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Just watched my sister have a stillbirth after 5 years of trying. WHAT is the greater purpose?!!

 
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Wow Atheists are so heartless they won't even allow a person of faith to comfort anyone who's suffered loss?

So WHAT if it's all empty platitudes? SO FUCKING WHAT?????

You talk about Christians shoving their crap down YOUR throats?

If the person being comforted doesn't tell them to shut up why the fuck should you?

Grow the hell up.

You are the most intolerant, hateful people on the entire planet.
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And yet it's Christians that start wars and kill people by the millions. It's Chritians that tell innocent children lies about themselves and the world and damn them to a world of self loathing and suffering. It's Christians that call evil good and good evil. Your evil philosophy is coming to and end and no amount of lies and verbal abuse will change that.
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Considering the hell that Christianity and the other Abrahamic religions have created on earth they deserve much worse than the truth being pointed out to them. Lucky for them the rest of the world has a lot more compassion than they do.
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The Hell that the Antichrists live is that the baby in this story just dies annihilated and there is not hereafter. That is the hell they live. Their lives are not about life but about death, end with nothing after, their music is about death, their procreation and subsequent abortions are about death, their lifestyle is about death, Their belief structure is about death.

Thank God for Life. Thank God for heaven, Thank God for Jesus Christ. You can see him again.
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The hell that christians live in is about eternal torture and suffering. The few that avoid endless pain and horror are damned to an eternal bowing and scraping before a monster that is far worse than Satan. The fact that you can't see this shows how truly damaged your mind is.
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Can you take this somewhere else, please.
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Why don't you take your filthy lies somewhere else? This isn't a site about delusional two thousand year old caveman bullshit. Why don't you take your nonsense somewhere else?
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The Hell that the Antichrists live is that the baby in this story just dies annihilated and there is not hereafter. That is the hell they live. Their lives are not about life but about death, end with nothing after, their music is about death, their procreation and subsequent abortions are about death, their lifestyle is about death, Their belief structure is about death.

Thank God for Life. Thank God for heaven, Thank God for Jesus Christ. You can see him again.
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The hell that christians live in is about eternal torture and suffering. The few that avoid endless pain and horror are damned to an eternal bowing and scraping before a monster that is far worse than Satan. The fact that you can't see this shows how truly damaged your mind is.
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Can you take this somewhere else, please.
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Why don't you take your filthy lies somewhere else? This isn't a site about delusional two thousand year old caveman bullshit. Why don't you take your nonsense somewhere else?
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A caveman is what you would deal with in person for talking like that.

Saying please take it somewhere else wasn't rude or caveman like.

So again please take that elsewhere.
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Re: Just watched my sister have a stillbirth after 5 years of trying. WHAT is the greater purpose?!!
OP, I'm sorry for your family's loss. I lost my first, also a little boy, over 30 years ago. He was premature, he fit in the palm of my hand and he was beautiful. He lived for 5 minutes after birth. I lived 9 hours flight time from my family, so it was just my now ex-husband and I.

I still don't know the "purpose" of it all and maybe never will. I did have 3 healthy children after that, with some difficulties. The next pregnancy was hell, with the worries and some other things that happened.

I've read alot since about why this happens and no one really knows for sure. There were probably health problems that you will never know about with the baby. This is the hard question, WHY? Don't let your sister beat herself up over what she may or may not have done differently. It probably wouldn't make any difference.

Know that you all are NOT alone in this, and even though people will say all the wrong things, they mean well. Just hold on to each other with love until the pain eases. And it will, but not right away. I still think about my little one and who he would have grown up to be. I do know I will see him again, if I didn't believe that, I couldn't have born it all these years.

To everyone on this thread that's arguing, stop! This woman came here for some comfort and understanding. Why does a missing pet get more sympathy here than the OP?grouphug
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Wow Atheists are so heartless they won't even allow a person of faith to comfort anyone who's suffered loss?

So WHAT if it's all empty platitudes? SO FUCKING WHAT?????

