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Mississippi river could be impassable by Dec 10.

 
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Food prices through the roof! starwars
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If there is any food at all.

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What Happens If the Mississippi Runs Dry?
America's main aquatic artery may soon be too shallow for barge shipping -- that may choke trade but benefit wildlife.

[link to news.discovery.com]

mentions prices will go up...
farmers will have to turn to other means of transporting...

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Oh Great...Now its a water battle...

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — Members of the congressional delegations from the Dakotas, Kansas and Montana are urging President Barack Obama to deny requests to aid Mississippi River navigation by authorizing additional water releases from Missouri River dams.

[link to www.businessweek.com]
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Montana is where the water is being held up at. So. Dakota is in year #2 of a drought. So, Montana would have to release it first.
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Yeah, looking pretty bad.
[link to climateillinois.wordpress.com]

There are also stories on the local news about Illinois American Water saying they will have to dig their intake pipes deeper to serve Illinois communities with water. But I can't find a link. Drought. Not as much drama as a flood. So people don't pay attention until weeks beyond the point when the shit has already hit the fan.
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Oh Great...Now its a water battle...

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — Members of the congressional delegations from the Dakotas, Kansas and Montana are urging President Barack Obama to deny requests to aid Mississippi River navigation by authorizing additional water releases from Missouri River dams.

[link to www.businessweek.com]
 Quoting: CowgirlK


Montana is where the water is being held up at. So. Dakota is in year #2 of a drought. So, Montana would have to release it first.
 Quoting: CrissCross


Oh Great...Now its a water battle...

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — Members of the congressional delegations from the Dakotas, Kansas and Montana are urging President Barack Obama to deny requests to aid Mississippi River navigation by authorizing additional water releases from Missouri River dams.

[link to www.businessweek.com]
 Quoting: CowgirlK


Montana is where the water is being held up at. So. Dakota is in year #2 of a drought. So, Montana would have to release it first.
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There are six dams upstream on the Missouri - they could release 10% of those six dams and the river would stay at normal through the winter - but the towns by the dams always want to protect the fishing so they don't want the dams depleted - stupid short-sighted thinking.
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They'll just offload the cargo north of the blockage, put it all on Trucks or trains, and haul it via land around the blockage... the reload it back onto more barges south of the blockage...

There will just be a brief delay in deliveries because of this.
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Here is a video which explains the situation in detail.


Economic Impact If Barge Traffic Halts on Mississippi




[link to youtu.be]

The first thing that came to mind after watching the video was spring of 2011 when the Army Corps blew up the Birds Point levee site at Sikeston, Mo to prevent the "ghost town" of Cairo Ill from flooding.

By "saving" the town, they flooded and destroyed 10's of thousands of acres of Missouri farmland which will not be able to be farmed for many years to come.

I wonder if "re-routing" the river had any impact on what is going on now.

The video claims that barge traffic will stop from December 10th until early March if nothing is done. 60% of all grain (2.3 billion dollars worth) move down the river.

All products going up the river stop too causing an impact of over 7 billion dollars.

This is a serious national problem!!!
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HEY, Louisiana woman, Mississippi man... :D

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What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water.
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What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water.
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Is the land raising..HMMM
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What happened to Edgar Cayce's map of the mississippi river being 100 miles wide? Maybe that's what happens they do some dumb shit that ends up flooding the entire mississippi..
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They'll just offload the cargo north of the blockage, put it all on Trucks or trains, and haul it via land around the blockage... the reload it back onto more barges south of the blockage...

There will just be a brief delay in deliveries because of this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9636450



Brilliant...How much more will you have to pay and how long will you have to wait for those products because they have to be transported over land?

Another thing you might want to take into consideration, it is much safer to move chemicals and hazardous materials by barge than it is to put that stuff on the roads.

I don't think there are enough Hazmat truckers in the entire US to move all the material going up and down the river if they close it down.

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Here is a video which explains the situation in detail.


Economic Impact If Barge Traffic Halts on Mississippi




[link to youtu.be]

The first thing that came to mind after watching the video was spring of 2011 when the Army Corps blew up the Birds Point levee site at Sikeston, Mo to prevent the "ghost town" of Cairo Ill from flooding.

By "saving" the town, they flooded and destroyed 10's of thousands of acres of Missouri farmland which will not be able to be farmed for many years to come.

I wonder if "re-routing" the river had any impact on what is going on now.

The video claims that barge traffic will stop from December 10th until early March if nothing is done. 60% of all grain (2.3 billion dollars worth) move down the river.

All products going up the river stop too causing an impact of over 7 billion dollars.

This is a serious national problem!!!
 Quoting: CowgirlK


Water Wars!
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My spouse and I cruised on the Delta Queen river boat a few years ago and were amazed to see the amount of cargo that travels by river. It is not something that most of the nation thinks about. Immense amounts of coal, grain. Just amazing. So, yes, this could be a huge problem on many reasons.
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bsflag


They'll just offload the cargo north of the blockage, put it all on Trucks or trains, and haul it via land around the blockage... the reload it back onto more barges south of the blockage...

