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For Christians: The scriptural basis for the pre-tribulational Rapture

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I just finished watching that video I posted earlier, and it is OUTSTANDING. So much so that I will start a thread about it. Must watch!

New thread: Thread: Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again


Got a one-star almost immediately. Very telling.

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Thanks for the bump s.

Have you had a chance to watch that video I mentioned?
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Yes I watched the first one once and i am now watching the second one
My comments on the first one
1. Kind. Of hard to follow because video and audio are of such poor quality
2. Having said that it sure explains a lot of the old testament
3. The guy has a brilliant comprehension of the old language
4. I'm not dogmatic on this but the phrases " seed of the woman" and
Mother of all living". Missler points out that the woman does not
Perduce a seed she perduces an egg. That should draw us to further
Study of that phrase. Mother of all living could this point to Jesus
In that there is only life in and through Him and ultimately the line to
Jesus must flow through her on his human side

As to the second video I'm only about half way through it and it is very interesting . Those skulls are something aren't they

Good thread keep

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Yes I watched the first one once and i am now watching the second one
My comments on the first one
1. Kind. Of hard to follow because video and audio are of such poor quality
2. Having said that it sure explains a lot of the old testament
3. The guy has a brilliant comprehension of the old language
4. I'm not dogmatic on this but the phrases " seed of the woman" and
Mother of all living". Missler points out that the woman does not
Perduce a seed she perduces an egg. That should draw us to further
Study of that phrase. Mother of all living could this point to Jesus
In that there is only life in and through Him and ultimately the line to
Jesus must flow through her on his human side

As to the second video I'm only about half way through it and it is very interesting . Those skulls are something aren't they

Good thread keep

Keep looking up. goodnews
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Thanks, Ed. hf

Yeah, it's a pity the first video quality is so poor. As for "seed", I haven't found any medical definition that says a woman's egg cannot be considered "seed". The Bible says she has it, that it is hers. So I would have to disagree with Missler on this. He's a smart guy, but even smart people make mistakes.

Yeah, freaky skulls... if there were only a few, one might suspect fakery. But there are hundreds.
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Maybe I'd didn't state it correctly, missler didn't disagree with the bible
He wanted to make a point that we consider the man to produce the seed and the woman to produce the egg, at that's what I was tought in school. But in context seed of the serpent and seed of the woman there is more going on here then meets eye. what that mite be I haven't a clue. It seems like the more you dig in to scripture the more complex it becomes
Thanks be to Jesus that salvation in so simple a child can understand and because of that I do understand and am saved

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Nephilim the true story by trey smith

This is truly mind blowing video

1 hr 30 min in. Behold the hand. Behold the nail

WOW!!!!!!!!!

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Nephilim the true story by trey smith

This is truly mind blowing video

1 hr 30 min in. Behold the hand. Behold the nail

WOW!!!!!!!!!

Keep looking up
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As always!
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Forgot about another good pre-trib source: Renald Showers. One link: [link to www.biblestudymanuals.net]

If 1 Thes 5:9 and Rev 3:10 both state that believers of the church age will not be subject to wrath. (And these passages do state that church age believers will not be subject to wrath)

And if Titus 2:13 says:

"While we wait for the blessed hope - the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" signifying a hope of blessedness not of wrath (And it does)

Then

The doctrine that the church has to go through the tribulation and be decimated by the catastrophies and judgments that occur - including multiple thousands being martyred leaving only a fraction of the world's population surviving is false.

