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For Christians: The scriptural basis for the pre-tribulational Rapture

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Would you lied us to start praying for your rapture now?

Why would any one in there right mind want prayers from a demon?

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Good one, Ed. I like a man who doesn't mind making us laugh.

Now that we have laughed, what can you teach us?
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Hi.

I know the post says "For Christians", but I can't help but respond! I'm NOT a Christian, but was raised Baptist and have studied religion and religious history extensively over decades. No degrees, just a personal fascination.

You put together a great OP. I was surprised you didn't include Matt 24:37-42, spec. 40 which states 2 men will be in the field and one will be taken, the other left. It's probably the greatest case FOR any type of rapture. Though it could also refer to an alien abduction! (ok, kidding! maybe)

Personally, I don't believe in a rapture. The rapture theology came about by a woman named Margaret McDonald in the year 1830. She had a vision while reading certain Bible passages. John Darby later "tweaked" those interpretations of her vision and went on to teach his own version of pre-trib rapture.

First thing I've learned in my studies is NOT to take the Bible literally. And trust me, I mean no disrespect and I do believe in Divinity. The Bible was written by men and tweaked by men for the purpose of gaining POWER OVER MEN. It has been edited, revised and interpolated over the centuries. Books have been removed. One key verse revision that comes to mind is Matt 6:22. Originally it said "Thine eye is the lamp of the body. If the eye is good, the whole body be full of light" (referring to the third eye). Now, some versions say "if the EYES are good", changes the meaning entirely. Jesus himself, IF he ever did walk the earth, never wrote anything down himself and nothing was written down until 70 c.e., nearly 4 decades after his death. The apostle Paul, never even met Jesus. He had a "vision" on the road to Damascus. Funny, anyone who claims to have visions today are labeled crazy or evil. I have had "experiences" which led me away from my church after having the Pastors tell ME they were evil. But how quick they are to believe words in book written by someone they've never met. Makes a lot of sense, aye?

Anyway, back to the rapture theory. If taken literally, Elijah was whisked away by a chariot of fire (was that a rapture? or an alien spacecraft? or some event our ancestors could not process because they didn't have the knowledge to properly explain it?) The trumpets and signs and symbols all seem to relate to natural occurring events, both geological and astrological (watching signs in the heavens/stars). Anyone who watches for any length of time can see the cycles of events, planets, even natural disasters and our ancestors did consider these events acts of God. Now, if you're a follower of Tim LaHaye, he professes that all things are aligning and we are in the end times and his followers have even given a date of April 22/23, aligning with a certain astrological event noted in Revelation 12. They also believe Pope John Paul II to be the antichrist who will rise again, like Jesus, yada yada, and it's why they have a 24 hr a day camera on his sarcophagus. I have a customer who goes into great detail on the subject - I will say Rev 17:10-13 did make me take a few steps back in considering the Popes. I actually counted the Popes from the time that Israel became a nation - BUT, men did that --- it wasn't a natural or Divine event, it was MEN making prophecy come to pass.

The marriage has also been used as an analogy of enlightenment, gnosis, total divine understanding and wisdom. Understanding that which we are - St. John of the Cross' "Dark Night of the Soul" well illustrates that.

Personally, after years of study and meditation, I believe the Divine is within. It's your birthright. There is no confessing to a priest or worry about some evil devil or hell. The only evil is within man (ego) and the only hell is what we create. Our Spirit is eternal, pure energy that never dies. We, ourselves, are responsible for our own karma. And many roads lead to the same destination. I think the Church harbors the greatest evil, more pedophiles, thieves, liars and hypocrites than in all the world combined. They certainly don't paint a pretty picture of eternity. I also think the Bible in so many ways is a horror story, misogynistic and paints a picture of a domineering, jealous, wrathful god. The Book of Job alone makes men seem like nothing more than entertainment - something to toy with. You don't really think God is like that, do you?

I don't think you are stupid ... I've been where you are. I think the greatest thing I've ever read in the Bible is where Jesus says "The Kingdom of God is within you".

I think it's a horrible thing that "some" people will be able to go to Heaven, even those child molesters who simply say "forgive me father for I have sinned", while other wonderful Buddhists or Gnostics or .... get kicked to the curb. That doesn't sound right either. I also think it's crazy to send your only child to a cross to be slain so that everyone can be "saved by his blood". Each person should be responsible for their own 'salvation', if there is such a thing.

I suppose we'll both find out eventually. And if Jesus comes riding in the clouds, I suppose I'm going to owe you a big apology! LoL

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I am amazed that so many people are confused.

There is NO pre-tribulation rapture, but there is a rapture that takes the wicked to hell. Are you asking for us to pray that you and the OP get raptured? Just ask and I will start right praying that you get exactly that, but you might want to wait until you listen to this.

Pastor John Weaver - The Rapture of the Wicked
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Please feel free to tell us all about this "there are at least 4 or 5 different flavors of the Post-Trib rapture theories". Be sure that you quote the Bible so that we can see it for ourselves.

