Why Liberals Prefer Star Trek, and Conservatives Star Wars.

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Kinda like comparing nerds to geeks... Nothing more than two different groups of wankers calling each other names.

How about thinking for yourself, instead of following the herd-think mentality of our political two party system. It was designed to divide us, and works like a champ as long as people buy into their shenanigans!

I still cant stand to this day R2D2 and C3PO. I hated Star Wars because of them.

I do however love me some Trek but I'm conservative with some liberal leanings in me.

I love Star Trek.

I despise Liberals.

Star Trek often promoted War.

Much of ST:TNG was centered round the Federations involvement in the Klingon Civil War.

Much of ST:Ds9 was written to specifically lead up to a Major War between major powers; The Dominion War as it is now called in Trek Lore.

ST:Voy often promoted the idea of the Voyager and her Crew becoming involved in some other worlds War. Janeway and Voyager were also involved in the War between The Borg and the Undine from fluidic space, and they declared War on The Borg in their efforts to get home.

ST:ENT was intended to lead into, and tell the story off... the first War between the fledgeling Star Fleet(before there was a Federation) and the Romulan Star Empire; this War was hinted at in the ST:ToS episode "Balance of Terror" when Kirk and Crew are sent to investigate the destruction of several border outposts, and discover its a prototype Romulan War Bird... upon this discovery, Spock and Kirk discuss Humanities last encounter with the Romulans that led to their first War. ST:ENT was building up to tell the story of this War, dropping hints of it throughout each of its seasons, the most notable being the episide featuring Malcom Reed in a space suit outside the NX-01 Enterprise, attempting to diffuse a 'cloaked' Mine that had attached itself to the Hull... while at the same time the Enterprise encounters an early model Romulan Warbird that warns the Enterprise to leave "or else"...

Lastly...

ST:ToS, the Federation maintained a war footing with the Klingon Empire. They two were officially "at war" throughout much of the ToS Era, and the old Constitution Class Starships (NCC-1701) were officially classified as Battle Cruisers. Star Fleet was the MILITARY branch of the Federation and they did not SEEK PEACE...

Peace was forced upon them, by a higher power known as the Organians... through the Organian Peace Treaty of 2267. -- [link to en.memory-alpha.org]


War, was a very prevalent theme throughout much of Star Trek, with Star Fleet OFTEN depicted as SEEKING armed conflict... At the same time as ST:TNG was on TV, I propose to you a key scene in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country... inside the Office of the President of the United Federation of Planets...

The Commander in Chief of Star Fleet Operations arrives with several other men in two, one of them being Colonel West played by non other then Rene Auberjonois, best known as Odo on DS9.. . He is presenting to the President a plan to send Star Fleet into Klingon space to rescue James T. Kirk and Dr. Leonard McCoy...

The President waves the presentation off saying.. "Yes yes, but suppose you precipitate a full scale interstellar war?"

Colonel West, clears his throat, stand sup straight, and replies with all sincerity...

"Then quite frankly Mister President, we would clean their clocks!" ... in other words, they expect Star Fleet to kick the Klingons butts in a new War.

Why, would the higher echelons of Star Fleet be willing to risk an all out interstellar War with the Klingon Empire just to rescue one Star Ship Captain, and his Doctor? So what, if they have "saved the earth".. this is the Klingon Empire we're talking about, and even though they may have just suffered a massive catastrophe to their homeworld, the Klingons still have a massive and extremely powerful Military force to be reckoned with! ..and here is the senior level members of Star Fleet telling the President that they are prepared to go to War!

In fact, throughout much of Star Trek's history, Star Fleet as ALWAYS been itching to flex its muscles as the Military Branch of the Federation... Even Picard's own Enterprise-D was indeed heavily armed; while the Enterprise-E was built specifically as a WARSHIP designed with the sole intention of combating the Borg!

War, was a very prevalent theme throughout much of Star Trek...

[link to en.memory-alpha.org]

All the details on Colonel West's proposed rescue of Kirk and McCoy through the use of MILITARY FORCE, against the Klingon Empire...

Amazing how so much information can be learned from just ONE scene, the Presentation even included a list of Star ships and their Captians that would be involved in this Military Incursion, with the USS Excelsior under "H.Sulu" listed as the lead ship!

