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For Christians: The scriptural basis for the pre-tribulational Rapture

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Just making shit up?
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What?

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As I thought blind so let's give you some sight...
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I didn't come to insult you nor am I
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That is an insult. Don't deny it.
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Maybe others have mentioned this, but the Rapture theory was first developed in the 1800s, countering almost 2000 years of theology, including the teachings of the Apostles and the early church fathers.

Here is the problem as I see it - 20 different people could sit down and read just one chapter of the bible and come up with completely different interpretations. This is why I believe that this modern insistence on sola scriptura is wrong. There is nothing in scripture that teaches we should rely on scripture alone for our faith. There is a lot, however, in scripture about tradition - that upon which the faith was based for the first few hundred years before the bible was assembled.

So, my question would be - what does the early church say about the end times?
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The Rapture theory comes straight from scripture. To say it was a recent development is completely untrue.

Whether the Bible is our authority in this life is way outside the scope of this topic.
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Brothers and Sisters,

Please be aware that we are all saved by the Lord himself.
Not by our own knowledge.

Be at peace and give glory to the God of heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ.

May the Lord Jesus bless and keep you all

Amen.
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Here you go, Kevin is not a Catholic prophet, he is Protestant. There is one
end time, the messages from Heaven are saying the same with the Catholic
more explicit for a reason.

I will underline Jesus' corrections of the Protestant heresies. Do not believe
them any longer. Everyone is capable of change. Pray about it.

_ _ _

Will you let Me take you through the fires of purification?

Posted on April 1, 2012 by Kevin Barrett

Last night in my time with the Lord, He said these words to me: Tell My people that My love for them is great and everlasting.

Word from the Lord:
Oh, My people, hear Me this day. Why do you still not heed My warnings? Time is short, My people. And soon I will not weary with you any longer but I shall pour forth My judgments upon the lands and peoples. And hear Me, My people. My judgments shall begin with My house. I am rising up this day to judge all that call themselves by My name. I shall judge each one according to My word. Woe unto those that have believed the lies of the false prophets and teachers. For there will be a great falling away as I separate the sheep from the goats; those that are truly Mine from those that are imposters, For I am a holy God and I shall have a holy people.

Oh, My people, why? Why do you not take My warnings to heart? Many are going to and fro with business as usual and not seeking what I desire. Each one seeks his own. Oh, My people, the days are short and very soon there will be distress of nations like never before. But I shall have a people that will be a light in a darkened and corrupt world. My beautiful bride shall do great exploits in ushering in her bridegroom and King. Oh, My people, how I desire that each one of you could be part of My beautiful bride. But not all that call themselves by My name shall take part as My bride. Only those that overcome shall be allowed to sit with Me on My throne to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

Oh hear Me, My people. Why do you listen to the hirelings and false teachers and prophets? Did I not say in My word that not all that say to me ‘Lord’ ‘Lord’ shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, save those that do the will of the Father who is in heaven? Then why do you still go about doing your own will and tell yourselves that you are My bride? My people, you have been lied to by the enemy of your soul. Seek Me in these things. Surely I will reveal My truth to you. I love you, My dear children, and it is My desire that each of you share My throne with Me. But unfortunately only a remnant shall overcome. For too many have listened to the lies told by the false shepherds and prophets. They speak of how you each are already cleansed and adorned in righteousness simply by your belief on My name. These are all lies, My people. For does not My word say that he who does righteousness is righteous? Yes, My people, you are made righteous by your faith in Me, but it is fulfilled by your obedience to My voice. {(faith and works) It is not imputed to you by a one-time confession of My name. Oh, My people, you have been lied to. Read My word for yourselves. Why listen to those that fatten themselves by fleecing My sheep? I have not sent many of the shepherds that are out there. They have sent themselves for their own glory and their own profit. Oh, My people, did I not say in My word to judge them by their fruit? Then where is the fruit, My people? Oh, but those that have itching ears care not about the fruit. They want to be told all is well and that they shall prosper if they simply believe on My name and My promises. Lies, lies, lies, I tell you.

Oh, My people, why do you not study My word to show yourselves approved? Why do you go about from doctrine to doctrine seeking what will make you feel good?(the easy Rapture} Can you not see that there is no healing in the dead churches? Not healing of the physical body, but healing of the soul and spirit. This is because there is no life in them. For where My Spirit is there is liberty. Not liberty to gratify or tingle the flesh; but liberty from the flesh.