If people don't know God's Word, they will fall for anything.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
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Despite your appearance of giving what seems to be a false prophet your worship, I will give you one response.

Yes, there are many who are confused. So if in doubt, just keep your eyes focused on Yeshua and His salvation, and you will be fine. The rapture doctrine is secondary to salvation.

I have no interest in providing that which I do not believe in for the consumption of the public. I have a duty to communicate the Truth. And that means my understanding of the Truth, and not someone else's understanding of what they think the Truth is. My experiment with discussing those erroneous doctrines has concluded. No one had an answer. No one shared any knowledge on the subject. No one responded to my request for discussion on that topic. Their only interest was in Pre-Trib bashing. If you want to research the various Post-Tribber theories further, you can do so on your own.

I will answer your silly and seemingly entrapping question by answering that I pray that God's will be done concerning the rapture. And I pray that God will take me to heaven when it is my time to go. I know where my home is, and am ready to go whenever God is ready, whenever that may be.

If I am destined to get run over by a car tomorrow and die, I know where I am going, so it's not a problem. And if I am destined to be physically persecuted in my life, then so be it. And if God decides to rapture all of His children to heaven soon, then I will be happy to be counted among that number who will go to be with our Lord and Savior, Yeshua.

I have no fear of death nor condemnation. And I would encourage you to pray that God's will be done concerning the matter of the rapture. And with that prayer, I will be happy to join you in praying it.

Peace
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So basically, you want us to ignore the signs that Jesus told us to look for before He comes back. God told us who THE antichrist is (Pope John Paul II), but nevermind that, is it?

I will ignore NOTHING that God has told us in the King James Bible, but you should ignore everything, if that is what pleases you.

Thanks for sharing your feelings with us. Next time, you might even tell us something that God said. I always prefer learning about God's Word over hearing about the feelings of men.
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I never said to ignore the signs that Yeshua told us about.Why do you put words into my mouth?

I said if you are in doubt, just keep your eyes focused on Yeshua. Do you think it a bad thing to do so?

God did not say that Pope John Paul II was the Antichrist. Where did you infer that? BTW, that guy is dead now, so you may want to upgrade your assumption on who the Antichrist is. But he will not be revealed until the Restrainer departs.

You rebuke me for not telling you what God said, but then you do the same to me? Really? If you think God said Pope John Paul II was the Antichrist, then you will need to Go Fish.

I did not say that I feel this or that. I said I have no fear, just as Yeshua told us:

(Luke 12:4-7)

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

(Matthew 10:26-31)

4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. 6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? 7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

So I will do as our Lord says, and not fear death.

Peace
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Let's look at your previous comments.

1. Despite your appearance of giving what seems to be a false prophet your worship

2. I will answer your silly and seemingly entrapping question by answering that I pray that God's will be done concerning the rapture.

3. And if God decides to rapture all of His children to heaven soon, then I will be happy to be counted among that number who will go to be with our Lord and Savior, Yeshua.

4. And I would encourage you to pray that God's will be done concerning the matter of the rapture.


Now let's look at your current comments

So.... your most recent post says

5. I never said to ignore the signs that Yeshua told us about.Why do you put words into my mouth?

6. I said if you are in doubt, just keep your eyes focused on Yeshua.

My replies to comments 1 thru 6

1. You start off with saying I appear to be worshipping a false prophet. NOBODY who has my writings in this thread would think such a thing EXCEPT for a deceiver

2. You call my question "silly" and then you answer as if I should NOT warn people that the rapture is about being sent to HELL. No Christian would tell me to stop warning people about that event. ONLY a deceiver would want me to stop warning people.

3. You said "if God decides to rapture all of His children to heaven", which is the EXACT opposite of what happens. People who are raptured go to HELL. That's deception 3 for you. 3 out of 3 deceptions so far.

4. I will happily pray that God raptures you and the OP, if that is what you ask me to do. That's deception 4 for you.

5. Your words are all about deception. There is no need for anyone to put words in your mouth. That's deception 5 for you.

6. Telling us to "just keep your eyes focused on Yeshua" is telling us to ignore His warnings. Jesus has already paid the price for our sins. Jesus has warned us to watch for the signs of the endtimes. Jesus did NOT say "KEEP WATCHING ME". That's deception 6 for you.

You and the OP are liars and you are not to be trusted.

The wise person will pay VERY close attention to this video, because we are surrounded by deceivers. Everywhere you turn, you are being lied to. Trust the King James Bible and forget about the OP and those like him.

Christians: Run For Your Life!
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Hi.

I know the post says "For Christians", but I can't help but respond! I'm NOT a Christian, but was raised Baptist and have studied religion and religious history extensively over decades. No degrees, just a personal fascination.