You talk about Christians shoving their crap down YOUR throats?

If the person being comforted doesn't tell them to shut up why the fuck should you?

Grow the hell up.

You are the most intolerant, hateful people on the entire planet.
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Common decency does not exist in society anymore. It's one of the signs that this society's best days are behind it. I'm sorry for your loss OP, a friend of mine passed away yesterday. Of course that can't truly compare to losing one you never had the chance to get to know, but my prayers are with you.
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Re: Just watched my sister have a stillbirth after 5 years of trying. WHAT is the greater purpose?!!
Wow Atheists are so heartless they won't even allow a person of faith to comfort anyone who's suffered loss?

So WHAT if it's all empty platitudes? SO FUCKING WHAT?????

You talk about Christians shoving their crap down YOUR throats?

If the person being comforted doesn't tell them to shut up why the fuck should you?

Grow the hell up.

You are the most intolerant, hateful people on the entire planet.
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So what if it's empty platitudes? So you're comfortable lying to me when I am pain? You are a horrible human being. This is why I am not religious. What you are suggesting is far FAR more hateful than what I said. I simply stated that I could not, in good conscience, speak of "greater purposes" because to do so would be dishonest on my part.

I'm not going to coddle someone's religious delusions. The most honest thing I could do is offer my sincere apology...which I did. You're the one talking about the virtue of lying.

Personally it would make me feel much better about a miscarriage due to a pH imbalance rather than be feel like I did something to anger some god or another. Isn't an "oh well" better than an "oh shit"?
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Re: Just watched my sister have a stillbirth after 5 years of trying. WHAT is the greater purpose?!!
Wow Atheists are so heartless they won't even allow a person of faith to comfort anyone who's suffered loss?

So WHAT if it's all empty platitudes? SO FUCKING WHAT?????

You talk about Christians shoving their crap down YOUR throats?

If the person being comforted doesn't tell them to shut up why the fuck should you?

Grow the hell up.

You are the most intolerant, hateful people on the entire planet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


So what if it's empty platitudes? So you're comfortable lying to me when I am pain? You are a horrible human being. This is why I am not religious. What you are suggesting is far FAR more hateful than what I said. I simply stated that I could not, in good conscience, speak of "greater purposes" because to do so would be dishonest on my part.

I'm not going to coddle someone's religious delusions. The most honest thing I could do is offer my sincere apology...which I did. You're the one talking about the virtue of lying.

Personally it would make me feel much better about a miscarriage due to a pH imbalance rather than be feel like I did something to anger some god or another. Isn't an "oh well" better than an "oh shit"?
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She questioned is there a greater purpose. If you don't beleive in one, no comment is needed. Thanks
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You could always make soup..
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Common decency does not exist in society anymore. It's one of the signs that this society's best days are behind it. I'm sorry for your loss OP, a friend of mine passed away yesterday. Of course that can't truly compare to losing one you never had the chance to get to know, but my prayers are with you.
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Sorry for your loss as well Dr. Astro...sad that some folks are so full of darkness and anger that they lash out every chance that comes along. This thread is about a tremendous loss. Lots of good folks including at least one atheist sending prayers and good thoughts over the internet to the OP is a good thing imho. Sad that others can't help themselves but do otherwise.
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I am so sorry.rose I do believe that she will see him again one day. Never lose hope.

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Well then, Miss Snooty-Pants, perhaps people should put up "No Nonbelievers Allowed" notices on all threads about belief then? Wouldn't that make things nice and only people who agreed with each other and were similar would be allowed to mingle in the same place? Because you know that your god knows because you say so that offering a secular condolence and an honest apology for a loss is an insult to the lord your god.

