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Mississippi river could be impassable by Dec 10.

 
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Could they invest in desalination plants and water pipes to move it?
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Huh??? scratching
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It's a Stimulus2/QE3 plan.

Desalinization plants for fresh water rivers.

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Food prices through the roof! starwars
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You can add gas and heating fuel prices to the list too. This is serious!!!



Lawmakers press Obama for action on Mississippi River

Read more here: [link to www.kentucky.com]



Low water levels have made it difficult for the corps to maintain a 9-foot-deep and 300-foot-wide navigation channel for barges along the river, an economic lifeline that carries billions of dollars of agricultural products, coal, chemicals and petroleum.

shipment of $7 billion of goods... Grain producers, chemical companies, oil refineries and electric utilities all depend on the river. Some cargo could be diverted to rail and truck, but at greater cost to shippers and eventually consumers.
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Hang on there, slow your row...potus is heading to hawaii for some r and r. vacation time for his crew, should rack up to 4 million$ in total trip cost. certainly, this issue needs to get in line of the others in the job jar that sits on his desk. move along.. nothing to do here.
Let me be clear...I have laser like focus on these issues.
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wasnt that the river that was like miles wide just a year or 2 ago with flooding up and down?

doom high
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It is a big deal for barges. I've been writing about this topic for a long time. Most people have no idea that barges dramatically reduced trucking because of fuel costs and the high payload amounts. When the river is low, then the payload can't be high because it will hang and scrape on the river bottom. This means less than full loads and more of them. It causes a cascade delay.

Sure they can dredge to get traffic moving, as long as it's humanly possible to engineer it, but it might mean a lot of unloading and reloading on the other side of the low lying water level. Expensive, isn't it?

We're getting a double whammy too. The drought hammered the corn crop. A large portion was used for ethanol production. This means a high likelihood of increased fuel prices, right when we'll be using more trucking because of less barge use too.

Barges transfer coal for utility plants. If they can't get coal to them, they have to truck it in, and that's very expensive.

Salt is also brought in for areas that need more due to snow production.

Very little rain falls in Winter. If we have a drier Winter than normal, then the rivers could get very low.

Already the aquifers are very low, especially in the Ogallala region.
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Some areas can't be dredged. As I understand, near Cairo there are 'rocks' that will scrap and tear the barges if the water is at nine feet or lower.
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Well that should be good for the already fucked up economy...
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Oh Great...Now its a water battle...

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — Members of the congressional delegations from the Dakotas, Kansas and Montana are urging President Barack Obama to deny requests to aid Mississippi River navigation by authorizing additional water releases from Missouri River dams.

[link to www.businessweek.com]
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Go from flooding nuke plants to no water. WTF
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What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water.
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... and the annual flooding of the surrounding farmland provides the amazing fertility of the soil -- not unlike the processes of the Nile. If the drought persists, the farmland will degrade in fertility as well as the obvious drought consequences.
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When the Nile Delta dried up for 100+ years....so did ancient Egypt.
Same goes for the Mayans.

With the economy the way it is....were are not much better off.
Perfect economic storm brewing....with a little help from our Muslim Marxist Dictator.

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Didn't this happen in summer too because of the low water. They had to close it for a couple of weeks or something.
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It was closed intermittently in August. Meaning they were adjusting traffic flow, not total stoppage.
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and it was south of where the river is being closed.. North of New Orleans. and only a 10-15 miles stretch.
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They'll just offload the cargo north of the blockage, put it all on Trucks or trains, and haul it via land around the blockage... the reload it back onto more barges south of the blockage...

There will just be a brief delay in deliveries because of this.
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OOOOKKKKAAAy, Einstein, no facilities to do so..so how is it going to be done?

I do expect more train traffic in the area..Union Pacific must be delighted.
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This will be most relative to grain prices. Barges are a cheap form of transportation from grain hubs such as St. Louis and Kansas City, any disprution in that means those grains will have to be transported by rail or truck more than doubling shipping expenses.

