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BREAKING!! Obama to bypass congress to ban semiautomatic firearms!!

 
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Yea... you do know that hitting something with a "bow'narrow" from 50 yards is not that big of a deal right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574


you appear fixated on a fantasy that youre gonna robin hood your way against an armored vehicle and/or a team of minions sent to dispose of you and claim your property for the state.
You need help, not advice or education
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


No - I never said I was going to Robin Hood my way against an armored vehicle... vehicles were never in this until you pulled them out of your ass in that response...

You said you can't penetrate armor with an arrow. I countered that you could and asked if you had a citation. Then you proceeded to try to get snarky with your "bow'narrow" and rapier comment and I asked if you realized that bows can hit shit from 50 yards out pretty easily.

I don't personally shoot "bow'narrow" but I know many who do. Additionally, I don't plan on going all Rambo against a team sent to dispose of me nor did I ever imply I was. You are the one who seems to be making up fantasy scenarios here, sparkles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574


the specs on interceptor armor are available online, if youre interested in learning a thing or two.
I'm unaware of any current military armor/flack vests being defeated by non firearm projectiles, so I'll turn it around and request YOU TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CLAIM IS EVEN TRUE, sparkles.
You do what every inexperience wannabe does, which is expect other to teach them or imagine that their limited, unrealistic scenario is all that there is.
Not gonna get that to work here.
I'll stick with the published stats compared to your allegations, anyday
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Look, fucknut, I never proposed any scenario. Period. YOU said straight out that "neither a bow OR an arrow will penetrate milspec issue armor". I - quite nicely I believe - asked for a citation as many vests designed to stop bullets do NOT stop arrows or other piercing weapons. I even asked - again nicely - if you maybe meant they would stop an arrow if they had the trauma plates installed. Then you tried to be snarky prick.

I went to look up specs for interceptor armor, as apparently we're only talking about that specific armor here. I did not find anything indicating it would stop piercing weapons. I checked and did not find anything contradicting my statement, and you can't/won't provide any evidence otherwise, so I'll stick with my assertion that you are wrong about arrows not being able to penetrate it.

skull_fing
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This is getting a little bit old.
I mean everyday you hear some bs article about Obama banning all weapons.

Why are people so afraid that Obama will take their guns? Is it really the black thing? "oh noes, a black person has power over me, he will surely ban guns so the blacks can finally take revenge on us for what we did to them for so many years".
 Quoting: Phill


It has NOTHING to da with a "black-thing" you freaking idiot. It has everything to do with anyone trying to take our guns and rendering us all "helpless". What motive would someone have for wanted their people helpless and defenseless? I'll tell you...bad people that would want to take us us by force(they would have the weapons and we the people wouldn't) make all of us their slaves..that includes you to!!! If these assholes that actually believed what they profess...which is guns are bad. Then let our military set an "example and dis-arm themselves first!!! After-all, battles,wars and self-defense can always be won by barehands right? You think you stand a chance against a wild animal say a coyote,wolk, wild dogs or bears...with no gun? What about beign able to hunt for food as well...many uses for guns. But especially the right to self protect and one's family, etc. The police ony show-up after someone's shot or dead. I'll be damned if i'm going to leave my life and safety(and my loved-ones) in the hands of someone else who doesn't give a rats-ass about me or my loved-ones. What kind of pussy would want to sit around atching their family be murdered while waiting for cops or military to come be our saviour?! You know, it really does amaze me the "denseness" of the majority of you european folks.
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It's amazing how effective Charlton Heston was at convincing weak minded individuals who happen to like owning firearms for various purposes like hunting, self defense, range shooting, etc. that the government, and more specifically, liberal candidates running for office are somehow going to take your guns away if they are elected. Gun rights have not substantially changed in forever and no president has taken guns away from people. Furthermore, the president to sign the most substantial gun reform legislation was the H.W. Bush.
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Ever hear of Katrina asshole? Guns were taken away!
Stick your head back up your ass and breath deeply!
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It's amazing how effective Charlton Heston was at convincing weak minded individuals who happen to like owning firearms for various purposes like hunting, self defense, range shooting, etc. that the government, and more specifically, liberal candidates running for office are somehow going to take your guns away if they are elected. Gun rights have not substantially changed in forever and no president has taken guns away from people. Furthermore, the president to sign the most substantial gun reform legislation was the H.W. Bush.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5314341


Ever hear of Katrina asshole? Guns were taken away!
Stick your head back up your ass and breath deeply!
 Quoting: Nam Marine 24695931


Thank you! It's so annoying when people don't know the facts.

