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A timelapse message from ISS to all Humankind --Further Up Yonder

 
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Europe is about to collapse into a flaming pile of rubbish. Please do not point to the European Abomination in any way and claim there is anything positive, it is a total failure. No borders=One giant prison for everyone!Yea it would be good to travel wherever you need to for work, but there is another side to that coin; the NWO Police can go wherever they want to come and get you. You cannot hide, they have total jurisdiction, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Bible makes it clear; peace is impossible until Christ returns, so instead of letting the NWO brainwash into accepting this idea that all they really want is peace and harmony, how about we start trying our best to make government as TRANSPARENT as possible. Therein lies true freedom.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


Europe is said to collapse since late 2009 when the greece issue came up. I think that the EURO will collapse but not the EU.
The problem i see here is the power which has been given to Brussels (EU Headquarter). They control a Lot!

But there are are also a lot of political parties in many countries who want to cut that central descition making power.

I think that after the EURO the EU still exists, just without a central currency.

I personnaly hope it will be a gold backed curency.

And pls note that im saying that as a non EU member resident!

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" .... get rid of BORDERS of countries ..." New World Order propaganda !

WHO 'inserted' that crap ?

Eagle
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Why does everyone attribute to giving the land back to its people in entirety to NWOism. It is shit brained thinking and backwards at that. Us humans have always been entitled to all of the earth without dumb monkeys going around peeing on their huge swatch of the earth and screaming "MINE!"
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" .... get rid of BORDERS of countries ..." New World Order propaganda !

WHO 'inserted' that crap ?

Eagle
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This!
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This is CGI
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"FURTHER UP YONDER".......What that this "REALLY" mean?
you brainiacs
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"FURTHER UP YONDER".......What that this "REALLY" mean?
you brainiacs
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Go beyond
where you have been


That was easy. Another one?
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"As a filmmaking student, this was my first attempt to craft a timelapse video. It has been a time consuming process, but it turned out as one of my most satisfying projects.

Pictures were downloaded from the Image Science & Analysis Laboratory, NASA Johnson Space Center and edited with Photoshop CS6. Even if they were Hi-res images shot with Nikon D3S cameras, a lot of noise removal and color correction was needed, especially for those shots at ISO 3200, which was the highest ISO speed limit I’ve allowed myself to use, exception made for the last sequence of the spinning world, which comes from a sequenze of shots taken at ISO 12800. Daytime shots were taken at ISO 200. I’ve used Topaz Denoise 5 for noise removal, as it is very powerful and accurate when dealing with shadows and blacks."


Read more here at the filmmaker's blog:

[link to www.giacomo.sardelli.name]
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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"As a filmmaking student, this was my first attempt to craft a timelapse video. It has been a time consuming process, but it turned out as one of my most satisfying projects.

Pictures were downloaded from the Image Science & Analysis Laboratory, NASA Johnson Space Center and edited with Photoshop CS6. Even if they were Hi-res images shot with Nikon D3S cameras, a lot of noise removal and color correction was needed, especially for those shots at ISO 3200, which was the highest ISO speed limit I’ve allowed myself to use, exception made for the last sequence of the spinning world, which comes from a sequenze of shots taken at ISO 12800. Daytime shots were taken at ISO 200. I’ve used Topaz Denoise 5 for noise removal, as it is very powerful and accurate when dealing with shadows and blacks."


Read more here at the filmmaker's blog:

[link to www.giacomo.sardelli.name]
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Tnx for genuin footage, 5 *
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" .... get rid of BORDERS of countries ..." New World Order propaganda !

WHO 'inserted' that crap ?

Eagle
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My thoughts exactly.
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I wish I could be there for a couple of loops. Freaking awesome.
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"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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I'm a Neuroscience major, and this is one of the reasons why:

*I can no longer find the original article as it was published over a year ago, but here is a different link*

[link to p4you.wordpress.com]

I find it interesting that here on Earth, we of the same species, cannot find it within ourselves to get along and treat one another with respect...yet we're so interested in finding life on another planet.

When we see that Nature extends beyond the boundaries of our atmosphere, and realize that our galaxy is one of an innumerable number, perhaps our own differences won't seem so astronomical (hehe, sorry, couldn't resist).