Perhaps we should start talking about segregated water fountains and bathrooms? Just to keep our non-belief germs from touching your bum when you sit down to pee.
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Studies identify stillbirth risk factors, causes

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I am so sorry OP and will pray for you and the familly of this precious soul.
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I'm so sorry for your loss, OP. Many prayers for peace to you, your sister, and all of your family. The only answer I could come up with after a lot of self exploration on the subject of life's "greater purpose" is that if we are eternal beings, then our time here is so insignificantly short, that a lifetime of pain and hurt here could be mere seconds in our eternal life. I hope your sister gets to be a mom to an earth angel someday, but just remember (or never diminish the significance of the fact) that she already is a mom now that she had her precious boy even if she had to say goodbye. He was here, and he was real, even if he died before she got to see his face. For example, a dear friend lost a daughter at age 5 to a drowning accident. It's been 9 years, and they still put her picture on their Christmas cards. Just a small piece of advice I guess, to always remember she is a mom to a beautiful boy. I only mean it in a kind way.
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Also, fwiw, my mom had three 2nd trimester miscarriages and 1 stillbirth. She went on to have my sister and me. So there might still be much happiness awaiting your sister.

Again, I'm very sorry, and I will remember you all in my prayers.
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there is no purpose, and everyone should stop breeding instead of adding on to this misery
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"The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil." Isaiah 57:1

OP, my heart goes out to you and your sister and family. The greater purpose? The little one was spared the days ahead of us. The little one, so badly wanted and loved, showed the power of creation and the value of love and life. That little one was loved for the few months of his life in the womb. That little one fostered greater love within your sister's heart. That little one knew that he was loved. That little one's life was in the hand of God who determines when we all die. That little one, a tremendous heartache for you and especially your sister now, will always be remembered as a loved and wanted child. In your heart. Now in my heart as well. I can't tell you the specific purpose, but your sister hopefully will one day understand.
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God bless you OP, your sister, and your nephew that is in heaven with the Lord Jesus Christ.
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I watched my sister go through five years of waiting month by painful month to get pregnant as she watched all of her siblings have children. It finally happened earlier this year and I have never seen her happier or more beautiful. She took such good care of herself, she did everything right.
I got called to the hospital Monday to watch her go into labor too early and they told her she had to deliver a baby that was too young to make it. He was a boy, and he was beautiful. I cried every tear with her at her side for two days with her wonderful husband and still at home my tears won't stop.
WHAT is this greater purpose?! Every word I tried to say to her as she wept over her perfect son sounded empty and hollow. As a mother to five, how can anything I say even relate to her lonely heartache? My heart broke into a million pieces as we all said goodbye. I gave him my ring I always wear, I'd have buried him with my own heart if I could have.
There's NO reason. None. This post will soon be lost and abandoned among the many other threads but his life deserved a moment of recognition. Let this please compel you to look around you today and show someone close to you that you care. Love those around you with everything you've got, let my nephew's death have meaning on you for one moment to cherish what you have because it could end in an instant.
If you run across this post and you'd like, please post flowers, hearts, or just send your love out to my sister, and my sweet nephew up above.
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Cause theres bitches that abort and kill their babies by the millions everyday on purpose.

And then it takes a special person like your sis to realize what evil, murderous skanks some women are and that babies ARE PRECIOUS.

I heard that good people suffer to know what evil is and to never allow evil people to walk this earth again.
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hf

Sending all my love to you and your family, OP!
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Makes me angry because here you have descent people wanting to raise kids who can't and scumbags popping out 10 simply to gain extra welfare payments and grow up to be crims.
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I am so very sorry for your sister and your family. Our second son was stillborn. It is an unbelievable heartache. I have a very strong faith but during that time, we asked the same question.
I don't like to give out my info, but I am happy to correspond with you or your sister if you'd like to PM me (I don't know if I can write back since I'm not a paid member if you want to give me your email address)
Praying for comfort and understanding for your family!
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Knew of a non Mom, some sleazy blonde, Gave birth to TWO healthy twin blonde boys,

She didnt want them so she stuck their head in the toilet one by one to drown them and even counted the seconds it took for them to drown in the toilet water.

PLEASE PASS LAWS where babies are wanted and given to those that want them and people that hate babies be punished to the full extent of the law..

