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Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?

 
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Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
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Could you pay a person 5 bread loafs per hour? or would that be illegal in the U.S.?
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You can do what ever you want, just don't get caught.
Ban guns to "save the children" but killing them in the womb is totally cool......I see; it makes perfect sense now.
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I wish someone would pay me in gum...
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You can do what ever you want, just don't get caught.
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And what if you got caught? would you have to pay that person back pay for all the times you compinsated them with somthing other than U.s. currency?
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Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
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Here in the Netherlands it is allowed.

Although you still would have to pay income tax at market value of the rent over it.
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I wish someone would pay me in gum...
 Quoting: yankeemofo


But would it be illegal for a company to actually pay you in gum, or anything other than monies for that matter?
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Why call the person an employee? It should be perfectly legal to trade a person juicy fruit and hubba bubba for services rendered if both parties agree.
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NO ! You have it backwards. Your NOT allowed to pay with MONEY/gold/silver; ONLY with FIAT paper worth ONLY what THEY tell you it is.
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11/28/2012 07:34 PM
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It's called bartering. It is not illegal however see the following link

[link to www.irs.gov]
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Let the graymarket ways to avoid excessive taxation begin.
Predictable outcome of trying to OVERTAX America.


Some companies do pay people partially under the table....thereby making sure more goes into family pockets and not government hands.
....a 25.00 and hour job then becomes a 15.50 and hour job.....or less.
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Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Here in the Netherlands it is allowed.

Although you still would have to pay income tax at market value of the rent over it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Well here in the u.s. i have been working for an apartment complex for 10 months, i am a common law employee of the complex but i have only been paid in rent toward my apartment, and im beginning to question the legality of this, and if im wondering if i go to the department of labor, that they may have to pay money ( with taxes with held) for all the hours that i have worked.
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Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Here in the Netherlands it is allowed.

Although you still would have to pay income tax at market value of the rent over it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Well here in the u.s. i have been working for an apartment complex for 10 months, i am a common law employee of the complex but i have only been paid in rent toward my apartment, and im beginning to question the legality of this, and if im wondering if i go to the department of labor, that they may have to pay money ( with taxes with held) for all the hours that i have worked.
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[link to www.irs.gov]
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Screw the laws.
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Let the graymarket ways to avoid excessive taxation begin.
Predictable outcome of trying to OVERTAX America.


Some companies do pay people partially under the table....thereby making sure more goes into family pockets and not government hands.
....a 25.00 and hour job then becomes a 15.50 and hour job.....or less.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


In reality it's usually the employer that benefits from such "schemes".

Of course this may not be the case in "the land of the free" where the overall income of the employer will NOT pay for it's insurance and other social benefits that he is entitled to. Leaving them under-insured and exposed to all sorts of risks.

Sure it's always nice to have a little extra cash short term.. problem is long term requires usually a SHITLOAD more cash.
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If they want to mess with you they'll mess with you. Even if you pay them with "Money"


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Kahre hadn’t committed a crime. He had upset the Internal Revenue Service by paying his workers based on the face value of gold and silver coins, versus the market value in the Federal Reserve system (the value of the coins in U.S. paper dollars). Even though the coins were in circulation, displayed a face value, and were regulated by Congress, the IRS’s confusing and endless tax code did not determine how to handle these gold and silver coins if used for payroll. The tax code only references dollars. It does not distinguish between coined money and paper money.
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Let the graymarket ways to avoid excessive taxation begin.
Predictable outcome of trying to OVERTAX America.


Some companies do pay people partially under the table....thereby making sure more goes into family pockets and not government hands.
....a 25.00 and hour job then becomes a 15.50 and hour job.....or less.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Yes but im talking about paying me completely under the table, for some reason i just do not think that its legal and i should be payed out for my hours worked.
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Here in the Netherlands it is allowed.

Although you still would have to pay income tax at market value of the rent over it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Well here in the u.s. i have been working for an apartment complex for 10 months, i am a common law employee of the complex but i have only been paid in rent toward my apartment, and im beginning to question the legality of this, and if im wondering if i go to the department of labor, that they may have to pay money ( with taxes with held) for all the hours that i have worked.
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The department of labor doesn't have anything to do with taxes.
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Let the graymarket ways to avoid excessive taxation begin.
Predictable outcome of trying to OVERTAX America.


Some companies do pay people partially under the table....thereby making sure more goes into family pockets and not government hands.
....a 25.00 and hour job then becomes a 15.50 and hour job.....or less.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Yes but im talking about paying me completely under the table, for some reason i just do not think that its legal and i should be payed out for my hours worked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


NO YOU ARE NOT. You are talking about bartering!!!!!!!
Carshy McCarsh

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Could you pay a person 5 bread loafs per hour? or would that be illegal in the U.S.?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


The IRS considers FRNs, barter, and precious metals to be equivalent for the purposes of income taxation.

Basically, they are cunts, and will steal from you no matter what you do.

And now, thanks to the 51% of libtarded America, they are in charge of your fucking HEALTHCARE TOO.

dead3
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Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Here in the Netherlands it is allowed.

Although you still would have to pay income tax at market value of the rent over it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Well here in the u.s. i have been working for an apartment complex for 10 months, i am a common law employee of the complex but i have only been paid in rent toward my apartment, and im beginning to question the legality of this, and if im wondering if i go to the department of labor, that they may have to pay money ( with taxes with held) for all the hours that i have worked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Depending on the "logical" local laws one would expect the following.