Thanks OP! HF

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" .... get rid of BORDERS of countries ..." New World Order propaganda !

WHO 'inserted' that crap ?

Eagle
 Quoting: Eagle # 1 28447870


If there were no borders there would be peace on earth.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis


If there were no borders there would be peace?

You are dreaming or evil or both.
Peace without borders around the would require an abject collective tyranny over ALL who live on earth.

In this universe borders (boundaries)- both physical sociological- are necessary for a safe and healthy and productive existence.

Even single cell organisms have borders that protect them and control what passes both ways.

Your brain has membranes which protect it from threat.
Your bowels are designed to protect you from otherwise harmful waste.
Prisons have walls that separate the harmful from the healthy.

Borders (boundaries) protect economies, cultures, and lands and waters.

Finally, keep in mind that the very earth itself has an atmospheric and electrical border which protects it as well. Perhaps you would like that shield to be removed as well?

We are not the Borg and we never will be.
If you don't like humanity, then feel free to depart this existence.
 Quoting: Truthache


I am sorry you don't understand.

Look around you. Do you see?

$$$$$

We, with all our borders are on the eve of destruction.

Peace brother. Hope you figure it out.
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I'm a Neuroscience major, and this is one of the reasons why:

*I can no longer find the original article as it was published over a year ago, but here is a different link*

[link to p4you.wordpress.com]

I find it interesting that here on Earth, we of the same species, cannot find it within ourselves to get along and treat one another with respect...yet we're so interested in finding life on another planet.

When we see that Nature extends beyond the boundaries of our atmosphere, and realize that our galaxy is one of an innumerable number, perhaps our own differences won't seem so astronomical (hehe, sorry, couldn't resist).

Thanks OP! HF

+1
 Quoting: *Aurora*


That link you posted reminded me of another that caught my eye earlier today:

Universe Grows Like a Giant Brain

[link to www.space.com]

hf
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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I'm a Neuroscience major, and this is one of the reasons why:

*I can no longer find the original article as it was published over a year ago, but here is a different link*

[link to p4you.wordpress.com]

I find it interesting that here on Earth, we of the same species, cannot find it within ourselves to get along and treat one another with respect...yet we're so interested in finding life on another planet.

When we see that Nature extends beyond the boundaries of our atmosphere, and realize that our galaxy is one of an innumerable number, perhaps our own differences won't seem so astronomical (hehe, sorry, couldn't resist).

Thanks OP! HF

+1
 Quoting: *Aurora*


That link you posted reminded me of another that caught my eye earlier today:

Universe Grows Like a Giant Brain

[link to www.space.com]

hf
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Hey I saw that while I was trying find the link (of the original article)!

My favorite quote:
“Recognize that the very molecules that make up your body, the atoms that construct the molecules, are traceable to the crucibles that were once the centers of high mass stars that exploded their chemically rich guts into the galaxy, enriching pristine gas clouds with the chemistry of life. So that we are all connected to each other biologically, to the earth chemically and to the rest of the universe atomically. That’s kinda cool! That makes me smile and I actually feel quite large at the end of that. It’s not that we are better than the universe, we are part of the universe. We are in the universe and the universe is in us.”
- Neil deGrasse Tyson
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hmm
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Doesn't it have to do with the sun being visible? When the sun is shining while you take the photo it will drown out all other light, but when it was behind the earth in these shots you can see the stars like you can at night normally.
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Typically, day light pics of Earth from space has the Sun behind the camera. Many pics of the Moon (with no direct sun light) will have zero stars.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


If the sun is behind the earth then the stars would show up in the moon photo, but if it is not then there may be no stars in the photo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28580523


Like pics from the Apollo missions? They had pics of lunar surface before lunar sunrise....no stars.

I say this because I am a firm believer in the "NASA photoshops their images" to hide extraterrestrial life.
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We ain't seen nothing yet!

Sorry for the use of the word "ain't", but in other words, what you beheld in this video and what the astronauts have actually seen with their own eyes, is a tiny glimpse of the majestic beauty and splendor that is to come!

We will be so overcome with all the grandeur that our eyes will behold--it will drop us to our knees!

"The heavens declare the glory of the mighty God" (Psalms 19:1)

and from the Prophet Ezekial 1:22-28

Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome.

Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body.

When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.

Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings.

Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.

I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him.

Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.

This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.

However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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That was stunning...chill inducing for me and possibly tear inducing for others!

We take this world for granted.

I cannot wait to behold the beauty of the Universe, our Creator's creation.

I don't see it as a push for the NWO, it is a push for empathy and love. Let the NWO try and intervene...they will ultimately be struck down by truth and love.
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That was stunning...chill inducing for me and possibly tear inducing for others!

We take this world for granted.

I cannot wait to behold the beauty of the Universe, our Creator's creation.

I don't see it as a push for the NWO, it is a push for empathy and love. Let the NWO try and intervene...they will ultimately be struck down by truth and love.
 Quoting: Eazy D


hf
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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Interesting point to make.....

Why can we see thousands of stars in the video, yet not 1 star in hundreds of NASA photos of Earth and the Moon?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

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For the same reason you can't see stars around my widefield views of the moon in this video, but later I slew the telescope elsewhere to look at things like the Orion nebula and Andromeda galaxy and there are tons of stars visible. It's all about the exposure of the image. For recording the daylit moon without over-exposing it (and same applies to the earth when the station is on the daytime side and the astronauts are doing normal photography) a fast exposure is needed, thus you can't see all the stars that are there surrounding the moon but are too dim to be seen. When taking pictures of the daylit ISS, the same rule applies, whether the pictures are being taken by astronauts there at the station or by telescopes on the ground.

It is only when they're photographing ISS and/or the earth on the night side and doing long exposure photography that you can see the stars. Astronaut Don Pettit adapted amateur astrophotography techniques to make it possible to take the long exposure photos that make up these timelapse videos.
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Interesting point to make.....

Why can we see thousands of stars in the video, yet not 1 star in hundreds of NASA photos of Earth and the Moon?
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

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For the same reason you can't see stars around my widefield views of the moon in this video, but later I slew the telescope elsewhere to look at things like the Orion nebula and Andromeda galaxy and there are tons of stars visible. It's all about the exposure of the image. For recording the daylit moon without over-exposing it (and same applies to the earth when the station is on the daytime side and the astronauts are doing normal photography) a fast exposure is needed, thus you can't see all the stars that are there surrounding the moon but are too dim to be seen. When taking pictures of the daylit ISS, the same rule applies, whether the pictures are being taken by astronauts there at the station or by telescopes on the ground.

It is only when they're photographing ISS and/or the earth on the night side and doing long exposure photography that you can see the stars. Astronaut Don Pettit adapted amateur astrophotography techniques to make it possible to take the long exposure photos that make up these timelapse videos.
[link to www.flickr.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thank you, Astromut, for the explanation.

When my photographer son comes home from work tonight, I intend to ask him the posted question--I am curious as to whether or not he will know the answer.

hf
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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" .... get rid of BORDERS of countries ..." New World Order propaganda !

WHO 'inserted' that crap ?

Eagle
 Quoting: Eagle # 1 28447870


If there were no borders there would be peace on earth.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis


If there were no borders there would be peace?

You are dreaming or evil or both.
Peace without borders around the would require an abject collective tyranny over ALL who live on earth.

In this universe borders (boundaries)- both physical and sociological- are necessary for a safe and healthy and productive existence.

Even single cell organisms have borders that protect them and control what passes both ways.

Your brain has membranes which protect it from threat.
Your bowels are designed to protect you from otherwise harmful waste.
Prisons have walls that separate the harmful from the healthy.

Borders (boundaries) protect economies, cultures, lands and waters.

Finally, keep in mind that the very earth itself has an atmospheric and electrical border which protects it as well. Perhaps you would like that shield to be removed?

We are not the Borg and we never will be.
If you don't like humanity, then feel free to depart this existence.
 Quoting: Truthache



I don't understand what you are saying. Is it that you feel other countries are a threat, physically harmful, and dangerous criminals?
I would love to see people come together, unity is the key. Just imagine what we could accomplish if we all worked together.
I love humanity, it seems as though it is you who does not!
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So easy to get caught up in this shit and just gaze in awe at the stars and say YEA NO BORDERS WE HAVE 2 BE PEACEFUL AND LOVE EACHOTHER,AND UNITE THE WHOLE WIDE WOWLD OW YEA

But no, thats not how it goes!