You put together a great OP. I was surprised you didn't include Matt 24:37-42, spec. 40 which states 2 men will be in the field and one will be taken, the other left. It's probably the greatest case FOR any type of rapture. Though it could also refer to an alien abduction! (ok, kidding! maybe)

Personally, I don't believe in a rapture. The rapture theology came about by a woman named Margaret McDonald in the year 1830. She had a vision while reading certain Bible passages. John Darby later "tweaked" those interpretations of her vision and went on to teach his own version of pre-trib rapture.

First thing I've learned in my studies is NOT to take the Bible literally. And trust me, I mean no disrespect and I do believe in Divinity. The Bible was written by men and tweaked by men for the purpose of gaining POWER OVER MEN. It has been edited, revised and interpolated over the centuries. Books have been removed. One key verse revision that comes to mind is Matt 6:22. Originally it said "Thine eye is the lamp of the body. If the eye is good, the whole body be full of light" (referring to the third eye). Now, some versions say "if the EYES are good", changes the meaning entirely. Jesus himself, IF he ever did walk the earth, never wrote anything down himself and nothing was written down until 70 c.e., nearly 4 decades after his death. The apostle Paul, never even met Jesus. He had a "vision" on the road to Damascus. Funny, anyone who claims to have visions today are labeled crazy or evil. I have had "experiences" which led me away from my church after having the Pastors tell ME they were evil. But how quick they are to believe words in book written by someone they've never met. Makes a lot of sense, aye?

Anyway, back to the rapture theory. If taken literally, Elijah was whisked away by a chariot of fire (was that a rapture? or an alien spacecraft? or some event our ancestors could not process because they didn't have the knowledge to properly explain it?) The trumpets and signs and symbols all seem to relate to natural occurring events, both geological and astrological (watching signs in the heavens/stars). Anyone who watches for any length of time can see the cycles of events, planets, even natural disasters and our ancestors did consider these events acts of God. Now, if you're a follower of Tim LaHaye, he professes that all things are aligning and we are in the end times and his followers have even given a date of April 22/23, aligning with a certain astrological event noted in Revelation 12. They also believe Pope John Paul II to be the antichrist who will rise again, like Jesus, yada yada, and it's why they have a 24 hr a day camera on his sarcophagus. I have a customer who goes into great detail on the subject - I will say Rev 17:10-13 did make me take a few steps back in considering the Popes. I actually counted the Popes from the time that Israel became a nation - BUT, men did that --- it wasn't a natural or Divine event, it was MEN making prophecy come to pass.

The marriage has also been used as an analogy of enlightenment, gnosis, total divine understanding and wisdom. Understanding that which we are - St. John of the Cross' "Dark Night of the Soul" well illustrates that.

Personally, after years of study and meditation, I believe the Divine is within. It's your birthright. There is no confessing to a priest or worry about some evil devil or hell. The only evil is within man (ego) and the only hell is what we create. Our Spirit is eternal, pure energy that never dies. We, ourselves, are responsible for our own karma. And many roads lead to the same destination. I think the Church harbors the greatest evil, more pedophiles, thieves, liars and hypocrites than in all the world combined. They certainly don't paint a pretty picture of eternity. I also think the Bible in so many ways is a horror story, misogynistic and paints a picture of a domineering, jealous, wrathful god. The Book of Job alone makes men seem like nothing more than entertainment - something to toy with. You don't really think God is like that, do you?

I don't think you are stupid ... I've been where you are. I think the greatest thing I've ever read in the Bible is where Jesus says "The Kingdom of God is within you".

I think it's a horrible thing that "some" people will be able to go to Heaven, even those child molesters who simply say "forgive me father for I have sinned", while other wonderful Buddhists or Gnostics or .... get kicked to the curb. That doesn't sound right either. I also think it's crazy to send your only child to a cross to be slain so that everyone can be "saved by his blood". Each person should be responsible for their own 'salvation', if there is such a thing.

I suppose we'll both find out eventually. And if Jesus comes riding in the clouds, I suppose I'm going to owe you a big apology! LoL
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Insightful post. applause
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Hi.

I know the post says "For Christians", but I can't help but respond! I'm NOT a Christian, but was raised Baptist and have studied religion and religious history extensively over decades. No degrees, just a personal fascination.

You put together a great OP. I was surprised you didn't include Matt 24:37-42, spec. 40 which states 2 men will be in the field and one will be taken, the other left. It's probably the greatest case FOR any type of rapture. Though it could also refer to an alien abduction! (ok, kidding! maybe)

Personally, I don't believe in a rapture. The rapture theology came about by a woman named Margaret McDonald in the year 1830. She had a vision while reading certain Bible passages. John Darby later "tweaked" those interpretations of her vision and went on to teach his own version of pre-trib rapture.

