Mississippi river could be impassable by Dec 10. | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1110734 11/30/2012 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Folks, it's possible to unload and reload. That's the issue. It's how many truckloads and the cost. "Barges vs. Trucks The 15-barge tow has a total cargo capacity of 22,500 tons, or 787,000 bushels. It would require a fleet of 870 53-foot dry vans to haul the same quantity of freight. But the barge is captive to the river, whereas the truck can travel virtually anywhere." [link to www.ehow.com] So of course you don't need 870 trucks, you could have 10 trucks runs 87 loads. Doesn't matter, the labor is intensive and that's one 15-barge tow. How many others are stacked up. One thing that hasn't been discussed it the narrowness of the channel. When the Corps of Engineers dredges, the try to minimize the channel to get it open, then widen it if they can. This means it's pretty well single file. If the channel isn't very deep, the payload is less and more total payloads are needed. Then of course the pilot can crew are very gingerly navigating. More accidents will happen, most likely. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1488600 11/30/2012 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will be most relative to grain prices. Barges are a cheap form of transportation from grain hubs such as St. Louis and Kansas City, any disprution in that means those grains will have to be transported by rail or truck more than doubling shipping expenses. Quoting: Saddletramp Also, you would see an immediate jump in the contract prices of grains because of the shipping issues. A double whammy... What grain? The granery here ran 24/7 last year. This year they haven't even bothered to turn it on. It's going to be a triple whammy because there isn't any grain. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1110734 11/30/2012 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Corps of Engineers are not miracle workers. They can blow stuff up and remove some rock pinnacles, not all. It depends upon how big it is. The real issue is water and releasing it. That's bad because someone up stream is depending upon it. I don't look for any respite until the Spring rains, if they come at all in sufficient amounts. Remember there's a lot of evaporation in Winter due to low humidity and use of the water too. The aquifers are the underground collection of rainwater and they're critically low. It's not just this section that's low, lots of places are low and lots of other rivers and lakes are low. If you want to see some scary data, look at: [link to groundwaterwatch.usgs.gov] Shows aquifers that are critical. This one shows stream levels: [link to waterdata.usgs.gov] The worst ones are brick red (below 10% of normal) and plain red in color (really low). |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25148952 11/30/2012 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What happened to Edgar Cayce's map of the mississippi river being 100 miles wide? Maybe that's what happens they do some dumb shit that ends up flooding the entire mississippi.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26812864 That will be after that explosion in Louisiana coming up collapses the whole river valley. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25148952 11/30/2012 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What happened to Edgar Cayce's map of the mississippi river being 100 miles wide? Maybe that's what happens they do some dumb shit that ends up flooding the entire mississippi.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26812864 That will be after that explosion in Louisiana coming up collapses the whole river valley. They are moving a million pounds of unstable TNT in Minden, LA this weekend. Google it. |
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| Burt Gummer User ID: 7702124 11/30/2012 05:57 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5375841 ... and the annual flooding of the surrounding farmland provides the amazing fertility of the soil -- not unlike the processes of the Nile. If the drought persists, the farmland will degrade in fertility as well as the obvious drought consequences. When the Nile Delta dried up for 100+ years....so did ancient Egypt. Same goes for the Mayans. With the economy the way it is....were are not much better off. Perfect economic storm brewing....with a little help from our Muslim Marxist Dictator. ![]() |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6673466 11/30/2012 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in Colorado, and we had a serious drought last summer. Funny thing is, in previous low rain years there would be water restrictions, I don't recall hearing any this summer. Our reservoirs are very very low, and so far snow pack is around 40& of normal. If we don;t get some moisture, and you are downhill from Colorado, next summer could be very very dry. |
| N3m3s1s (OP) User ID: 21514539 11/30/2012 06:45 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5375841 ... and the annual flooding of the surrounding farmland provides the amazing fertility of the soil -- not unlike the processes of the Nile. If the drought persists, the farmland will degrade in fertility as well as the obvious drought consequences. When the Nile Delta dried up for 100+ years....so did ancient Egypt. Same goes for the Mayans. With the economy the way it is....were are not much better off. Perfect economic storm brewing....with a little help from our Muslim Marxist Dictator. ![]() Great point Burt. Water is not only needed for physical life but also economical. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28342285 11/30/2012 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is a big deal for barges. I've been writing about this topic for a long time. Most people have no idea that barges dramatically reduced trucking because of fuel costs and the high payload amounts. When the river is low, then the payload can't be high because it will hang and scrape on the river bottom. This means less than full loads and more of them. It causes a cascade delay. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734 Sure they can dredge to get traffic moving, as long as it's humanly possible to engineer it, but it might mean a lot of unloading and reloading on the other side of the low lying water level. Expensive, isn't it? We're getting a double whammy too. The drought hammered the corn crop. A large portion was used for ethanol production. This means a high likelihood of increased fuel prices, right when we'll be using more trucking because of less barge use too. Barges transfer coal for utility plants. If they can't get coal to them, they have to truck it in, and that's very expensive. Salt is also brought in for areas that need more due to snow production. Very little rain falls in Winter. If we have a drier Winter than normal, then the rivers could get very low. Already the aquifers are very low, especially in the Ogallala region. Thank you for the post. You are absolutely correct and make very good points! About 60 percent of the country's grain exports and 20 percent of its coal for electric generation travel by river, and those barges keep lots of big trucks off the road. Each towboat with 15 huge rusty metal barges can haul the equivalent of more than 1,000 tractor trailers, so nobody wants shipping here to grind to a halt. But even with dredges in the middle of the river and lighter loads on barges, it's still not enough. Now, it comes down to blowing up underwater rock pinnacles, a highly specialized job, according to the corps' Saint Louis district commander, Colonel Chris Hall. He hopes that work will begin by the end of January, and it could last for two months. [link to www.npr.org] |
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| Carshy McCarsh User ID: 1486553 11/30/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This will be most relative to grain prices. Barges are a cheap form of transportation from grain hubs such as St. Louis and Kansas City, any disprution in that means those grains will have to be transported by rail or truck more than doubling shipping expenses. Quoting: Saddletramp Also, you would see an immediate jump in the contract prices of grains because of the shipping issues. A double whammy... What grain? The granery here ran 24/7 last year. This year they haven't even bothered to turn it on. It's going to be a triple whammy because there isn't any grain. ![]() Tell me what this tastes like... |
| Carshy McCarsh User ID: 1486553 11/30/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5375841 ... and the annual flooding of the surrounding farmland provides the amazing fertility of the soil -- not unlike the processes of the Nile. If the drought persists, the farmland will degrade in fertility as well as the obvious drought consequences. When the Nile Delta dried up for 100+ years....so did ancient Egypt. Same goes for the Mayans. With the economy the way it is....were are not much better off. Perfect economic storm brewing....with a little help from our Muslim Marxist Dictator. ![]() Well at least God will bless us because of our government's support of homos in the military, homos getting "married", and homos all up in the White House. Right? ![]() Tell me what this tastes like... |
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