you really want someone like that in your neighbourhood? Next to your house with your kids?
Granted, he had the right to DEFEND himself, but this is just....psycho
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11/28/2012 11:29 AM
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FFS

This was not self defence...

The dude executed two kids...

And if you believe this was a 'robbery', you really need to seek help...

You actually believe that the girl went into the basement minutes later after hearing the boy get executed?

cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130914


Well if the guy is lying that changes things, it could very well be so. We shall see what the investigation comes to conclusions, but if they did break into that house IMO they deserve whatever they got. The guy could have cannibalized them for all I care, they were dumb enough to get into that situation. People need to understand there's repercussions to their actions, and sometimes you stumble upon really fucked up people. When more fucked up, psychotic angry people start whacking morans off maybe morans will realize they need to mind their own fucking business.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


So what you are trying to tell us here is that you're a crazy psychopath who should be monitored?

Because that's what I'm getting from this.

PS. The only morons in this thread are you guys defending a murderer. Maybe you morons need to mind your own fucking business?
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11/28/2012 11:31 AM
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
You are not allowed to shoot unless you are threatened.
<snip whatever>
 Quoting: bvndy


I'm in my home.
I know my family are the only ones allowed in.
I know who has a key.
I know when they're around.
I know I don't have company coming.
I know I live out in the middle of nowhere so I don't get bothered or have to worry about theft & crooks as much.
I'm by myself.
I hear a window upstairs break.
I know my family uses the garage or front door, not a window.

I'm now threatened and body tingling takes into effect because something "unknown" is going on upstairs that shouldn't be.

That's enough.

Kids - Don't break into homes. Sheesh.
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You are not allowed to shoot unless you are threatened.
<snip whatever>
 Quoting: bvndy


I'm in my home.
I know my family are the only ones allowed in.
I know who has a key.
I know when they're around.
I know I don't have company coming.
I know I live out in the middle of nowhere so I don't get bothered or have to worry about theft & crooks as much.
I'm by myself.
I hear a window upstairs break.
I know my family uses the garage or front door, not a window.

I'm now threatened and body tingling takes into effect because something "unknown" is going on upstairs that shouldn't be.

That's enough.

Kids - Don't break into homes. Sheesh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


you left out the part where the homeowner stopped the threat and then murdered two people
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So, when you are being robbed and you kill the bastards, you're going to be charged for murdering them even if they're in your house when you shoot them.

WTF is wrong with this country?

[link to www.newsday.com]
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there is no god in this country, that is what is wrong.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

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THINK
Years ago a friend of mine came home early from work
to his country home, enters and finds two young men had broken in and were stealing his stuff, he confronted them and a fight started, He was stabbed in the chest and left bleeding
he got to his car and drove one mile to his parents farm and died in the front yard as the school bus was dropped off his young kids.
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So, when you are being robbed and you kill the bastards, you're going to be charged for murdering them even if they're in your house when you shoot them.

WTF is wrong with this country?

[link to www.newsday.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5248308


there is no god in this country, that is what is wrong.
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WWJD?

you're a fucking hypocrite
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
You are not allowed to shoot unless you are threatened.
<snip whatever>
 Quoting: bvndy


I'm in my home.
I know my family are the only ones allowed in.
I know who has a key.
I know when they're around.
I know I don't have company coming.
I know I live out in the middle of nowhere so I don't get bothered or have to worry about theft & crooks as much.
I'm by myself.
I hear a window upstairs break.
I know my family uses the garage or front door, not a window.

I'm now threatened and body tingling takes into effect because something "unknown" is going on upstairs that shouldn't be.

That's enough.

Kids - Don't break into homes. Sheesh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


you left out the part where the homeowner stopped the threat and then murdered two people
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Threat not stopped until they have stopped breathing, breath stopped, no chance whatsoever of them getting up, shot in the leg, possibility of them getting up, pulling a gun and then shooting homeowner.
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THINK
Years ago a friend of mine came home early from work
to his country home, enters and finds two young men had broken in and were stealing his stuff, he confronted them and a fight started, He was stabbed in the chest and left bleeding
he got to his car and drove one mile to his parents farm and died in the front yard as the school bus was dropped off his young kids.
 Quoting: otherside 24527249


what's your point?
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You are not allowed to shoot unless you are threatened.
<snip whatever>
 Quoting: bvndy


I'm in my home.
I know my family are the only ones allowed in.
I know who has a key.
I know when they're around.
I know I don't have company coming.
I know I live out in the middle of nowhere so I don't get bothered or have to worry about theft & crooks as much.
I'm by myself.
I hear a window upstairs break.
I know my family uses the garage or front door, not a window.

I'm now threatened and body tingling takes into effect because something "unknown" is going on upstairs that shouldn't be.

That's enough.

Kids - Don't break into homes. Sheesh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


you left out the part where the homeowner stopped the threat and then murdered two people
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Threat not stopped until they have stopped breathing, breath stopped, no chance whatsoever of them getting up, shot in the leg, possibility of them getting up, pulling a gun and then shooting homeowner.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2209280


guess you missed the part that said they were unarmed.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
FFS

This was not self defence...

The dude executed two kids...

And if you believe this was a 'robbery', you really need to seek help...

