Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8625642 Quoting: asV 8438481
... Quoting: Prostetnik
It may surprise you to learn that in the cities of countries like Syria, under the dictatorship, that people became quite secular and focused on all of the things that people who live in western cities focus on. Sure they have Islam as a pert of the background noise. Just like the west has Christianity as a part of the background. And even a few fundamentalists who make Christianity look really bad. They are not all zealous demonstrators of the fervour of their faith. The dictators like the Shah of Iran were forces for modernization, westward looking. Maybe you do not remember that Beirut was once a cosmopolitan city and compared to Paris. Young people used to go as tourists to Afghanistan. Even Tehran was a desired exotic destination. There are lots of people in the Islamic world who would be just like you and me if they had the chance.
Well, you can thank your liberal "useful idiots" in Canada, as well as Socialist Francois Mitterand of France, Jimmy Carter in the US and a few other "enlightened" elites in the West who undermined Shah of Iran and FORBADE him to use strong-man tactics against a brewing revolt when it could have been squashed relatively painlessly/blood-lessly.
Then Ayatollah co-opted, well hijacked the revolution & the government -----> and got the Islamo-Fascist ball (slowly) rolling. Exporting terror & promulgating Islamic radicalism all over the world ever since. And the Saudis and Qataris didn't want to be out-done by the "heretical Shia", so they got in the game of erecting mosques & radical Madrassa schools that would raise a new generation of Islamic psychos....
So it was only a matter of time until Muslim Bastardhood sprung out from all the holes and crevices in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and so on.
So, um, old timers who obliviously, impotently sat by and let it happen... thanks for all that. We're gonna have to clean up this messs with a World War 3, it looks like.
Thanks again :)
Are you fucking serious? If the US and Britain had not meddled in a democratic country's (which Iran was before the Shah was installed) affairs in the first place the Shah would have never been in power.
The only "Mess" over there is because the US has meddled for years because of geopolitical reasons - to control resources. All the the hatred toward the US is BLOWBACK for our own hegemonic policies.
Oh good lord, please don't waste my time with your PC revisionist history nonsense. Maybe try to impress your UC Berkeley or Columbia U "neo-Marxist" wannabe professor so he can change your grade from C- to C+.... but that sh!t don't work on me.
The old "Apcacalyptic Twelveer Mullahs only hate us because of our meddling" fallacy.... `
As for Mossadegh...you see, this is how it works in a JUST and FAIR world: West has spent time, money and resources looking, discovering, extracting, refining, transporing and providing huge consumer demand-market for the "black oil" ----> without which the life in the Middle East would be literal HELL on Earth right about now.
So as "thanks" for all that countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait have rightfully continued to have somewhat productive relationships with the West and Western corporate intersts --- without whom, again, their lives would be horrific as their population swelled up to present size. Hell, even WITH oil, M.E. countries lives are full of misery and turmoil, imagine all that but WITHOUT those 100 of BILLIONS of dollars of easy revenue.....Mercy!
Well, anyway, there was this Marxist wannabe, Mossadegh. He thought he was a WISE guy. He thought that after the West had spent enormous amount of time, expertise and hard work developing Iraninan infrastructure & energy capacity -----> thus benefitting both the East and the West needs, much like American capitalism and free-market ideas & credits have literally taken 500 MILLION out of crushing poverty in China and India in the last 30 years....
Well, Mossadegh said "thanks for all THAT, by the way... but now that we no longer need you, get the fuck out!"
Mossadegh certainly wasn't going to equitably and fairly COMPENSATE the Western companies for all their decades of hard work and investments. Not under any kind of reputable arbitrage system, anyway. At most, he offered some pitiable scraps.
And then CIA, MI-6 said, "Whoa, buddy, not so fucking fast. You still OWE use a ton both in back-owned and in future-revenue generating that you so unceremoniously decided to take away from us.."
Enter Shah of Iran. The man provided stability and modernity to Iran, without breaking commitments to Western partners. He was friend with Israel because unlike most people in M.E. he didn't HATE the Jews with passion of 10,000 raped goats......
It is said that during Shah's regime women's skirts in Teheran were SHORTER than men's
skirts in Paris :)
In short, Iran messed with Texas. And they will get a real fucking blow-back in fairly short order, my friend. Just watch and weep.