There will just be a brief delay in deliveries because of this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9636450



Brilliant...How much more will you have to pay and how long will you have to wait for those products because they have to be transported over land?

Another thing you might want to take into consideration, it is much safer to move chemicals and hazardous materials by barge than it is to put that stuff on the roads.

I don't think there are enough Hazmat truckers in the entire US to move all the material going up and down the river if they close it down.

peace
 Quoting: CowgirlK


I think they can handle it...

There is a thing that most people tend to forget...

Americans, do not know how to give up!

Where there is a will, there is a way... if they cant to get the goods around a blockage, then they'll get the goods around a blockage.

They won't ship it all the way by land, just enough to bypass the blockage, then its back onto barges. I would estimate no more then a 48 - 72 hour delay for the unloading and loading at various points.
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Where there is a will, there is a way... if they can to get the goods around a blockage, then they'll get the goods around a blockage.
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Typo fixed.. forgot to login so couldn't edit my own post.

Oh and yes, there might be a slightly increase in price due to the detour, but it won't be an enormous increase...
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Drought & Missouri River downstream flow Economic Impact



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Seriously, who wants hazmat anywhere near our water system? Look at the NJ fiasco today with the train derailment into the river.
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Warming weather and drought conditions are increasing in severity in the middle of the US. Summer and winter corn crops have been devastated already by drought. Won't matter if the mighty Mississippi is impassable because there won't be much to transport by barge anyway!
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Criminy.
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I live near the MO./IL confluence with the Mississippi. It's incredible. By Summer I'll be able to walk across this river to MO.
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This is a media con to get people in the Great Lakes region to allow Lake Michigan to be drained into the Mississippi.

The feds have been chomping at the bit for decades to get at that water.

I honestly believe the state of Michigan would go to war over this issue.
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Nothing will get to the Port of South Louisiana if this occurs. At least nothing north of the blockage.

From
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The Port of South Louisiana is one of the largest volume ports in the United States. Representing 500 million tons of shipped goods per year (according to the Port of New Orleans), the Mississippi River barge port system is significant to national trade.
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Well it's a good thing we still have trains, In fact the rail system will more than pick up the slack. What do you think happens when the river is frozen over every winter. just saying.
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The boat Captains are gonna have to learn truck driving .
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This will be most relative to grain prices. Barges are a cheap form of transportation from grain hubs such as St. Louis and Kansas City, any disprution in that means those grains will have to be transported by rail or truck more than doubling shipping expenses.

Also, you would see an immediate jump in the contract prices of grains because of the shipping issues. A double whammy...
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Holy shit! This is not good!

The shit just keeps coming...A little bit here, a little bit there...

All of these things are going to add up to Big Doom!!!! Maybe we were all wrong to think it was going to be one catastrophic event. This is worse...:-)
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You all do realize what they are trying to do....they are trying to divide the country in half by "natural" disasters so it will halt the travel here in this country. So as better to control the population. Once the Mississippi River stops delivering goods and the New Madrid fault wakes up again, it is going to be next to impossible for anyone to travel across the country. They have already crippled the northeast...they are crippling the west now and probably in the next few weeks the sinkhole in Louisiana will finish off the southern part of the country. In case you are wondering about the north...they haven't been left out of the equasion...the New Madrid mess will take care of the north.
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They'll just offload the cargo north of the blockage, put it all on Trucks or trains, and haul it via land around the blockage... the reload it back onto more barges south of the blockage...

There will just be a brief delay in deliveries because of this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9636450


If it is offloaded once, it does not make economic sense to reload -- logistically, what a nightmare. That will be more costly than to simply continue the truck/train transportation.

Get ready for even higher prices folks due to logistical costs & greater spoilage enroute & lower quality of perishables.
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What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water.
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... and the annual flooding of the surrounding farmland provides the amazing fertility of the soil -- not unlike the processes of the Nile. If the drought persists, the farmland will degrade in fertility as well as the obvious drought consequences.

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You all do realize what they are trying to do....they are trying to divide the country in half by "natural" disasters so it will halt the travel here in this country. So as better to control the population. Once the Mississippi River stops delivering goods and the New Madrid fault wakes up again, it is going to be next to impossible for anyone to travel across the country. They have already crippled the northeast...they are crippling the west now and probably in the next few weeks the sinkhole in Louisiana will finish off the southern part of the country. In case you are wondering about the north...they haven't been left out of the equasion...the New Madrid mess will take care of the north.
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You mean a whole bunch of shitbags , crackers and nogaboons will be unable to come west ? Fucking awesome a big ole moat keepin the vermin out of the midwest )

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