The property can be valued based on local market price and your hours can be valued equally. If the hours worked exceed the returned reward you are entitled to a financial compensation.

In case you do not get satisfaction by pursuing local law I strongly advice you to take what's yours without jeopardizing any person. Laws are only as rightful as you value them and if your heart is pure than no law applies. One can make their own laws only honor is the standard.
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Let the graymarket ways to avoid excessive taxation begin.
Predictable outcome of trying to OVERTAX America.


Some companies do pay people partially under the table....thereby making sure more goes into family pockets and not government hands.
....a 25.00 and hour job then becomes a 15.50 and hour job.....or less.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Yes but im talking about paying me completely under the table, for some reason i just do not think that its legal and i should be payed out for my hours worked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


NO YOU ARE NOT. You are talking about bartering!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26369344


I saw your thread earlier today but could not reply because I was at work. I have answered your question in my previous replies above. Going to the department of labor will not cause you to have to pay anything. The only deal with labor issues.
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


I remember one dude giving his employees an option to be paid silver.
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Could you pay a person 5 bread loafs per hour? or would that be illegal in the U.S.?
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The IRS considers FRNs, barter, and precious metals to be equivalent for the purposes of income taxation.

Basically, they are cunts, and will steal from you no matter what you do.

And now, thanks to the 51% of libtarded America, they are in charge of your fucking HEALTHCARE TOO.

dead3
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Correct.
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It's called bartering. It is not illegal however see the following link

[link to www.irs.gov]
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But are large companys allowed to barter in exchange for services? because it seem that law applys to individuals. I on the other hand have been working somwhere for nearly a year i am an employee of this company, can they pay me in this method?
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Could you pay a person 5 bread loafs per hour? or would that be illegal in the U.S.?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


The IRS considers FRNs, barter, and precious metals to be equivalent for the purposes of income taxation.

Basically, they are cunts, and will steal from you no matter what you do.

And now, thanks to the 51% of libtarded America, they are in charge of your fucking HEALTHCARE TOO.

dead3
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Surely you wish to see a 5 year old child die because of her parents not willing to pay for insurance out of religious reasons?

Possibly your family consists of brain surgeons and cancer specialists and my comments are ridiculed.

Fat chance...
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Re: Is it lawful in the U.S. to pay an employee with anything but money?
Like for instance could a business pay an employee for hours worked by giving them a certain amount per hour toward there rent on their home. But not pay them any currency or cash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


Let the graymarket ways to avoid excessive taxation begin.
Predictable outcome of trying to OVERTAX America.


Some companies do pay people partially under the table....thereby making sure more goes into family pockets and not government hands.
....a 25.00 and hour job then becomes a 15.50 and hour job.....or less.
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Yes but im talking about paying me completely under the table, for some reason i just do not think that its legal and i should be payed out for my hours worked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


The company would still be paying in $$$ to the renters of the housing.
It's not really bartering then.

Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 11/28/2012 07:49 PM
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It's called bartering. It is not illegal however see the following link

[link to www.irs.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26369344


But are large companys allowed to barter in exchange for services? because it seem that law applys to individuals. I on the other hand have been working somwhere for nearly a year i am an employee of this company, can they pay me in this method?
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If the value (in dollars) received is above minimum wage, the taxes paid correctly over it and it was agreed between both parties when the contract started then I would not see why it would not be allowed.
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It's called bartering. It is not illegal however see the following link

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26369344


But are large companys allowed to barter in exchange for services? because it seem that law applys to individuals. I on the other hand have been working somwhere for nearly a year i am an employee of this company, can they pay me in this method?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


If the value (in dollars) received is above minimum wage, the taxes paid correctly over it and it was agreed between both parties when the contract started then I would not see why it would not be allowed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Ok but there are no taxes paid in this situation and there was no contract....i think i deserve to have my wages taxed so that i can pay my taxes.I dont think its legal for a company to pay in rent and not in actual legit paycheck. I feel somewhat like iv been taken advantage of in a bad economy.Although i did get an apartment out of the deal...that's all i got.
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Could you pay a person 5 bread loafs per hour? or would that be illegal in the U.S.?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


The IRS considers FRNs, barter, and precious metals to be equivalent for the purposes of income taxation.

Basically, they are cunts, and will steal from you no matter what you do.

And now, thanks to the 51% of libtarded America, they are in charge of your fucking HEALTHCARE TOO.

dead3
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Surely you wish to see a 5 year old child die because of her parents not willing to pay for insurance out of religious reasons?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24643310


Complete gibberish.
American hospitals have always supplied free health care if the patient was unable to pay. Always.

Stop lying, lying statist fag.

hf
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Could you pay a person 5 bread loafs per hour? or would that be illegal in the U.S.?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13270841


The IRS considers FRNs, barter, and precious metals to be equivalent for the purposes of income taxation.

Basically, they are cunts, and will steal from you no matter what you do.

And now, thanks to the 51% of libtarded America, they are in charge of your fucking HEALTHCARE TOO.

dead3
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Surely you wish to see a 5 year old child die because of her parents not willing to pay for insurance out of religious reasons?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24643310


Complete gibberish.
American hospitals have always supplied free health care if the patient was unable to pay. Always.

Stop lying, lying statist fag.

hf
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Right....

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You might want to reconsider your personal insult after reading my links...
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Surely if only 0.000001% is true you sir owe me an apology.

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