Oh, My people, how I wish to take you all with Me now into My chambers. But you are not ready and many of you never will be. For you do not test the spirits of those you follow and so you have chosen to believe their lies. I will and I shall have a bride that is spotless and without blemish. Do you take My invitation this day to come away with Me and be cleansed of all filthiness of flesh? Oh, My people, come away with Me and we shall ride together on the heights of the earth. For I shall rise with healing in My wings and I shall heal all that have called out to Me with a pure heart. I shall heal and I shall cleanse with My cleansing fire. Oh that I wish you all would call out to Me for My cleansing fire. For not many of you will, because your desire is for your flesh. But for those that choose to call out to Me for this fire, I will answer thee and pour upon thee both My glory and cleansing fire. And I shall purify you to be My bride if you do not shrink back. For I am now choosing those that choose Me and we will walk together and be one as I take each of you through My fires of purification.

And My bride shall be purified and come forth refined as silver and purified as gold. And I shall be her God and she will be My bride to be shown forth to all nations. Now choose this day, My people. Will you let Me take you through the fires, or will you cling to the lust of your own flesh? The choice is yours, My people. For I am no respecter of persons and I offer this opportunity to all.

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As I thought blind so let's give you some sight...
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I didn't come to insult you nor am I
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That is an insult. Don't deny it.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I will tell you what it means then maybe it will be clear...

The Word Blind... Brothers Learning I'm Now Delivering... When they see this it changes their wrong ways of thought and brings them back down to earth... Pulling their heads out of the clouds and showing them what's truly before them...

No it's not an insult it's a lesson for all that are blind and do not see or hear what's before them...

The Word SIGHT... Seeing I'm Giving His Truth... True Sight...

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Here you go, Kevin is not a Catholic prophet, he is Protestant. There is one
end time, the messages from Heaven are saying the same with the Catholic
more explicit for a reason.
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I don't give a flying fish what your church teaches. You know this but choose to keep ramming your believes down everybody else's threads.

If anyone is making a stench out of the RCC, it's aggressive, pushy trolls.
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As I thought blind so let's give you some sight...
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I didn't come to insult you nor am I
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That is an insult. Don't deny it.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I will tell you what it means then maybe it will be clear...

The Word Blind... Brothers Learning I'm Now Delivering... When they see this it changes their wrong ways of thought and brings them back down to earth... Pulling their heads out of the clouds and showing them what's truly before them...

No it's not an insult it's a lesson for all that are blind and do not see or hear what's before them...
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I already know what it means. It means you look down your nose at me for having a different viewpoint than you. You are not my teacher or mentor, so I need no lessons from you. Why don't you start your own thread about your own topic?
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Brothers and Sisters,

Please be aware that we are all saved by the Lord himself.
Not by our own knowledge.

Be at peace and give glory to the God of heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ.

May the Lord Jesus bless and keep you all

Amen.
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Peace is a pipe dream for me here. I'd dearly love to just do what my OP stated, but as you can see, I've had to spend most of my time trying to keep people on topic.
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I didn't come to insult you nor am I
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That is an insult. Don't deny it.
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I will tell you what it means then maybe it will be clear...

The Word Blind... Brothers Learning I'm Now Delivering... When they see this it changes their wrong ways of thought and brings them back down to earth... Pulling their heads out of the clouds and showing them what's truly before them...

No it's not an insult it's a lesson for all that are blind and do not see or hear what's before them...
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I already know what it means. It means you look down your nose at me for having a different viewpoint than you. You are not my teacher or mentor, so I need no lessons from you. Why don't you start your own thread about your own topic?
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I have one... Thread: The Goose That Laid The Golden Egg... Enjoy Gods Grace...

And who has taught you these lies and where in the Bible does it say that all will not stand before the throne... All that includes the self righteous that think they know something... Again what priest minister pastor taught you that garbage?... Bring him here and I will tell him he is full of Sxxx and set him straight by the Flame Of Truth... The Flame... Father Loves All Men Equally and treats them the same when they deviate from the Truth... And what's truly revealed in those Basic Scriptures of Good And Evil?... The Book Of Knowledge the Book That Brings Wisdom... In Knowing Right From Wrong...

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I have one... Thread: The Goose That Laid The Golden Egg... Enjoy Gods Grace...