You actually believe that the girl went into the basement minutes later after hearing the boy get executed?

cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130914

They're no longer kids at 18...they knew what they were doing was wrong and they payed the ultimate price.
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
I take it Minnesota does not have a castle doctrine.

It should.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1379065


It does actually; although not as strong of one as say Texas or New Hampshire.

If it goes to trial (instead of just pleading out which I kind of suspect will happen) it could be a real first impression type of case. If there was ever a set of facts that might cause a court to carve out exceptions in the castle doctrine, it would be this.
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I'm in my home.
I know my family are the only ones allowed in.
I know who has a key.
I know when they're around.
I know I don't have company coming.
I know I live out in the middle of nowhere so I don't get bothered or have to worry about theft & crooks as much.
I'm by myself.
I hear a window upstairs break.
I know my family uses the garage or front door, not a window.

I'm now threatened and body tingling takes into effect because something "unknown" is going on upstairs that shouldn't be.

That's enough.

Kids - Don't break into homes. Sheesh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


you left out the part where the homeowner stopped the threat and then murdered two people
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Threat not stopped until they have stopped breathing, breath stopped, no chance whatsoever of them getting up, shot in the leg, possibility of them getting up, pulling a gun and then shooting homeowner.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2209280


guess you missed the part that said they were unarmed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


1. I was justifying the first quoted text of "you are not allowed to shoot unless threatened." I was not justifying murder. There's a difference.

2. AC9280(?) says threat not stopped until no breathing. How does a home owner, sitting by himself in his home, minding his own business out in the middle of nowhere, reasonably assume that someone breaking in does not have a lethal weapon? They are already committing a crime to break in and steal something from you, don't you think they could've planned for 'domestic resistance' and packed a gun themselves?

The point is.. at the time, you don't know. That's reason enough.

Stay out of my house.
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He over did it. There's a difference between protecting your property and shooting someone until they are hamburger.
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You are not allowed to shoot unless you are threatened.
And you damn sure can't shoot anyone running away.
So they are on your property, trespass is not a capital
offence punishable by death.
Had this conversation dozens of times while a police officer, where someone said that "if that sumbitch breaks
into my house I'll blow him away".
Well, the police have to live by these rules, so do you.
If these kids were shot in the back, the person who shot them will have to pay.
I believe in gun rights, but with these rights come responsibilities, including a working knowledge of
shoot no shoot decision making and law.
Somebodies going to jail
 Quoting: bvndy


trespass?

they had already broke into this mans home and who knows WTF they might have done had he not been armed....

it was excessive and now his life is ruined cause of a few POS 'hood rats'

fuck em....
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you left out the part where the homeowner stopped the threat and then murdered two people
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Threat not stopped until they have stopped breathing, breath stopped, no chance whatsoever of them getting up, shot in the leg, possibility of them getting up, pulling a gun and then shooting homeowner.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2209280


guess you missed the part that said they were unarmed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


1. I was justifying the first quoted text of "you are not allowed to shoot unless threatened." I was not justifying murder. There's a difference.

2. AC9280(?) says threat not stopped until no breathing. How does a home owner, sitting by himself in his home, minding his own business out in the middle of nowhere, reasonably assume that someone breaking in does not have a lethal weapon? They are already committing a crime to break in and steal something from you, don't you think they could've planned for 'domestic resistance' and packed a gun themselves?

The point is.. at the time, you don't know. That's reason enough.

Stay out of my house.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492996


i agree. however it's very clear they were no longer threats once they had been shot and rendered immobile. THEN he chose to kill them. what's so hard to grasp about the chain of events? the article and quotes from the homeowner are very clear
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FFS

This was not self defence...

The dude executed two kids...

And if you believe this was a 'robbery', you really need to seek help...

You actually believe that the girl went into the basement minutes later after hearing the boy get executed?

cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130914


This might sound Dumb, but why did they put themselves in harms way? Rob someone without a gun...like old Liberals.
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


Betting they were there 'willingly'...

Till he killed them...

The 'story' of the chick coming down the stairs long after the boy was shot, and then 'laughing' at the guy so he put one under her chin, is total bullshit...

Did he lure them there with the promise of sex/drugs/money and then kill them?

More likely IMNSHO...
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Re: WTF?? Guy who's house was robbed by teens gets charged for 2nd degree murder for wasting the 2 punks in his house.
'Wasting to punks' hahahaha

Is that you, Clint Eastwood??

FFS, ill tell you whats wrong with your country.
Twits like you who think its ok to shoot 2 kids in the back while running away.
Have you ever done something wrong when you were young?

Do you think you deserved to get shot for it?

We all get into situations, and do things we aint proud of from time to time.

Imagine if one of them was your child, and through Peer pressure or hat ever he found himself in that situation, youd be happy for him to get shot (Translation for the yanks: 'to get a cap popped in his ass homey'
 Quoting: Bernard 7437263


NO fuckwad, I never BROKE INTO SOMEONES HOME ON THANKSGIVING.

No wonder your country has turned into a shit hole. Fucking moron.
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I will be the first to say that a person is within their rights to defend themselves and their property. That being said, there is something very fishy with this story.
 Quoting: BioReaper


Wording and circumstances, very fishy.
WTH?

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