Also, you would see an immediate jump in the contract prices of grains because of the shipping issues. A double whammy...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I don't know if it is just grains... in my small area close to the Mississippi, there are two coal loading facilties..one is rather large!..
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What the hell is wrong with this stupid river. It either has too much water or not enough water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5375841


... and the annual flooding of the surrounding farmland provides the amazing fertility of the soil -- not unlike the processes of the Nile. If the drought persists, the farmland will degrade in fertility as well as the obvious drought consequences.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


This
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I live in Colorado, and we had a serious drought last summer. Funny thing is, in previous low rain years there would be water restrictions, I don't recall hearing any this summer. Our reservoirs are very very low, and so far snow pack is around 40& of normal. If we don;t get some moisture, and you are downhill from Colorado, next summer could be very very dry.
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And Nov supposed to be our 2nd snowiest month, and we havent got but a big fat 0" of nada :(
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It is a big deal for barges. I've been writing about this topic for a long time. Most people have no idea that barges dramatically reduced trucking because of fuel costs and the high payload amounts. When the river is low, then the payload can't be high because it will hang and scrape on the river bottom. This means less than full loads and more of them. It causes a cascade delay.

Sure they can dredge to get traffic moving, as long as it's humanly possible to engineer it, but it might mean a lot of unloading and reloading on the other side of the low lying water level. Expensive, isn't it?

We're getting a double whammy too. The drought hammered the corn crop. A large portion was used for ethanol production. This means a high likelihood of increased fuel prices, right when we'll be using more trucking because of less barge use too.

Barges transfer coal for utility plants. If they can't get coal to them, they have to truck it in, and that's very expensive.

Salt is also brought in for areas that need more due to snow production.

Very little rain falls in Winter. If we have a drier Winter than normal, then the rivers could get very low.

Already the aquifers are very low, especially in the Ogallala region.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734


Some areas can't be dredged. As I understand, near Cairo there are 'rocks' that will scrap and tear the barges if the water is at nine feet or lower.
 Quoting: babycakes


Yes, they're called pinnacles. Th Corps does demolition on them when they can't dredge. We've been talking about that aspect. It's not always possible.

If you have no water, it doesn't matter how deep you make the hole.
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The really sad part is there are few trades anymore in the USA. Working on a barge is still one of those where a deckhand can work their way up to a river pilot. Now with the bad economy and the drought, it's messing that up. It's a very difficult life with many hours worked in a row, fast sleep, and then back to work. They are away from their families for long periods, and often have a very high divorce rate.

I don't know how it is now, but they used to have a cook on board, often a mother-like figure that would watch over them, but I heard that that were eliminating that position for a microwave and microwavable meals.

There's a very high rate of drowning from falling overboard, and people get crushed in-between the multiple barges in a tow, or caught in the impellers. It's a rough job.

It's also a very tricky job to be the pilot given these odd river conditions.
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Food prices through the roof! starwars
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For us in the USA mainland, probably cheaper food prices. It goes to us rather than being exported.
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This will be most relative to grain prices. Barges are a cheap form of transportation from grain hubs such as St. Louis and Kansas City, any disprution in that means those grains will have to be transported by rail or truck more than doubling shipping expenses.

Also, you would see an immediate jump in the contract prices of grains because of the shipping issues. A double whammy...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I don't know if it is just grains... in my small area close to the Mississippi, there are two coal loading facilties..one is rather large!..
 Quoting: babycakes


Coal for us too, rather than being exported.

Though it would be a long boat trip to China, the large coal customer, going thru the Panama Canal or maybe 'round the other way, thru the Suez Canal.
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Oh Great...Now its a water battle...

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — Members of the congressional delegations from the Dakotas, Kansas and Montana are urging President Barack Obama to deny requests to aid Mississippi River navigation by authorizing additional water releases from Missouri River dams.

[link to www.businessweek.com]
 Quoting: CowgirlK


Isn't there a prophecy that the next civil war will be over water rights?
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