I wasn't born when Star Wars was released. So, naturally, by the time I started watching movies, I thought they sucked. Although my inner-geek liked the glowing swords very much.

Watched and liked Star Trek: The Next Generation. Didn't watch, nor cared about the other Star Treks.

Not a liberal. I am a non-voting centrist.

LIES I tell you!!!! LIES!!!! Im a Trek FREAK!!! and uber Conservative.

" I do not believe that the rich should be able to buy the government. And that's just the way I feel." - George Lucas

God i loveeeeee Star Trek !!!!!

Each person must pick their own world to live in. Some will pick Star wars. Other will pick Star Trek.


I pick Star Trek.


Infinite Diversity In Infinite Combination.

I.D.I.C. the only way to live.

Huh?! Jews are 95% liberal in the U.S. They condemn themselves?? LOL!

There is no way to stop I.D.I.C. None at all. Eventually every world evolves into I.D.I.C.

My husband...and he's a libertarian.

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I (we) do not discriminate - we (i) find your Liberals, Conservatives and Librarians to be utter and complete pussies anyway! Other galaxies have revealed high caliber beings with many skill sets to offer - your Earth brethren are just a bunch of Eaters.

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What about battlestar galactica?
It has bipartisan politics until the very end when the whole political order is dissolved.

Hmm, a good analysis. I really can't come up with an answer to why I'm not into Star Trek as much as Star Wars.

Star Trek is a good franchise, but it never really grabbed my attention like Star Wars did.

...And people who aren't nerdy losers prefer a girlfriend, a job, a home of their own and a future.

Pointless.

Libtards have no moral compass compared to Star Trek.

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I am conservative and I much prefer Star Trek. Next Generation is one of my all time favorite shows. Star Wars is OK (I really liked it when I was a kid) but I find it too comic bookish. Not a fan of comics.

Epic thread OP. I will add more later.

But first off, there seems to be a desire on your part to churn the "conservative" versus "liberal" phoneme-memes and that puts you on the sidelines of the real intellectual game. Both words are useless and destroyed.

Conservation, imo, essentially, in the common parlance means "Remaining unchanged, saving energy, trying to hold the center" ...That might be how I would describe it. This connects to the red party and the elephant, solid, unmoving, resisting change. Agree?

Liberality, imo, essentially, in the common parlance means "Trying new and different things, radically throwing off old ropes, spending all energy, trying to reshape the center" ...That might be how I would describe it. This connects to the blue party and the donkey, stubborn, apt to kick you off, always resisting efforts to harness it. Agree?

So in order to make this thread REALLY useful, because I have made many comparisons to Trek and Star Wars on Ye Internetes, and I think this is a great context for discussion, well, you have to FIRST diagnose the illness called "modern politics" ...So I offer my two definitions above, to sort of lay the context of our present world, Earth 2013.

Now before I get deeply into the subject matter, it makes sense to analyze the whole of "Science Fiction" and the notion of "universes as fictional properties"... Because "Trek" universe is ostensibly the potential future of Earth, as described in that intellectual property created by Gene Roddenberry, and funded by the children of Lucy and Desi, and now owned utterly by that film corporation called "Paramount Pictures". And the Star Wars universe is that intellectual property created by George Lucas under the guidance of Joseph Campbell (foremost professor of myth and history) and then sold to the Walt Disney company for billions of quatloos, but which has nothing to do with Earth, but is rather, far far AWAY from Earth.

So first you have to understand the goals of each storyteller, and also note that each of these "universes" has a unique base-point from which it is built.

Trek is the future, Earth centric. "sector 001" is what the whole of Starfleet is. The Vulcans land after Earth is fully destroyed, and THEN begins the genesis of Starfleet. Roddenberry was saying that probably, only after all of us are destroyed, can aliens then come down and show us how to "truly live rightly among the heavens"

Star Wars, is totally different, it is the mythic past. It is "a galaxy far far away" and not 2013 or 2130 when Trek begins, but instead its "a long time ago". The story deals with broad subconscious memes which are treated much differently than in Trek. The hero's journey, can only be a mythic telling, because it goes in cycles, whereas Trek has no cycles of this kind, but projects forward, trying to frame us, into a picture of how we can STOP the cycles.