It is difficult to support the concept that the CHURCH AGE believer's "blessed hope" is that of being subject to God's wrath and multiple thousands being martyred while waiting for the Lord's return, thus having to go through the tribulation until He comes at the end. No, believers of the church age await the Lord's return for them when He will meet them in the air before the tribulation begins, (1 Thes 4:13-18). This is what Paul refers to as the "blessed hope" of the church age believer.
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If the church is to be purified by going through the tribulation wrath, (which Scripture does not support at all but many offer this as a reason for posttrib rapture), what about the 95% of the church age believers who are already in heaven and have avoided the purification. Were they that much better Christians than those poor believers who face catastrophes, disasters, deprivation, fugitive living and martyrdom such as the world has never seen?
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An interesting article about factors that may contribute to the fake story to cover the Rapture: [link to www.alienresistance.org]
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Nope.... GOD warned people in the the day of Moses about the great flood coming and appending doom.... he did not rapture the people then to save them... He wants us to go through trials to sharpen our love and understanding of him...He wants us to be ready for the kingdom of GOD. Pre Trib/Post Trib... never will happen... we need to go through the tribulation, I as a christian want to go through that, to prepare my heart and straighten my love for him...why would you want to puss out and not stay here and fight for Christ after all he has done for you! Man up and stand by Christ in the day of Day the Lord...
Nothing would give me greater pleasure to fight side by side with him against the devil of this world and come out the victor and await my reward in heaven!!
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Nope.... GOD warned people in the the day of Moses about the great flood coming and appending doom.... he did not rapture the people then to save them... He wants us to go through trials to sharpen our love and understanding of him...He wants us to be ready for the kingdom of GOD. Pre Trib/Post Trib... never will happen... we need to go through the tribulation, I as a christian want to go through that, to prepare my heart and straighten my love for him...why would you want to puss out and not stay here and fight for Christ after all he has done for you! Man up and stand by Christ in the day of Day the Lord...
Nothing would give me greater pleasure to fight side by side with him against the devil of this world and come out the victor and await my reward in heaven!!
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So all the Christians who died before this point in history were not deemed worthy to be purified as YOU, the special and chosen? Wow, how egotistical.
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Well, it seems the latest pre-trib hater has no answer.

But apparently a lot of people are reacting to pretty much anything and everything I say by hurling tomatoes (red karma), never saying who they are or even what thread they're referring to. This is what people do when there are no rational rebuttals; they lash out like toddlers who have just heard the word 'no' for the first time.

So, to those kind souls who have tried to keep me here: barring a miracle, this is my last few weeks at the cesspool that is GLP. It's been a wild ride, and I regret nothing. Some of you have my email, so feel free to keep in touch.

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Hi there. hf

It's been war all day long in the other thread. But God has been good and will protect us. Jesus is very near; it's time to go!
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Just as on any topic with the Scriptures, until the (Biblical approach) is used, for reaching the correct conclusion, then all that we'll have, is either (an opinion, or a Scripture verse or perhaps several verses) - but never reach "the correct conclusion" with certainty. There's only one way to reach correct certainty, namely, use the methodology that (the Most High) gave us...to correctly reach a certain conclusion. (It takes a truly stunning level of work to do so, for this particular subject. For example, on the subject of "the coming of the Lord" AND a "verb" given for the church (what she's to be doing as the day approaches) - which is a closely related subject - there are 80 or 81 NT Scriptures or Scripture series. So again, it takes a stunning level of work - but for a subject such as this - it's the ONLY way.)

In keeping with the above, I thought I'd repost my comment (saying as much) from a thread made some weeks back, since I can't (Biblically state the "way to truth") any more clearly - than, God's way to truth.

Praise God

From the thread, "hey rapture folks":

It is a (truly major) biblical concept (and has nothing to do with whether the word "rapture", as translated in English) is in the text or not. The fact is, (its meaning...the event itself) is in the text; indeed many times. So it is real and it will happen.

The correct issue of (pre/post/mid/pre-wrath/etc.) - like most biblical concepts - is one of (what's known as "biblical hermeneutics").

Hermeneutics is simply a fancy word that means: HOW you interpret something (in this case the biblical text); or HOW you come to know something is true. IT'S NOTHING SHORT OF: THE METHODOLOGY that one uses to come to the correct conclusion on something...in this case, the timing of the catching away of the church - to meet the Lord (Jesus Christ) in the air. It's the time when believers are gathered together by His angels and when "we're changed" from mortal to immortal.