Ave Dominus Nox
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BUT PEOPLE......BORDERS WOULD NOT MATTER ANYMORE according to this...


[link to www.youtube.com]


aND WE WILL DEFINATELY GO UP UP UP AND BEYOND...

ha ha ha
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chemtrails seen from the vid
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If there were no borders there would be peace on earth.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis


Uhm no, you've got it backwards. When there is peace on Earth, then we can have no borders. Until then, the New World Order and globalist bankster corporate conglomerates will continue to wage war on the people in an attempt to enslave the human race.

Now once we can get rid of them, then we can talk about no borders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


No borders benefits us people. The corporations dont have any borders for the last 20+ years. Here in europe we dont have borders anymore and thats good for the people, a guy from a country where jobs are short can move to a country where he is needed - as a right to do so - no permits needed to get.

So no border is good - but it doesnt mean NWO - we are still different countries with different laws and a national government.
 Quoting: Kim_IL


Europe is about to collapse into a flaming pile of rubbish. Please do not point to the European Abomination in any way and claim there is anything positive, it is a total failure. No borders=One giant prison for everyone!Yea it would be good to travel wherever you need to for work, but there is another side to that coin; the NWO Police can go wherever they want to come and get you. You cannot hide, they have total jurisdiction, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Bible makes it clear; peace is impossible until Christ returns, so instead of letting the NWO brainwash into accepting this idea that all they really want is peace and harmony, how about we start trying our best to make government as TRANSPARENT as possible. Therein lies true freedom.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


But doesn't the bible also say love thy neighbor as thy self? Doesn't it also talk about welcoming the stranger and giving refuge to the refugee. Wasn't Jesus' vision to unite God's children thru love. Those who say that the immigrant is not my brother well then God is not your Father.
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agent Incredible Thread KoFFee .......C.C
John 3:16
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agent Incredible Thread KoFFee .......C.C
 Quoting: CaptCarter

:gnht:

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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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" .... get rid of BORDERS of countries ..." New World Order propaganda !

WHO 'inserted' that crap ?

Eagle
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If there were no borders there would be peace on earth.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis


I agree,we all live on the same planet and act like kids squabbling over which piece of dirt we own.I wish all humans could get over this shit.We dont need a NWO to run the whole world,local governments are the way,but borders are only good for sport and trade.
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Uhm no, you've got it backwards. When there is peace on Earth, then we can have no borders. Until then, the New World Order and globalist bankster corporate conglomerates will continue to wage war on the people in an attempt to enslave the human race.

Now once we can get rid of them, then we can talk about no borders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


No borders benefits us people. The corporations dont have any borders for the last 20+ years. Here in europe we dont have borders anymore and thats good for the people, a guy from a country where jobs are short can move to a country where he is needed - as a right to do so - no permits needed to get.

So no border is good - but it doesnt mean NWO - we are still different countries with different laws and a national government.
 Quoting: Kim_IL


Europe is about to collapse into a flaming pile of rubbish. Please do not point to the European Abomination in any way and claim there is anything positive, it is a total failure. No borders=One giant prison for everyone!Yea it would be good to travel wherever you need to for work, but there is another side to that coin; the NWO Police can go wherever they want to come and get you. You cannot hide, they have total jurisdiction, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Bible makes it clear; peace is impossible until Christ returns, so instead of letting the NWO brainwash into accepting this idea that all they really want is peace and harmony, how about we start trying our best to make government as TRANSPARENT as possible. Therein lies true freedom.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


But doesn't the bible also say love thy neighbor as thy self? Doesn't it also talk about welcoming the stranger and giving refuge to the refugee. Wasn't Jesus' vision to unite God's children thru love. Those who say that the immigrant is not my brother well then God is not your Father.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6923716


Absolutely, but that is a personal matter. You cannot legislate morality, and you cannot FORCE everyone into that point of view. Just like taxing to provide for the "underprivileged" is a terrible burden upon the people. When free people are allowed to spend their money freely, they will certainly give it to those in need, and they will certainly do a better job at dispersing the wealth than the government ever could. When the State steps in and forcibly takes wealth from one person, and gives it to another, you no longer have freedom, but slavery.

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