First thing I've learned in my studies is NOT to take the Bible literally. And trust me, I mean no disrespect and I do believe in Divinity. The Bible was written by men and tweaked by men for the purpose of gaining POWER OVER MEN. It has been edited, revised and interpolated over the centuries. Books have been removed. One key verse revision that comes to mind is Matt 6:22. Originally it said "Thine eye is the lamp of the body. If the eye is good, the whole body be full of light" (referring to the third eye). Now, some versions say "if the EYES are good", changes the meaning entirely. Jesus himself, IF he ever did walk the earth, never wrote anything down himself and nothing was written down until 70 c.e., nearly 4 decades after his death. The apostle Paul, never even met Jesus. He had a "vision" on the road to Damascus. Funny, anyone who claims to have visions today are labeled crazy or evil. I have had "experiences" which led me away from my church after having the Pastors tell ME they were evil. But how quick they are to believe words in book written by someone they've never met. Makes a lot of sense, aye?

Anyway, back to the rapture theory. If taken literally, Elijah was whisked away by a chariot of fire (was that a rapture? or an alien spacecraft? or some event our ancestors could not process because they didn't have the knowledge to properly explain it?) The trumpets and signs and symbols all seem to relate to natural occurring events, both geological and astrological (watching signs in the heavens/stars). Anyone who watches for any length of time can see the cycles of events, planets, even natural disasters and our ancestors did consider these events acts of God. Now, if you're a follower of Tim LaHaye, he professes that all things are aligning and we are in the end times and his followers have even given a date of April 22/23, aligning with a certain astrological event noted in Revelation 12. They also believe Pope John Paul II to be the antichrist who will rise again, like


Jesus, yada yada,


and it's why they have a 24 hr a day camera on his sarcophagus. I have a customer who goes into great detail on the subject - I will say Rev 17:10-13 did make me take a few steps back in considering the Popes. I actually counted the Popes from the time that Israel became a nation - BUT, men did that --- it wasn't a natural or Divine event, it was MEN making prophecy come to pass.

The marriage has also been used as an analogy of enlightenment, gnosis, total divine understanding and wisdom. Understanding that which we are - St. John of the Cross' "Dark Night of the Soul" well illustrates that.

Personally, after years of study and meditation, I believe the Divine is within. It's your birthright. There is no confessing to a priest or worry about some evil devil or hell. The only evil is within man (ego) and the only hell is what we create. Our Spirit is eternal, pure energy that never dies. We, ourselves, are responsible for our own karma. And many roads lead to the same destination. I think the Church harbors the greatest evil, more pedophiles, thieves, liars and hypocrites than in all the world combined. They certainly don't paint a pretty picture of eternity. I also think the Bible in so many ways is a horror story, misogynistic and paints a picture of a domineering, jealous, wrathful god. The Book of Job alone makes men seem like nothing more than entertainment - something to toy with. You don't really think God is like that, do you?

I don't think you are stupid ... I've been where you are. I think the greatest thing I've ever read in the Bible is where Jesus says "The Kingdom of God is within you".

I think it's a horrible thing that "some" people will be able to go to Heaven, even those child molesters who simply say "forgive me father for I have sinned", while other wonderful Buddhists or Gnostics or .... get kicked to the curb. That doesn't sound right either. I also think it's crazy to send your only child to a cross to be slain so that everyone can be "saved by his blood". Each person should be responsible for their own 'salvation', if there is such a thing.

I suppose we'll both find out eventually. And if Jesus comes riding in the clouds, I suppose I'm going to owe you a big apology! LoL
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I like it when a person makes it easy yo respond to their nonsense. You said "Jesus, yada yada" and so I will follow your lead.

You entire thread was about YOU and your thoughts and your feelings....yada, yada, yada....

I'm liking that "yada, yada, yada...." already.

You are wrong about it ALL....."yada, yada, yada...."

This man is right about it ALL, but then again..... he is a God fearing man who uses God's Word, non-stop.

Pastor John Weaver - The Rapture of the Wicked
[link to www.sermonaudio.com]

Have a nice day, "yada, yada, yada...."
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Below are my scriptural reasons for believing there will be a pre-tribulation Rapture. Please understand that there is no need to tell me I'm stupid, lost, deluded, rebellious, fearful, or a false teacher. I've heard all that a thousand times already, so saying it again wouldn't change anything. I'm just stating what I believe and why.
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You have some of the Scriptures here misinterpreted, and others that do speak of the rapture are taken out of their proper chronological order. If the original apostles who walked with Jesus died martyrs' deaths, why do modern Christians believe they deserve to be whisked away to avoid the pain and suffering of the great tribulation? Sadly, a LOT of confused and angry Christians are going to find themselves in the middle of the worst time in mankind's history...
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Hi.

I know the post says "For Christians", but I can't help but respond! I'm NOT a Christian, but was raised Baptist and have studied religion and religious history extensively over decades. No degrees, just a personal fascination.

You put together a great OP. I was surprised you didn't include Matt 24:37-42, spec. 40 which states 2 men will be in the field and one will be taken, the other left. It's probably the greatest case FOR any type of rapture. Though it could also refer to an alien abduction! (ok, kidding! maybe)
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Hello, thanks for stopping by. And thanks for your kind words.