So correct hermeneutics will provide the correct biblical answer. Interestingly, the bible itself teaches us WHAT is the correct hermeneutic: It's in the Psalms, and it tells us that "Thy word (the sum of) is truth"...the sum of God's word brings us the answer to this - and all subjects.

Therefore, to find the answer, you have to take all pre- trib and all post-trib verses (if those are the two) and take/find the common denominator. This means, your conclusion must not conflict with any of the "opposing" verses, yet still make sense with the others. (There really is one...and there really is a correct answer.)

But why tell you what the answer is? It will hold less weight if I tell you. So do this yourself (It will take a lot of time and work - so only the real truth-seekers will know for sure; and that's how God wants it.). You'll then know 100%!

Clue: The resurrection and rapture are the same event.

Praise God
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Just as on any topic with the Scriptures, until the (Biblical approach) is used, for reaching the correct conclusion, then all that we'll have, is either (an opinion, or a Scripture verse or perhaps several verses) - but never reach "the correct conclusion" with certainty. There's only one way to reach correct certainty, namely, use the methodology that (the Most High) gave us...to correctly reach a certain conclusion. (It takes a truly stunning level of work to do so, for this particular subject. For example, on the subject of "the coming of the Lord" AND a "verb" given for the church (what she's to be doing as the day approaches) - which is a closely related subject - there are 80 or 81 NT Scriptures or Scripture series. So again, it takes a stunning level of work - but for a subject such as this - it's the ONLY way.)

In keeping with the above, I thought I'd repost my comment (saying as much) from a thread made some weeks back, since I can't (Biblically state the "way to truth") any more clearly - than, God's way to truth.

Praise God ...
Clue: The resurrection and rapture are the same event.

Praise God
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Yes, careful study is essential. And it's especially important not to oversimplify the complex, or over-complicate the simple.

Prophecy is notoriously complex. So we study and find that there is more than one resurrection, that there has been more than one "snatching up to heaven", and that there will be at least one more "coming of Christ" in spite of the fact that no one before his 1st coming ever dreamed of a second one. The only way they could have guessed it is by noting the fact that there are two sets of prophecies about the Messiah that cannot both be true at the same time. And the same holds true of the New Testament: there are two sets of prophecies about Jesus' return, that cannot both be true at the same time.

So look into all the conditions for every NT mention of the return of Christ, and you'll see that there must be two separate events.
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I too am interested in fractals

Limitations also effect the computer generation of fractals. Even though the mathematical processes used as the basis of calculation are capable of being magnified forever without a loss of detail, a calculator, computer or (heaven forbid!) pencil and paper are not. When an image is calculated on screen it is limited to the resolution of the monitor therefore this process only provides a representation of the fractal. You could magnify and recalculate so that a small region of the previous image is now displayed on the monitor as the new image. At least this will show levels of detail which were not previously apparent but nevertheless any particular render will only be a representation of the fractal at a particular scale.


Another feature of fractals related to self-similarity is 'fractal dimension'. Going back to coastlines, how long is the coastline of say, Britain? Unfortunately, there is no straightforward answer as it depends on the size of the ruler used to measure it. The smaller the ruler the more details can be measured and the larger the answer will be. Measurements for different ruler sizes can be used to calculate the 'fractal dimension'. A coastline will have a fractal dimension between 1 and 2, compared to the topological dimension of 1 that lines have. All fractals will have a fractal dimension greater than the topological dimension.
[link to shoresofchaos.com]




So fractals prove there is no God? WOW!!!!!!
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Friends, please pray for safety during the intense storm forming over the midwest US. A wide area could experience strong, tornado-force winds all afternoon.
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LOL

Fractalman returns!