And who has taught you these lies and where in the Bible does it say that all will not stand before the throne... All that includes the self righteous that think they know something... Again what priest minister pastor taught you that garbage?... Bring him here and I will make tell him he is full of Sxxx and set him straight by the Flame Of Truth... The Flame... Father Loves All Men Equally and treats them the same when they deviate from the Truth... And what's truly revealed in those Basic Scriptures of Good And Evil?... The Book Of Knowledge the Book That Brings Wisdom... In Knowing Right From Wrong...
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Great, so maybe bash me from there, because it's your thread. This one's mine.

To repeat: you are not my teacher, and I wonder who taught YOU the lies you spread. But I don't care; I won't go into your thread to pose as your teacher and accuse you of being taught lies.

Have a great time over there in your own thread.
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Then measure up and teach your case so far it's far short of the truth...

God Himself as I have been in the White Light Three Times And In The Abyss One Time... I Know Both Sides Of The Truth...

...V... The Whole Family Truth... And where the whole family dwells here on earth...

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Then measure up and teach your case so far it's far short of the truth...
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Read the OP. Read the linked articles. I have presented my case over and over in the comments as well. Whether you personally think it's truth or not is irrelevant.

Did I mention you should read the OP? Pretty sure I did.
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The CODE... What does it mean... John 3:16 is a code just the numbers alone tell you that it was by design and not by chance...

The Word CODE... Christians Holy Day Emantes...

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The CODE... What does it mean... John 3:16 is a code just the numbers alone tell you that it was by design and not by chance...
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Off topic. Again.
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The CODE... What does it mean... John 3:16 is a code just the numbers alone tell you that it was by design and not by chance...
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Off topic. Again.
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Well I know if you were to be raptured you would have to know and understand more than being picked up and brought into the skies then come back and judge as they so preach...

By the way teaching and preaching are far apart...

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In 1 Cor. 15:51-53 Paul expressly states that not all believers will die...

Why And How?...

The Word DIE... Discovering I Exist... Saves you in the End Of Days from dying...

As you patiently await here on earth as Paradise Is Revealed...
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The CODE... What does it mean... John 3:16 is a code just the numbers alone tell you that it was by design and not by chance...
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Off topic. Again.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Well I know if you were to be raptured you would have to know and understand more than being picked up and brought into the skies then come back and judge as they so preach...

By the way teaching and preaching are far apart...
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I know and understand quite a few things. And I don't care what you want to say is the difference between preaching and teaching.

Don't you have your own thread to look after?
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In 1 Cor. 15:51-53 Paul expressly states that not all believers will die...

Why And How?...

The Word DIE... Discovering I Exist... Saves you in the End Of Days from dying...

As you patiently await here on earth as Paradise Is Revealed...
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This is in your proof and I showed you and whoever your dumb teacher is their mistake...

And why are you so eager to be raptured?... What does it do for you?...

And then what are you to do?...

All on topic for if I am to buy into your tale I need more than a couple of links and mis interpretations...

As I said buy into your false hopes... As old cameron made millions on those left behind series of lies...
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In 1 Cor. 15:51-53 Paul expressly states that not all believers will die...

Why And How?...

The Word DIE... Discovering I Exist... Saves you in the End Of Days from dying...

As you patiently await here on earth as Paradise Is Revealed...
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This is in your proof and I showed you and whoever your dumb teacher is their mistake...

And why are you so eager to be raptured?... What does it do for you?...

And then what are you to do?...

All on topic for if I am to buy into your tale I need more than a couple of links and mis interpretations...

As I said buy into your false hopes... As old cameron made millions on those left behind series of lies...
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Stop the condescending crap.
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Typical you have no answer... So you scream in defense... You started the topic hoping others would buy it... Now you can not defend it...

Then it must be a lie... For the truth sets you free... The Truth proves itself...
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Typical you have no answer... So you scream in defense... You started the topic hoping others would buy it... Now you can not defend it...

Then it must be a lie... For the truth sets you free... The Truth proves itself...
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If you'd ever READ THE OP and related articles, you'd know I answered everything I can about my Rapture view. Stop the passive-aggressive game; I'm not playing.
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Typical you have no answer... So you scream in defense... You started the topic hoping others would buy it... Now you can not defend it...

Then it must be a lie... For the truth sets you free... The Truth proves itself...
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If you'd ever READ THE OP and related articles, you'd know I answered everything I can about my Rapture view. Stop the passive-aggressive game; I'm not playing.
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No this is not a game it's your life... And if others fall for the same crap it's their life so I step in and correct those that might read this...

I did read your post... I know the rapture crap...

The Word Crap... Christ Respects All People... As Christians should respect all people...

Thinking And Knowing Are Not The Same...

Nor Is JEU Or JEW... Sound alike but far apart...