The reason I didn't focus on Mat. 24 is because it's really not about the Rapture. The disciples had asked Jesus about the future as regards prophecies for Israel; there had been none for the church at that time, since it didn't exist yet. In the Summary I have listed links that include some to my own commentary, and you can read the one on the Gospels for more detail on how I see Mat. 24.


Personally, I don't believe in a rapture. The rapture theology came about by a woman named Margaret McDonald in the year 1830. She had a vision while reading certain Bible passages. John Darby later "tweaked" those interpretations of her vision and went on to teach his own version of pre-trib rapture.
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Please read my Summary. MacDonald didn't even teach a pre-trib Rapture. This is an urban legend. Darby did not get any ideas from her, either.


First thing I've learned in my studies is NOT to take the Bible literally.
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This is gross oversimplification. The Bible contains many different genre, many contexts, and many topics. To write it all off as an allegory or spiritual lesson is ignorant at best. One must study each passage in context in order to know how it is meant to be taken, and even then there can be legitimate disagreement.


And trust me, I mean no disrespect and I do believe in Divinity. The Bible was written by men and tweaked by men for the purpose of gaining POWER OVER MEN.
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All I'll say is that this is not the thread for this topic. This is about a specific prophecy teaching, not whether the Bible is divinely inspired. Please stay on topic.


Anyway, back to the rapture theory. If taken literally, Elijah was whisked away by a chariot of fire... The trumpets and signs and symbols all seem to relate to natural occurring events...
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Yes, Elijah was literally snatched up to heaven on a fiery chariot. Again, if you believe the Bible can be taken any way you want without regard for context, specific questions about its teachings are pretty much a waste of time.


Now, if you're a follower of Tim LaHaye,
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No. I follow Jesus. I've never even read any of LaHaye's books.


I suppose we'll both find out eventually. And if Jesus comes riding in the clouds, I suppose I'm going to owe you a big apology! LoL
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We will see. But by then it will be too late to apologize. Jesus only asks you to trust him; it isn't difficult or costly, so there's really no reason to put it off.
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Below are my scriptural reasons for believing there will be a pre-tribulation Rapture. Please understand that there is no need to tell me I'm stupid, lost, deluded, rebellious, fearful, or a false teacher. I've heard all that a thousand times already, so saying it again wouldn't change anything. I'm just stating what I believe and why.
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You have some of the Scriptures here misinterpreted, and others that do speak of the rapture are taken out of their proper chronological order. If the original apostles who walked with Jesus died martyrs' deaths, why do modern Christians believe they deserve to be whisked away to avoid the pain and suffering of the great tribulation? Sadly, a LOT of confused and angry Christians are going to find themselves in the middle of the worst time in mankind's history...
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Everyone is human and fallible. Including you. And all I've ever said is that these are my opinions. You can say that in your opinion I have misinterpreted some things. But what is "proper order" is another opinion.

I have answered your same question about suffering many times in this thread. And it can go the other way as well: Who are you to think that you, above all the saints of past generations, are "worthy" to be purified as none have been purified and tested before?

Sadly, a lot of proud, self-righteous people will be caught watching for the Antichrist when they were supposed to be watching for the real Christ.
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Would you lied us to start praying for your rapture now?

Why would any one in there right mind want prayers from a demon?

Ed
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Good one, Ed. I like a man who doesn't mind making us laugh.

Now that we have laughed, what can you teach us?

well i'm not a teacher but you mite start here

Salvation

why needed
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, each one to his own way; and Jehovah has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,
1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.

Result of sin
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have come between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you, from hearing.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

Does god really care
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Rom 5:8 But God commends His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, says Jehovah; though your sins are as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be like wool

redemption
Psa 111:9 He sent redemption to His people; He has commanded His covenant forever; holy and awesome is His name.
Luk 1:68 Blessed is the Lord, the God of Israel, for He has visited and redeemed His people

through Jesus
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the remission of sins.
Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the book and to open its seals, for You were slain and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation.

Only Jesus
John 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters in by Me, he shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pasture.
Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no other One; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
1Ti 2:5 For God is one, and there is one Mediator of God and of men, the Man Christ Jesus,

salvation a free gift
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
2Co 9:15 Thanks be to God for His unspeakable free gift.

Offered to all mankind
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him and he
with Me.
Rom 10:13 For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Act 2:21 And it shall be that everyone who shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,

how to receive salvation
John 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.
1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Result of salvation
Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
John 3:36 He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him.
John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will in no way cast out.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, He who hears My Word and believes on Him who sent Me has everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death to life.

John 3:15 so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Now is the time
2Co 6:2 (For He says, "In an acceptable time I heard you, and in a day of salvation, I helped you;" Behold, now is the accepted time. Behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Isa 55:6 Seek Jehovah while He may be found; call on Him while He is near.
Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, "Today if you will hear His voice,
2Co 5:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him

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The wise person will pay VERY close attention to this video, because we are surrounded by deceivers. Everywhere you turn, you are being lied to. Trust the King James Bible and forget about the OP and those like him.