Its tragic that people have kids that dont want them and those that do, dont..
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hf

So sorry for your loss.
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he'll be in heaven, waiting for her. I lost a baby in a miscarriage, I believe I'll meet that soul on the other side, I pray in Jesus's name I will.
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This Boy Says He Met His Dead Sister in Heaven — Thing Is, He Never Knew She Existed

Read More at: [link to hollywoodlife.com]

The remarkable thing is, Colton’s parents, Todd and Sonya, had never told him about his sister, who Sonya miscarried a year before Colton’s birth.

Read More at: [link to hollywoodlife.com]
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And that book has been debunked again..and again..and again..

HOW DARE you make light of this womans PAIN by foisting that made up load of new age crap dressed up in bible verses to make MONEY for the LYING FATHER who told his boy WHAT to say?

You EVIL CREATURE!
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Doesnt make the person evil if they didnt know the book was fake, if it even is. And how do you know that that book was debunked unless you were there with the family when the things in the book happened?
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Knew of a non Mom, some sleazy blonde, Gave birth to TWO healthy twin blonde boys,

She didnt want them so she stuck their head in the toilet one by one to drown them and even counted the seconds it took for them to drown in the toilet water.

PLEASE PASS LAWS where babies are wanted and given to those that want them and people that hate babies be punished to the full extent of the law..

Its tragic that people have kids that dont want them and those that do, dont..
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That is disgusting.
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I'm so sorry. I know of moments like that one. We're animals, we're in nature, it's incredibly tough.

We seem cursed to try and make the best of our lives while we're here.
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Your sister has an Angel waiting in Heaven. This poem is for her. u2efine


"I thought of you and closed my eyes.
And prayed to God today.
I asked what makes a mother and
I know I heard him say,

A mother has a baby.
This we know is true.
But God, can you be a mother
when your baby's not with you?

Yes, you can, He replied
with confidence in His voice.
I give many women babies.
When they leave is not their choice.

Some I send for a lifetime
and others for a day.
And some I send to feel your womb
but there's no need to stay.

I just don't understand this. God,
I want my baby here.
He took a breath and cleared His throat
and then I saw a tear.

I wish I could show you
what your child is doing today.
If you could see your child smile
with other children and say,

"We go to earth to learn our lessons
of life and love and fear.
My Mummy loved me, Oh so much,
I got to come straight here.

I feel so lucky to have a Mum
who had so much love for me,
I learned my lesson very quickly.
My Mummy set me free.

I miss my Mummy, Oh so much,
but I visit her each day.
When she goes to sleep,
on her pillow's where I lay.

I stroke her hair and kiss her cheek
and whisper in her ear,
'Mummy don't be sad today,
I'm your baby and I'm here.'"

So you see, my dear sweet one,
your children are okay.
Your babies are here in MY home
and this is where they'll stay.

They'll wait for you with ME
until your lesson is through.
And on the day that you come home,
they'll be at the gates for you.

So now you see what makes a Mother—
It's the feeling in your heart.
It's the love you had so much of,
right from the very start.

Though some on earth may not realize you are a Mother,
until their time is done.
They'll be up here with ME one day,
and know you're the best one!"



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I'm so sorry for her loss.

There is no greater purpose. There is no greater power.

WE are it.

^^^doesn't lessen the pain...
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bump + 5* for your love and compassion. Your sister is lucky to have you. Blessings!
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Dear OP, I hope you are feeling better.

Reading this thread may or may not help you.

I hope you are resting or with your sister, so I am addressing my fellow GLPers now:

What kind of idiots would take this thread as a place to debunk a book, or debate a point?

Is your life so lacking in opportunities to talk that you have to hitch onto someone's pain, in order to let the world know how smart and evolved you are?

No.

This thread is only about sending prayers, and help, to someone who asked for it.

Save your trashing of others (Colton was for real) for another time.

And OP, your nephew has been loved. That is what it is all about. Loved by you, his parents, and God. Many people live a life and never really know love.

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