Hours after he was elected, Obama backed a “U.N. committee's call…to renew debate over an international treaty to regulate the $60 billion global arms trade,” [link to www.examiner.com]

In 2009, shortly after being elected, he overturned Bush's position and said he would back talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales.

Sheesh!
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Your're a Fucking racist for bringing skin color into the debate
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Maybe you should look up what a racist is. No don't bother, I will help you

Racist: A person who views one race as superior or views other races as inferior.
 Quoting: Phill


Actually, it is:

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Read 1. carefully. You fit the bill kid.
stfu
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That's nothing! What he needs to do is ban food, water, power, fuel, clothing, and shelter. Close all the banks, and collapse the economy. Like why is he trying to half azz this? Just banning semi auto, big deal. That's lame. HE SHOULD GO WHOLE HOG! Like since TPTB want to kill everyone anyway, why not just go for it.
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Actually, it is:

rac·ism (rszm)
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1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Read 1. carefully. You fit the bill kid.
stfu
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13310174


Can you explain it to me? My European "denseness" inhibits me from grasping how asking if its the black thing is the same as believing that race accounts for differences in human character or ability.
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This is getting a little bit old.
I mean everyday you hear some bs article about Obama banning all weapons.

Why are people so afraid that Obama will take their guns? Is it really the black thing? "oh noes, a black person has power over me, he will surely ban guns so the blacks can finally take revenge on us for what we did to them for so many years".
 Quoting: Phill

Notice how this person goes right back to race? Immediately trying to trigger "white guilt" reaction? Little does he know it may work on the average joe in day to day life...not here though don't know why people constantly try and peddle that bullshit here it never works.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


Yes it does work but in the heads of paranoid delusionals it "doesn't".

The poster you replied to is very apt with his "race" argument. You don't get it because you'd have to be smarter than the people who don't get it, but since you're one of them..Good Luck.
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I would like to see just one good poster from the Netherlands. Are there any???
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I would like to see just one good poster from the Netherlands. Are there any???
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Coming from the GLP forum I can take that as a compliment :)
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Your're a Fucking racist for bringing skin color into the debate
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Maybe you should look up what a racist is. No don't bother, I will help you

Racist: A person who views one race as superior or views other races as inferior.
 Quoting: Phill


Actually, it is:

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Read 1. carefully. You fit the bill kid.
stfu
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It's like you're not even in the same conversation, or can't understand how to follow and respond. Seriously, either you're like 12 years old or something is really wrong with you.
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you appear fixated on a fantasy that youre gonna robin hood your way against an armored vehicle and/or a team of minions sent to dispose of you and claim your property for the state.
You need help, not advice or education
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


No - I never said I was going to Robin Hood my way against an armored vehicle... vehicles were never in this until you pulled them out of your ass in that response...

You said you can't penetrate armor with an arrow. I countered that you could and asked if you had a citation. Then you proceeded to try to get snarky with your "bow'narrow" and rapier comment and I asked if you realized that bows can hit shit from 50 yards out pretty easily.

I don't personally shoot "bow'narrow" but I know many who do. Additionally, I don't plan on going all Rambo against a team sent to dispose of me nor did I ever imply I was. You are the one who seems to be making up fantasy scenarios here, sparkles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574


the specs on interceptor armor are available online, if youre interested in learning a thing or two.
I'm unaware of any current military armor/flack vests being defeated by non firearm projectiles, so I'll turn it around and request YOU TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CLAIM IS EVEN TRUE, sparkles.
You do what every inexperience wannabe does, which is expect other to teach them or imagine that their limited, unrealistic scenario is all that there is.
Not gonna get that to work here.
I'll stick with the published stats compared to your allegations, anyday
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Look, fucknut, I never proposed any scenario. Period. YOU said straight out that "neither a bow OR an arrow will penetrate milspec issue armor". I - quite nicely I believe - asked for a citation as many vests designed to stop bullets do NOT stop arrows or other piercing weapons. I even asked - again nicely - if you maybe meant they would stop an arrow if they had the trauma plates installed. Then you tried to be snarky prick.