Christians: Run For Your Life!



Yes and AMEN.

Great video! The passion is incredible as are the warnings.

I had the priviledge and honor of ministering along side of Carter Conlon and others at Time Square Church in NYC after 9-11.

I pray eyes are opened to the deception and lie of a pre-trib rapture.

It is a dangerous.

People need to awaken from their slumber, accept Jesus Christ, pray, read/study the King James Bible and prepare for what is coming.
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Since there have been people who have questioned the offer of praying that the OP, and his band of deceivers, get the rapture that they are promoting as a good thing, instead of being thrown into HELL, here is Pastor John Weaver preaching obout praying against the wicked.

Pay attention, all of you deceivers, because he is talking about you.

Pastor John Weaver - Praying Against The Wicked
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Everyone is human and fallible. Including you. And all I've ever said is that these are my opinions. You can say that in your opinion I have misinterpreted some things. But what is "proper order" is another opinion.

I have answered your same question about suffering many times in this thread. And it can go the other way as well: Who are you to think that you, above all the saints of past generations, are "worthy" to be purified as none have been purified and tested before?

Sadly, a lot of proud, self-righteous people will be caught watching for the Antichrist when they were supposed to be watching for the real Christ.
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Because I disagree with your view of the rapture, I'm proud and self-righteous? And where did I say that I thought I was "worthy" to be purified by martyrdom like the early saints? I know just how unworthy and fallible I am. If it is God's will to purify me, then He will have to give me the strength to endure it. It is becoming easier to see why the world will hate and kill Christians in the near future...
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Everyone is human and fallible. Including you. And all I've ever said is that these are my opinions. You can say that in your opinion I have misinterpreted some things. But what is "proper order" is another opinion.

I have answered your same question about suffering many times in this thread. And it can go the other way as well: Who are you to think that you, above all the saints of past generations, are "worthy" to be purified as none have been purified and tested before?

Sadly, a lot of proud, self-righteous people will be caught watching for the Antichrist when they were supposed to be watching for the real Christ.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Because I disagree with your view of the rapture, I'm proud and self-righteous? And where did I say that I thought I was "worthy" to be purified by martyrdom like the early saints? I know just how unworthy and fallible I am. If it is God's will to purify me, then He will have to give me the strength to endure it. It is becoming easier to see why the world will hate and kill Christians in the near future...
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You said, and I quote, " Sadly, a LOT of confused and angry Christians are going to find themselves in the middle of the worst time in mankind's history". And your statement infers that pre-tribbers will be those who are "confused and angry".

So think about what message you're sending to me as a pre-tribber.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Also, 49867659, it is NOT because you disagree with me; it's because you presume that anyone who is pre-trib is unprepared and vulnerable, which in turn means you must be prepared and invulnerable.

Think about the implications of what you said. Remember this?

If the original apostles who walked with Jesus died martyrs' deaths, why do modern Christians believe they deserve to be whisked away to avoid the pain and suffering of the great tribulation?
 Quoting: you

See? You imply that I think I'm super-spiritual and better than the apostles. You can't just drop things like that and then get indignant that I see them.

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Everyone is human and fallible. Including you. And all I've ever said is that these are my opinions. You can say that in your opinion I have misinterpreted some things. But what is "proper order" is another opinion.

I have answered your same question about suffering many times in this thread. And it can go the other way as well: Who are you to think that you, above all the saints of past generations, are "worthy" to be purified as none have been purified and tested before?

Sadly, a lot of proud, self-righteous people will be caught watching for the Antichrist when they were supposed to be watching for the real Christ.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Because I disagree with your view of the rapture, I'm proud and self-righteous? And where did I say that I thought I was "worthy" to be purified by martyrdom like the early saints? I know just how unworthy and fallible I am. If it is God's will to purify me, then He will have to give me the strength to endure it. It is becoming easier to see why the world will hate and kill Christians in the near future...
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You said, and I quote, " Sadly, a LOT of confused and angry Christians are going to find themselves in the middle of the worst time in mankind's history". And your statement infers that pre-tribbers will be those who are "confused and angry".

So think about what message you're sending to me as a pre-tribber.
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I personally view "confused and angry" in a different category than "proud and self-righteous." But maybe I'm not "worthy" to make that determination...
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I personally view "confused and angry" in a different category than "proud and self-righteous." But maybe I'm not "worthy" to make that determination...
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But you're worthy to determine the "proper" order of things.

Listen, you may not be aware of how your opening comment came across, and I just was adding to mine to try and show it more clearly. But I can only go by your words as they are.

Please also consider all that has been going on here. Trolls have overrun my threads and launched a continual hate-fest for days. I'm not in a patient mood.
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Would you lied us to start praying for your rapture now?

Why would any one in there right mind want prayers from a demon?

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Good one, Ed. I like a man who doesn't mind making us laugh.

Now that we have laughed, what can you teach us?

well i'm not a teacher but you mite start here

Salvation

why needed
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, each one to his own way; and Jehovah has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,
1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.