Jesus Explained Unity... Jesus's Example Works... By The Law... Love Always Works... So many deny this... Now they will know it...

For your knowledge you are truly in the End Of Days... If there was a Rapture You Missed It...
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No this is not a game it's your life... And if others fall for the same crap it's their life so I step in and correct those that might read this...

I did read your post... I know the rapture crap...

The Word Crap... Christ Respects All People... As Christians should respect all people...

Thinking And Knowing Are Not The Same...

Nor Is JEU Or JEW... Sound alike but far apart...

Jesus Explained Unity... Jesus's Example Works... By The Law... Love Always Works... So many deny this... Now they will know it...

For your knowledge you are truly in the End Of Days... If there was a Rapture You Missed It...
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My life is secure in the hands of Jesus by faith in his resurrection. The gospel that saves does not require a particular eschatological view. No one will be lost because of what you consider a wrong view of the Rapture.

If you had read my post, then you shouldn't have demanded that I defend what I've already defended.

No, I missed nothing. Now please have the decency to stop trying to derail the thread or continue insulting me. If you have any concept of the love of Christ in you, leave me in peace.
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A quote from another thread:
If, as a follower of Christ who reads the scriptures themselves, one does not understand the myriad ways that God tells us, through his prophets, how and when the catching away takes place, then nothing can be done for them. They have either been severely indoctrinated to the point that backing a personality or organization is more important than truth, or they are just flat out too inept and overly arrogant in their lack of undertanding.
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This is a prime example of why this topic can't be discussed with any civility. If someone disagrees with them, they presume that it MUST be due to some fault in the other people; the bashers leave no room for people just disagreeing. They can't allow differences of opinion but must explain them away by attacking the people who hold those opinions.

This is why I started a thread with the intention to just present my view. As the quoted text shows, those who hate the pre-trib view are not interested in civil debate. And as most of today's comments in this thread show, it always attracts people who think it's their duty to stamp out opinions they don't like.

I've stated my opinion; anyone who wants to read it is free to do so. But I will not be dragged through the mud for sticking to it.

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Brothers and Sisters,

Please be aware that we are all saved by the Lord himself.
Not by our own knowledge.

Be at peace and give glory to the God of heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ.

May the Lord Jesus bless and keep you all

Amen.
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"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." Mark 9:41

Forgetting God's Law is a Harsh Mistress The Whole World Wonders after "the Beast" System that:

* A: Gave us Sunday Worship (a false Sabbath)
* B: Gave us the Secret Rapture Theory
* C: Will cause the whole world to follow it, instead of God
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In 1 Cor. 15:51-53 Paul expressly states that not all believers will die...

Why And How?...

The Word DIE... Discovering I Exist... Saves you in the End Of Days from dying...

As you patiently await here on earth as Paradise Is Revealed...
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Paul is talking about our manner of resurrection at the Final Judgment
when humanity will be rejoined with their bodies and glorified if you are going to Heaven. No one answers, how can you ignore the words last trumpet?

[51] Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall all indeed rise again: but we shall not all be changed. [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall rise again incorruptible: and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption; and this mortal must put on immortality.
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Brothers and Sisters,

Please be aware that we are all saved by the Lord himself.
Not by our own knowledge.

Be at peace and give glory to the God of heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ.

May the Lord Jesus bless and keep you all

Amen.
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"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." Mark 9:41

Forgetting God's Law is a Harsh Mistress The Whole World Wonders after "the Beast" System that:

* A: Gave us Sunday Worship (a false Sabbath)
* B: Gave us the Secret Rapture Theory
* C: Will cause the whole world to follow it, instead of God
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Of all the entities that should hate the teaching of the pre-trib rapture, it's the "Beast System". It wishes to rob us of "that blessed hope" and keep us from "keeping watch". It wants us to take our eyes off of Jesus and put them on the Beast instead, awaiting the revealing of the Beast instead of the arrival of the Christ. It makes Christians proud of their "prepping" and "self-reliance". And it makes them attack and slander their brothers and sisters.

Well, at least you slanderers keep my thread bumped so that more and more people will learn the truth of the pre-trib Rapture and be prepared.

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And here's a good article debunking the lie that the Rapture was a recent invention: [link to www.raptureme.com]
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Re: For Christians: The scriptural basis for the pre-tribulational Rapture
God has protected His people in terrible tribulation and persecution, this is His
way not the Rapture. You can't easily disregard calling this message false, Kevin is a Protestant prophet.
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