I went to look up specs for interceptor armor, as apparently we're only talking about that specific armor here. I did not find anything indicating it would stop piercing weapons. I checked and did not find anything contradicting my statement, and you can't/won't provide any evidence otherwise, so I'll stick with my assertion that you are wrong about arrows not being able to penetrate it.

skull_fing
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hahaha. If you had some, as I do, and had some experience with it, you'd understand, but since you dont, it doesnt matter.
Believe what you want, the concern over penetrance of milspec vests by edged or icepick items is something left over from the early days of civilian ballistic protection, something you wont have to worry about when the boyz come to visit.
You seem to have forgotten the point, which is no personal weapon in civilian hands, save for a 50 bmg or and 88 magnum is going to concern any officially designated raiding parties or for that matter, slow them down.
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This is getting a little bit old.
I mean everyday you hear some bs article about Obama banning all weapons.

Why are people so afraid that Obama will take their guns? Is it really the black thing? "oh noes, a black person has power over me, he will surely ban guns so the blacks can finally take revenge on us for what we did to them for so many years".
 Quoting: Phill

Notice how this person goes right back to race? Immediately trying to trigger "white guilt" reaction? Little does he know it may work on the average joe in day to day life...not here though don't know why people constantly try and peddle that bullshit here it never works.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


Yes it does work but in the heads of paranoid delusionals it "doesn't".

The poster you replied to is very apt with his "race" argument. You don't get it because you'd have to be smarter than the people who don't get it, but since you're one of them..Good Luck.
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I would like to see just one good poster from the Netherlands. Are there any???
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There are plenty of good dutch posers to be found.

oh, you meant posters, my bad
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Why are people so afraid that Obama will take their guns? Is it really the black thing?
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You've GOT to be kidding. You think people don't want to lose their defensive capabilities because of a racial thing?

I can't fathom how close-minded you must be.
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Notice how this person goes right back to race? Immediately trying to trigger "white guilt" reaction? Little does he know it may work on the average joe in day to day life...not here though don't know why people constantly try and peddle that bullshit here it never works.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


Yes it does work but in the heads of paranoid delusionals it "doesn't".

The poster you replied to is very apt with his "race" argument. You don't get it because you'd have to be smarter than the people who don't get it, but since you're one of them..Good Luck.
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I would like to see just one good poster from the Netherlands. Are there any???
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There are plenty of good dutch posers to be found.

oh, you meant posters, my bad
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Why are people so afraid that Obama will take their guns? Is it really the black thing?
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You've GOT to be kidding. You think people don't want to lose their defensive capabilities because of a racial thing?

I can't fathom how close-minded you must be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 610727


Well when has Obama said he is going to take away all guns? I have never heard him say that hence why I said is it really the black thing a.i. I find this whole reaction so absurd that I can't think of any other reason than racial prejudice.
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Actually, it is:

rac·ism (rszm)
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1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Read 1. carefully. You fit the bill kid.
stfu
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13310174


Can you explain it to me? My European "denseness" inhibits me from grasping how asking if its the black thing is the same as believing that race accounts for differences in human character or ability.
 Quoting: Phill


Instantly, you assumed that race has anything to do with people having an opinion about the actions of a human being. If someone said that "the n**** in office is f***in up", then maybe your 2 cents would hold weight. Grow up. We've all bashed public figures for there idiotic behavior. You, however, were the only one to assume race has anything to do with it.
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hahaha. If you had some, as I do, and had some experience with it, you'd understand, but since you dont, it doesnt matter.
Believe what you want, the concern over penetrance of milspec vests by edged or icepick items is something left over from the early days of civilian ballistic protection, something you wont have to worry about when the boyz come to visit.
You seem to have forgotten the point, which is no personal weapon in civilian hands, save for a 50 bmg or and 88 magnum is going to concern any officially designated raiding parties or for that matter, slow them down.
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Not so. In fact, this is absolute horse shit.
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That's nothing! What he needs to do is ban food, water, power, fuel, clothing, and shelter. Close all the banks, and collapse the economy. Like why is he trying to half azz this? Just banning semi auto, big deal. That's lame. HE SHOULD GO WHOLE HOG! Like since TPTB want to kill everyone anyway, why not just go for it.
 Quoting: Rtruth

This is where most people go wrong.
TPTB DO NOT want to KILL everyone! They need obedient slaves.
They just want to kill those who will not comply and become slaves!
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This is getting a little bit old.
I mean everyday you hear some bs article about Obama banning all weapons.