Fractalman,you have quite a following!!
Willyou be starting your own thread?
I AM interested in fractals and recursion systems.

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LOL

Fractalman returns!

Fractalman,you have quite a following!!
Willyou be starting your own thread?
I AM interested in fractals and recursion systems.

LMFAO
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Thank you fractal fans!
I have changed my name to "FRACTALMAN", but I am mysterious.I will turn up on posts unannounced,just like Batman.
I will post interesting fractal facts,then disappear like a ninja,and people will say,"who was that man?"
IT WAS FRACTALMAN!!
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Just as on any topic with the Scriptures, until the (Biblical approach) is used, for reaching the correct conclusion, then all that we'll have, is either (an opinion, or a Scripture verse or perhaps several verses) - but never reach "the correct conclusion" with certainty. There's only one way to reach correct certainty, namely, use the methodology that (the Most High) gave us...to correctly reach a certain conclusion. (It takes a truly stunning level of work to do so, for this particular subject. For example, on the subject of "the coming of the Lord" AND a "verb" given for the church (what she's to be doing as the day approaches) - which is a closely related subject - there are 80 or 81 NT Scriptures or Scripture series. So again, it takes a stunning level of work - but for a subject such as this - it's the ONLY way.)

In keeping with the above, I thought I'd repost my comment (saying as much) from a thread made some weeks back, since I can't (Biblically state the "way to truth") any more clearly - than, God's way to truth.

Praise God ...
Clue: The resurrection and rapture are the same event.

Praise God
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Yes, careful study is essential. And it's especially important not to oversimplify the complex, or over-complicate the simple.

Prophecy is notoriously complex. So we study and find that there is more than one resurrection, that there has been more than one "snatching up to heaven", and that there will be at least one more "coming of Christ" in spite of the fact that no one before his 1st coming ever dreamed of a second one. The only way they could have guessed it is by noting the fact that there are two sets of prophecies about the Messiah that cannot both be true at the same time. And the same holds true of the New Testament: there are two sets of prophecies about Jesus' return, that cannot both be true at the same time.

So look into all the conditions for every NT mention of the return of Christ, and you'll see that there must be two separate events.
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You've not completed (God's methodology).

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You've not completed (God's methodology).

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By what authority do you make this judgment?


Remember, disagreement is not indicative of incompletion, incompetence, or ignorance. It's just disagreement.
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You've not completed (God's methodology).

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By what authority do you make this judgment?


Remember, disagreement is not indicative of incompletion, incompetence, or ignorance. It's just disagreement.
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By the authority of (God's hermeneutic)...God's methodology (for reaching the correct, certain conclusion on a subject).

Per my first post, the part skipped, explained that: "the sum of God's word" is the only way to reach a correct conclusion. (Please see my original post).

Therefore, you have to take every verse (and series of verses) that are of the opposing view (as well as those with your view/conclusion), and reconcile them to the (correct conclusion).

By holding to what you said (saying the resurrection and rapture) are separate events...will not reconcile all (even most) Scriptures that show they're the same event. It's not enough to simply (attempt) to show a Scripture, or several Scriptures (that give evidence for them being different events), rather, you must do the latter, while first reconciling the former.

Praise God
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You've not completed (God's methodology).

Praise God
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By what authority do you make this judgment?


Remember, disagreement is not indicative of incompletion, incompetence, or ignorance. It's just disagreement.
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By the authority of (God's hermeneutic)...God's methodology (for reaching the correct, certain conclusion on a subject).
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Your opinion is not on the level of divine wisdom. Yes, it's your opinion. People of faith and training can disagree and neither be considered more advanced or closer to God than the other.

Which is to say, I do not recognize or acknowledge that you have any infallible edicts to pronounce, or any authority to judge me.

As for evidence and scriptural support, you can not have read the OP or Summary I've posted dozens of times. I'll post it again for you after this.

You're not the first to come in here on a high horse to play God, and you probably won't be the last.
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