Actually, I would offer the Lord of the Rings "universe" as a sort of rosetta stone of fiction, to guide your discussion. It's more fair to compare Lord of the Rings, to Trek. Because the essence of both Trek and LOTR is that the elves live away from us, and only come to help humans when we're truly humbled or destroyed. Similar to how the vulcans drop down from orbit, only when they are ready to do so, and to guide humanity. Also LOTR speaks to high tech of a magical kind, in that the Rings which were crafted are not unlike Palpatine consolidating power.

In essence, Trek is extrovertive-programming along the lines of "hope for our future destroyed Earth, but only if the elves come out of the forest". And Star Wars is like introvertive-programming for us to understand the great archetypes of family, fathers and sons, and the invisibile divine mother we might call "The Force of Nature"...

Questions would be:

1: Why is there no "the force" in Trek? How would Han Solo fit into Roddenberry's world, since he doesn't believe in force but is a hot rod spaceship mechanic, good with tools and machines?

2: In what way is Starfleet like the Galactic Empire formed by Palpatine? Also, why are the Admirals in Starfleet always such absolute dickheads?

3: In one of the last TNG episodes, we see Picard is totally betrayed by Ro Laren, who defects from her spy mission on the Maqui, to JOIN the Maqui. This episode fades out with Picard chewing his anger and fury. So, why does Picard hate the apostacy so much? Why does Picard so righteously obey his Starfleet puppeteers in eradicating the Maqui? In what ways, are Picard and Tarkin, the same? Just men with spaceships following orders from their Galactic Empire?

Anyway, good thread OP, I will keep an eye on it.

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Libtards rely on junk science to push BS agenda down our throats.

But also, you may just be stupid?

No but seriously, I do agree with what you say. Yes, because scientists are easily purchased, and disposable, like that David Kelley guy they killed when they didn't need him anymore.

Sure man, I agree with you, science is a bunch of bullshit. But using non-words like "liberal" only works when you are with people of similarly low IQ. You know? Like, talking about venison sausage is only relevant when around other bubbas, you know?

I agree that science is used by evil shits. Tell me though, do you consider the B2 Stealth Bomber, to be "science"? And when it flies over the airshow, do you raise your beer and shout:

"WOOOOO SCIENCE!!"

I'd prefer a Princess Leia in a metal bikini.

Unfortunately, Carrie Fisher looks more like Jabba the Hut these days. . .

How is science a bunch of BS?

Science itself is not a body of knowledge; rather, it is the method used to gain it. It makes no presuppositions about those things which it deduces.

Have you ever heard of the scientific method?

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I think you need to go back and re-watch both.

You say Star Wars is more conservative in the way the government is run? Conservatives tend to be against big government. In Star Wars, it's nothing but big government, with an absolute Emperor ruling over everything and storm troopers enforcing the authority of the central government on any planet they control.

In Star Trek, most federation member planets pretty much keep to themselves. The only difference is they all have one collective military called Star Fleet, to act as protection for all member planets. The Federation is actually more of a confederacy with a group military. This sort of makes sense, as having separate militaries could result in tension between otherwise allied nations. So yes, if you live on a member planet and want to join the military, it is one mixed military. But otherwise, the individual planets seem to do their own thing.

Also recall in Star Wars, agents of the central government blew up a whole planet just to punish Princess Lea. They didn't "leave it alone," they destroyed that planet in the interests of the central government.

I don't get your logic here, OP.

Babylon 5 wasn't a big fan of the two party system.

If only and would bugger off to the Outer Rim, and leave Humanity to get on with it!

I'd say it's the opposite.

Star Wars is kind of like the Soviet Union. The USSR set aside territories for the different ethnic groups that lived in Soviet territory. That was the whole idea: a republic for Georgians, a republic for Kazakhs, an autonomous republic within Russia for Karelians, etc.

But it was all irrelevant. The all-powerful Kremlin ruled over everything, like the Imperial troops did in the Empire.

Are you gonna tell me the Soviet Union is "conservative"? A Marxist, central-government, totalitarian hellhole? That's what the Empire was.

Star Trek is more about observing and interacting with the different cultures, but not trying to assimilate them. Pretty much everyone who served in Starfleet was human, part human, or raised by humans.

They like star trek because intellectuals enjoy complicated stories and abstract theories.

Republicans are less so.