Why are people so afraid that Obama will take their guns? Is it really the black thing? "oh noes, a black person has power over me, he will surely ban guns so the blacks can finally take revenge on us for what we did to them for so many years".
 Quoting: Phill


You hear about it because he signed the UN gun control treaty. He will never get it ratified. 51 senators signed a letter sent to him that says the UN treaty is dead in the water.
As far as him being black, it makes no difference to most conservitives. It is you libtards that keep bringing it up. Please shut the fuck up about racism. It is you that is racist. Most conservitives don't care about race at all. We believe that it is not the color of your skin, but the content of your character that matters. We disagree with almost everything that Obama has said, but not on the grounds of race. We support the Constitution, and he thinks it is a "dusty old document" that needs updating. America will be lucky to survive another 4 years of the socialist in chief. But if America does not survive, rest assured there will be millions of real Americans with guns to defend the country.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


I agree that Obummer is a communist and a Muslim who is trying to take guns away from ordinary folk--------but please don't go spouting the idea that "conservatives (most) are not racisr."

Most Liberals AND Conservatives have a bit of racism in them. In fact, ALL of us in one way or another have beliefs and worldviews that might be classified as "racist."
So get of it.

As to Obummer---------please be ready to use those guns when necessary, good people.
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Instantly, you assumed that race has anything to do with people having an opinion about the actions of a human being. If someone said that "the n**** in office is f***in up", then maybe your 2 cents would hold weight. Grow up. We've all bashed public figures for there idiotic behavior. You, however, were the only one to assume race has anything to do with it.
skull_fing
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So assuming something is based on race = race accounts for differences in character?

I still fail to see the similarities, please enlighten my dense European mind.
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No - I never said I was going to Robin Hood my way against an armored vehicle... vehicles were never in this until you pulled them out of your ass in that response...

You said you can't penetrate armor with an arrow. I countered that you could and asked if you had a citation. Then you proceeded to try to get snarky with your "bow'narrow" and rapier comment and I asked if you realized that bows can hit shit from 50 yards out pretty easily.

I don't personally shoot "bow'narrow" but I know many who do. Additionally, I don't plan on going all Rambo against a team sent to dispose of me nor did I ever imply I was. You are the one who seems to be making up fantasy scenarios here, sparkles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574


the specs on interceptor armor are available online, if youre interested in learning a thing or two.
I'm unaware of any current military armor/flack vests being defeated by non firearm projectiles, so I'll turn it around and request YOU TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CLAIM IS EVEN TRUE, sparkles.
You do what every inexperience wannabe does, which is expect other to teach them or imagine that their limited, unrealistic scenario is all that there is.
Not gonna get that to work here.
I'll stick with the published stats compared to your allegations, anyday
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Look, fucknut, I never proposed any scenario. Period. YOU said straight out that "neither a bow OR an arrow will penetrate milspec issue armor". I - quite nicely I believe - asked for a citation as many vests designed to stop bullets do NOT stop arrows or other piercing weapons. I even asked - again nicely - if you maybe meant they would stop an arrow if they had the trauma plates installed. Then you tried to be snarky prick.

I went to look up specs for interceptor armor, as apparently we're only talking about that specific armor here. I did not find anything indicating it would stop piercing weapons. I checked and did not find anything contradicting my statement, and you can't/won't provide any evidence otherwise, so I'll stick with my assertion that you are wrong about arrows not being able to penetrate it.

skull_fing
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574


hahaha. If you had some, as I do, and had some experience with it, you'd understand, but since you dont, it doesnt matter.
Believe what you want, the concern over penetrance of milspec vests by edged or icepick items is something left over from the early days of civilian ballistic protection, something you wont have to worry about when the boyz come to visit.
You seem to have forgotten the point, which is no personal weapon in civilian hands, save for a 50 bmg or and 88 magnum is going to concern any officially designated raiding parties or for that matter, slow them down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


So since there is no proof where you said there would be, we have to rely on your anecdotal evidence. Gotcha.

whatever


My "concern" over the penetration was only in response to your erroneous claim that no arrows will penetrate it.

Everything else in your last post is just an attempt to change the subject from the very specific one I originally challenged you on.

We're done here, kid. You can flail further, but you'll be doing it without my responses.
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[link to www.themoralliberal.com]

An anti-gun owner initiative considered in Washington could lead to massive civil disobedience and a severe domestic crisis, gun law expert John M. Snyder warned on Friday.