Result of sin
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have come between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you, from hearing.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

Does god really care
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Rom 5:8 But God commends His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, says Jehovah; though your sins are as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be like wool

redemption
Psa 111:9 He sent redemption to His people; He has commanded His covenant forever; holy and awesome is His name.
Luk 1:68 Blessed is the Lord, the God of Israel, for He has visited and redeemed His people

through Jesus
Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the remission of sins.
Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the book and to open its seals, for You were slain and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation.

Only Jesus
John 10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters in by Me, he shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pasture.
Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no other One; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
1Ti 2:5 For God is one, and there is one Mediator of God and of men, the Man Christ Jesus,

salvation a free gift
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
2Co 9:15 Thanks be to God for His unspeakable free gift.

Offered to all mankind
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him and he
with Me.
Rom 10:13 For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Act 2:21 And it shall be that everyone who shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,

how to receive salvation
John 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.
1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Result of salvation
Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
John 3:36 He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him.
John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will in no way cast out.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, He who hears My Word and believes on Him who sent Me has everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death to life.

John 3:15 so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Now is the time
2Co 6:2 (For He says, "In an acceptable time I heard you, and in a day of salvation, I helped you;" Behold, now is the accepted time. Behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Isa 55:6 Seek Jehovah while He may be found; call on Him while He is near.
Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, "Today if you will hear His voice,
2Co 5:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him

as ever ed

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Good list of verses Ed, but is there more to it than that?

Why did Jesus say this?

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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I personally view "confused and angry" in a different category than "proud and self-righteous." But maybe I'm not "worthy" to make that determination...
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But you're worthy to determine the "proper" order of things.

Listen, you may not be aware of how your opening comment came across, and I just was adding to mine to try and show it more clearly. But I can only go by your words as they are.

Please also consider all that has been going on here. Trolls have overrun my threads and launched a continual hate-fest for days. I'm not in a patient mood.
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I'm sorry you've had a troll problem. But how could you expect anything different while posting a Christian topic on THIS forum? And since you don't know what I think about the "proper order of things," it's unlikely that you're "worthy" to judge whether I'm right or wrong...
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I personally view "confused and angry" in a different category than "proud and self-righteous." But maybe I'm not "worthy" to make that determination...
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But you're worthy to determine the "proper" order of things.

Listen, you may not be aware of how your opening comment came across, and I just was adding to mine to try and show it more clearly. But I can only go by your words as they are.

Please also consider all that has been going on here. Trolls have overrun my threads and launched a continual hate-fest for days. I'm not in a patient mood.
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OP...... you say some of the craziest things.

You said "trolls" which is Satan's way of saying Truth Tellers.

You said "overrun" which is Satan's way of saying Visited

You said "hate-fest" which is Satan's way of saying Defending the Word of God and warning people that the rapture is about going to HELL.

There is NO REST for the WICKED and you sound tired.
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I personally view "confused and angry" in a different category than "proud and self-righteous." But maybe I'm not "worthy" to make that determination...
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But you're worthy to determine the "proper" order of things.

Listen, you may not be aware of how your opening comment came across, and I just was adding to mine to try and show it more clearly. But I can only go by your words as they are.

Please also consider all that has been going on here. Trolls have overrun my threads and launched a continual hate-fest for days. I'm not in a patient mood.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I'm sorry you've had a troll problem. But how could you expect anything different while posting a Christian topic on THIS forum? And since you don't know what I think about the "proper order of things," it's unlikely that you're "worthy" to judge whether I'm right or wrong...
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I never had any doubt that I would be trolled. All I'm saying is that you can expect short answers from me because of how bad it's been lately. I was asking for consideration from you, but never mind.

You said that my view of things did not have the "proper" order. You made the judgment that I am wrong. So don't deny other people the right to judge you as well... which I didn't, by the way. I did NOT say I knew what order you thought was proper. You're burning a straw man.

Anyway... I have repeatedly posted a Summary for anyone who wants to know how I arrive at my opinions. You declared them wrong without any attempt to back up your claim. Take it or leave it.
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I never had any doubt that I would be trolled. All I'm saying is that you can expect short answers from me because of how bad it's been lately. I was asking for consideration from you, but never mind.

You said that my view of things did not have the "proper" order. You made the judgment that I am wrong. So don't deny other people the right to judge you as well... which I didn't, by the way. I did NOT say I knew what order you thought was proper. You're burning a straw man.

Anyway... I have repeatedly posted a Summary for anyone who wants to know how I arrive at my opinions. You declared them wrong without any attempt to back up your claim. Take it or leave it.
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Good list of verses Ed, but is there more to it than that?

this pretty well sums it up for me

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

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KEEP2THECODE, I see you have had a lot of replies from people giving you a hard time!