“According to confidential information,” he said, “forces linked with the administration suggest the government classify semiautomatic firearms and multiple capacity ammunition feeding devices as Title 2 National Firearms Act items under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Americans familiar with federal gun laws understand that under this scenario, semiautomatics and high capacity magazines could be acquired only with great difficulty and at great expense by America’s estimated 100 million law-abiding firearms owners, notes Snyder.

According to Snyder and other gun ownership advocates, the Obama administration long ago realized it would have insurmountable difficulty getting a semiautomatic gun ban, such as that considered by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and others, passed Congress, especially when the House is controlled by defenders of the Second Amendment.

Congressional Second Amendment supporters already are preparing for such a battle. During the Clinton years, Congress enacted a partial, temporary semiautomatic ban but allowed it to sunset after 10 years because of its lack of significant negative impact on crime, according to surveys conducted by the National Association of Chiefs of Police.

The Obama administration, now safely reelected, may order the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to take the classification step. Some gun-grabbers view the designation of Street Sweeper shotguns as Title 2 firearms during the Clinton administration as precedent for such a move.



Read the rest at the link!! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!
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Screw Obama! Once he ruins whats left of the ecomony and the checks stop, his own people will stab his ass with a fork. If he expects to survive he better ban any motion at all.
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Your're a Fucking racist for bringing skin color into the debate
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Maybe you should look up what a racist is. No don't bother, I will help you

Racist: A person who views one race as superior or views other races as inferior.
 Quoting: Phill


Hey Dutch boy go back to the train station and smoke your dope. Oh wait you have to wait to get your government cheque on the 1st my bad. And yes I use to work in Utrecht, the Netherlands is a real shithole.
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Hey------Dutch people are ok. God bless America but stop spouting off genralities about Dutch culture. They are not as great as America is but they DO have advantages we don't.
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hahaha. If you had some, as I do, and had some experience with it, you'd understand, but since you dont, it doesnt matter.
Believe what you want, the concern over penetrance of milspec vests by edged or icepick items is something left over from the early days of civilian ballistic protection, something you wont have to worry about when the boyz come to visit.
You seem to have forgotten the point, which is no personal weapon in civilian hands, save for a 50 bmg or and 88 magnum is going to concern any officially designated raiding parties or for that matter, slow them down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Not so. In fact, this is absolute horse shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1144869


Oh goody a world expert pipes up

You win, Youre lucky, given the relative difference in expense between an actual firearm and an assault bownarrow or icepick you can really stock up.
Lucky for the wite debbil that the indians didnt seem to stand a chance with their superior bownarrows and coupsticks, musta been a bad week especially since they only had to worry about mostly muskets and black powder at the time....
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No - I never said I was going to Robin Hood my way against an armored vehicle... vehicles were never in this until you pulled them out of your ass in that response...

You said you can't penetrate armor with an arrow. I countered that you could and asked if you had a citation. Then you proceeded to try to get snarky with your "bow'narrow" and rapier comment and I asked if you realized that bows can hit shit from 50 yards out pretty easily.

I don't personally shoot "bow'narrow" but I know many who do. Additionally, I don't plan on going all Rambo against a team sent to dispose of me nor did I ever imply I was. You are the one who seems to be making up fantasy scenarios here, sparkles.
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the specs on interceptor armor are available online, if youre interested in learning a thing or two.
I'm unaware of any current military armor/flack vests being defeated by non firearm projectiles, so I'll turn it around and request YOU TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CLAIM IS EVEN TRUE, sparkles.
You do what every inexperience wannabe does, which is expect other to teach them or imagine that their limited, unrealistic scenario is all that there is.
Not gonna get that to work here.
I'll stick with the published stats compared to your allegations, anyday
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Look, fucknut, I never proposed any scenario. Period. YOU said straight out that "neither a bow OR an arrow will penetrate milspec issue armor". I - quite nicely I believe - asked for a citation as many vests designed to stop bullets do NOT stop arrows or other piercing weapons. I even asked - again nicely - if you maybe meant they would stop an arrow if they had the trauma plates installed. Then you tried to be snarky prick.

I went to look up specs for interceptor armor, as apparently we're only talking about that specific armor here. I did not find anything indicating it would stop piercing weapons. I checked and did not find anything contradicting my statement, and you can't/won't provide any evidence otherwise, so I'll stick with my assertion that you are wrong about arrows not being able to penetrate it.

skull_fing
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hahaha. If you had some, as I do, and had some experience with it, you'd understand, but since you dont, it doesnt matter.
Believe what you want, the concern over penetrance of milspec vests by edged or icepick items is something left over from the early days of civilian ballistic protection, something you wont have to worry about when the boyz come to visit.
You seem to have forgotten the point, which is no personal weapon in civilian hands, save for a 50 bmg or and 88 magnum is going to concern any officially designated raiding parties or for that matter, slow them down.
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I have the best body armor made and if I get hit with a FMJ 375 ruger I'm toast dont kid yourself about body armor protection. The rounds most prepper shoot from thier high power deer rifles are home grown nasty boys. 20 years in CJSOTF and I assure you even the mil spec won't stand up to the FAL FMJ it just won't happen. And even if you can manage to stop penetration of multiple FMJ hits I assure you that the receiver will not be on his feet anytime soon. I took a single 7.59 to the chicken plate and it was like getting kicked by a damm mule. Don't let Hollywood fool you.
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BREAKING!! Obama to bypass congress to ban semiautomatic firearms!!
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...ain't gonna happen. naughty
He will try other crap for sure....but this is bullsh*t.




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Why are people so afraid that Obama will take their guns? Is it really the black thing?
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You've GOT to be kidding. You think people don't want to lose their defensive capabilities because of a racial thing?

I can't fathom how close-minded you must be.
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Well when has Obama said he is going to take away all guns? I have never heard him say that hence why I said is it really the black thing a.i. I find this whole reaction so absurd that I can't think of any other reason than racial prejudice.
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Exactly, you don't understand something, therefore it's racist.

CLASSIC!!
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Instantly, you assumed that race has anything to do with people having an opinion about the actions of a human being. If someone said that "the n**** in office is f***in up", then maybe your 2 cents would hold weight. Grow up. We've all bashed public figures for there idiotic behavior. You, however, were the only one to assume race has anything to do with it.
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So assuming something is based on race = race accounts for differences in character?

I still fail to see the similarities, please enlighten my dense European mind.
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You are stating that White Americans are racist against a Black president. Singling out a race is RACIST at the very core of its definition!!! Take a time out and comprehend before you speak. Thanks
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Ha like anyone is going to listen to to dumb ass obama.
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the specs on interceptor armor are available online, if youre interested in learning a thing or two.
I'm unaware of any current military armor/flack vests being defeated by non firearm projectiles, so I'll turn it around and request YOU TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CLAIM IS EVEN TRUE, sparkles.
You do what every inexperience wannabe does, which is expect other to teach them or imagine that their limited, unrealistic scenario is all that there is.
Not gonna get that to work here.
I'll stick with the published stats compared to your allegations, anyday
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Look, fucknut, I never proposed any scenario. Period. YOU said straight out that "neither a bow OR an arrow will penetrate milspec issue armor". I - quite nicely I believe - asked for a citation as many vests designed to stop bullets do NOT stop arrows or other piercing weapons. I even asked - again nicely - if you maybe meant they would stop an arrow if they had the trauma plates installed. Then you tried to be snarky prick.

I went to look up specs for interceptor armor, as apparently we're only talking about that specific armor here. I did not find anything indicating it would stop piercing weapons. I checked and did not find anything contradicting my statement, and you can't/won't provide any evidence otherwise, so I'll stick with my assertion that you are wrong about arrows not being able to penetrate it.

skull_fing
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hahaha. If you had some, as I do, and had some experience with it, you'd understand, but since you dont, it doesnt matter.
Believe what you want, the concern over penetrance of milspec vests by edged or icepick items is something left over from the early days of civilian ballistic protection, something you wont have to worry about when the boyz come to visit.
You seem to have forgotten the point, which is no personal weapon in civilian hands, save for a 50 bmg or and 88 magnum is going to concern any officially designated raiding parties or for that matter, slow them down.
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So since there is no proof where you said there would be, we have to rely on your anecdotal evidence. Gotcha.

whatever


My "concern" over the penetration was only in response to your erroneous claim that no arrows will penetrate it.

Everything else in your last post is just an attempt to change the subject from the very specific one I originally challenged you on.

We're done here, kid. You can flail further, but you'll be doing it without my responses.
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so far, I'm unable to find any references to arrows penetrating milspec ballistic protection, so I await your offer of any evidence of same.
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