It seems I was right about fractals, but as my post was for the more intelligent reader, I fully understand that you were not clever enough to understand it.
I understand your fear of intelligence. When the only thing you have to hold onto is an ancient religion, of course intelligent people are going to scare you. I t must be awful to say I was wrong about fractals and then be shown to be a fool by more intelligent posters. You lash out in ignorance and rage like the dim-witted child in the school playground. You lashed out at what you didn’t have the mental capacity to comprehend. I understand this and forgive you.

You seem to be watching your posts almost 24 hours a day (are you an EBT recipient?) and are obsessed with constantly reporting other posters that don’t agree with your ideas. Your only comfort in life seems to be watching your threads and trying to obtain as much ‘green karma’ as you can. I understand this and forgive you.

You come across as a violent and lost person. It must be very dark in your empty little world. If your ‘God’ does exist I’m pretty sure He turned His back on you long ago. The disappointment He must feel as He reads your sad little replies must make Him weep for you. I, like Jesus, understand this, and forgive you.

I hope this post pushes your thread up to the top of the board, so you can gain a small crumb of comfort from this. Maybe you should, like Gollum, report this post as abusive, and obtain some more ‘precious’ green karma.

It must be Hell in your mind. I wish you well on your solitary journey and pray you leave the darkness and find your way InToTheLight.


Remember what the Bible says:

John 2:9
‘Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.’


Amen brother, I hope you find your way back; and Gawd bless ya’!

catfilenails
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That is a lovely message of forgiveness.
God bless you InToTheLight.

float
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Awww thank you!!

Although I am not a believer, may your God bless you too.

I suspect some posters ( Keep2theToad LMAO)are possessed by Satan . He ‘cut & pastes’ his own posts all the time and never seems to sleep or go outside (when does he find the time to buy food with his EBT card?).

I regard him as my ’Pavlov’ dog. When ever I get bored, I annoy him, just to see him bark. He is very predicable, and it’s great fun to see him nearly burst a blood-vessel with poorly articled rage!

Bark for me boy! Bark!

In reality OP is possibly in need of a mental health assessment, so maybe I shouldn’t annoy him so much. I already feel a bit sorry for him. If you are interested, watch for the ‘anonymous’ proxy posters that agree with him, or repost his posts - Look familiar? He just loves to talk and agree with himself.

Maybe Fractal-man will save him or is it too late, even for the mighty power of fractals?

Is he possessed by Satan? I don’t know. Maybe I should I call upon the healing powers of the LAWD to rid him of the imp that sits in his body?

Self-absorbed and lonely, I pity OP. He is spiritually blind.

Bark for me boy! Bark!

peace

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6 months UK then 6 months USA.

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Good list of verses Ed, but is there more to it than that?

this pretty well sums it up for me

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

as ever ed
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So you believe "once saved, always saved" no matter what people do?

If that's the case, then why these verses?

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Don't those verses make it clear that MANY people are going to be rejected by Jesus Christ in the end, even if they THINK that they are Christains by tofay's standards?

The OP is lying to people about a rapture that will take people to HELL, not Heaven. Do you think Jesus will reject people because of this?

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
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Don't feed them, Ed. hf

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OP..... you just can't help yourself, can you? You said you would not respond and here you are responding.

Truth is winning. Yeah for GOD!
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OP..... you just can't help yourself, can you? You said you would not respond and here you are responding.

Truth is winning. Yeah for GOD!
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LOL.

Don't forget they are two separate people.

'ED' is definitely NOT KEEP2THECODE posting via a proxy.

No way.


Bark for me boy!Bark.

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6 months UK then 6 months USA.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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The church age ends at some point in time, correct?

Before Jesus came there was no church age...

There is a finite time that is the church age, and then the focus goes back to the Jews and unbelievers. That is the whole point of the Great Tribulation. This is Daniel's 70th week. Even the Messianic Jews understand this...why don't you who continually attack this? We are in the church age now, but that is about to change.

I have seen the OP attacked and on one post, he/she was told they would burn in hell. I can't for the life of me see how these people who are attacking (not debating) are still coming back with the same argument with this pastor Weaver. Again, why do Messianic Jews (who are very knowledgeable) believe in a Pre-trib rapture? Will they burn in hell too? Every Messianic Jew who I have ever heard speak knows their scripture (both old and new Test) and they believe in a Pre-trib rapture. I conclude that the Holy Spirit is guiding them. They have interpreted scripture correctly, as has the OP.

The OP is not a false teacher, and will not burn in hell.
You will not burn in hell either, for mis-interpreting scripture. You are just mistaken. I trust Pastors like John McCarther...they are not going to hell anymore than OP or I am.
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Discernment. Who has discernment? It's rare, like a PEARL.

Should we believe people or should we believe God?

Yes, the OP is a liar and unless he repents to God for his lies and unless he tells people the truth, he is hellbound.

John MacArthur is a FALSE preacher


John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Matthew 23:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

Matthew 23:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Matthew 23:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

Matthew 23:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

Matthew 23:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Matthew 23:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Well 502, I respectfully disagree with you...and I don't believe John MacCarthur to be a false prophet.
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