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Moron ATF Agent Seizes 30 Toy Guns! Says They can be Converted! (Video)

 
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ATF Jerk..I hope he is proud.
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 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


ATF Jerk..I hope he is proud.
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He's a true American hero, seizing all of those toy guns from that small business owner.
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What a fucking joke
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it actually all depends on the mechanism in the lower receiver, and if a "live" upper is feasibly able to be attached. in my well described as "hell bound" youth my friends and i converted more than a few diecast "super bangcap" guns to functional .22 rimfire zipguns. just because it's a "toy" doesn't render it incapable of actually being converted to a firearm. if you can kluge a .22 rimfire upper to that toy, and get it to fire (even once) it is by definition "readily convertible". if you can get even a single burst from a single trigger pull(even a casual "double"), it is indeed "readily convertible to full auto" by federal law. it sounds ludicrous on face value, but it could well be a justified confiscation.
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it actually all depends on the mechanism in the lower receiver, and if a "live" upper is feasibly able to be attached. in my well described as "hell bound" youth my friends and i converted more than a few diecast "super bangcap" guns to functional .22 rimfire zipguns. just because it's a "toy" doesn't render it incapable of actually being converted to a firearm. if you can kluge a .22 rimfire upper to that toy, and get it to fire (even once) it is by definition "readily convertible". if you can get even a single burst from a single trigger pull(even a casual "double"), it is indeed "readily convertible to full auto" by federal law. it sounds ludicrous on face value, but it could well be a justified confiscation.
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By that same reasoning, anything could be confiscated on chance it could be turned into a weapon. The guy's trying to look like a hero and is wasting taxpayer money and a small business to do it.
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it actually all depends on the mechanism in the lower receiver, and if a "live" upper is feasibly able to be attached. in my well described as "hell bound" youth my friends and i converted more than a few diecast "super bangcap" guns to functional .22 rimfire zipguns. just because it's a "toy" doesn't render it incapable of actually being converted to a firearm. if you can kluge a .22 rimfire upper to that toy, and get it to fire (even once) it is by definition "readily convertible". if you can get even a single burst from a single trigger pull(even a casual "double"), it is indeed "readily convertible to full auto" by federal law. it sounds ludicrous on face value, but it could well be a justified confiscation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28147705


lol, nice speech, Spook.
When you're done shilling and attempting to dispel accurate perceptions of ATF idiocy, have a listen to the start and end of the video where you can hear the toy's cheap plastic frame smacking against the reporter's palms.
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Maybe the lower receivers were compatibles or easily convertible to accept legitimate parts..
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every ATF agent deserves to die...least in my mind.
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They DO make plastic lower receiver ar15 firearms.
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Maybe the lower receivers were compatibles or easily convertible to accept legitimate parts..
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Maybe, though I fail to be able to suspend my sense of disbelief fully enough to believe a Taiwanese toy company would use real steel lowers, a metal chamber fitted for a real barrel and a firing pin, in a child's plastic toy.
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Maybe the lower receivers were compatibles or easily convertible to accept legitimate parts..
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They were made of cheap plastic, from taiwan. They would literally explode if anything were shot out of them that wasn't an airsoft bullet.
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They DO make plastic lower receiver ar15 firearms.
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LOL. not that kind of plastic, brother!
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In the second video Leslie posted, toward the end, you can hear the meat of the story that went otherwise unsaid. The ATF's real problem with these guns is that they were too realistic. Their real problem is they fear a toy being pointed at them that looks realistic enough they shoot back, kill a kid, and get in trouble. That's what this is about.
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Though, by now, it's about the same thing all the really good government agency stories are about: habitual, institutionalized lying.
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In the second video Leslie posted, toward the end, you can hear the meat of the story that went otherwise unsaid. The ATF's real problem with these guns is that they were too realistic. Their real problem is they fear a toy being pointed at them that looks realistic enough they shoot back, kill a kid, and get in trouble. That's what this is about.
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They can't enforce that though. Toy guns ARE NOT illegal. Guns aren't even illegal. Shit.
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it actually all depends on the mechanism in the lower receiver, and if a "live" upper is feasibly able to be attached. in my well described as "hell bound" youth my friends and i converted more than a few diecast "super bangcap" guns to functional .22 rimfire zipguns. just because it's a "toy" doesn't render it incapable of actually being converted to a firearm. if you can kluge a .22 rimfire upper to that toy, and get it to fire (even once) it is by definition "readily convertible". if you can get even a single burst from a single trigger pull(even a casual "double"), it is indeed "readily convertible to full auto" by federal law. it sounds ludicrous on face value, but it could well be a justified confiscation.
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it actually all depends on the mechanism in the lower receiver, and if a "live" upper is feasibly able to be attached. in my well described as "hell bound" youth my friends and i converted more than a few diecast "super bangcap" guns to functional .22 rimfire zipguns. just because it's a "toy" doesn't render it incapable of actually being converted to a firearm. if you can kluge a .22 rimfire upper to that toy, and get it to fire (even once) it is by definition "readily convertible". if you can get even a single burst from a single trigger pull(even a casual "double"), it is indeed "readily convertible to full auto" by federal law. it sounds ludicrous on face value, but it could well be a justified confiscation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28147705


lol, nice speech, Spook.
When you're done shilling and attempting to dispel accurate perceptions of ATF idiocy, have a listen to the start and end of the video where you can hear the toy's cheap plastic frame smacking against the reporter's palms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27636366


i guess you missed the story a few months back about the guy who made a functional ar-15 lower from a CAM drawing and one of those "3-d printers". it only functioned with a rimfire upper, but it was for all intents and purposes a completely plastic, functional lower. that part is what constitutes the "firearm" on an ar-15 according to fed regs. the reporter did NOT have one of the confiscated airsoft pieces, she said it was "just like it". i am in no way a shill, but if the lowers were dimensioned such that a rimfire upper could be installed, and the fire control group in that lower was functional or could be replaced readily with a functional FC group that would allow the converted piece to fire, it legally meets the definitions required for the confiscation. i'm no fan of the ATF in any way, but i am aware of the legalities involved. i never declared it a "good" confiscation, i explained why it was possible that it COULD be.
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Didn't miss the 3D printer story, though it raised some disinformation flags. You can watch OP's first posted vid at 01:55 and see the little white plastic orbs being loaded into this thing. Other shots around that area in the first vid show closeups that clearly indicate the only metal in this gun is potentially the heavy metal in the heart or in the earphones of the child playing with it.
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Maybe the lower receivers were compatibles or easily convertible to accept legitimate parts..
 Quoting: Casper28


They were made of cheap plastic, from taiwan. They would literally explode if anything were shot out of them that wasn't an airsoft bullet.
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


the lower only is subject to the recoil forces of the firearm, the tension of the various springs, and the spring pressures of the reciprocating parts. it bears none of the firing pressures. a .22 rimfire upper produces a thrust load of around 20 lbs to the buffer. it is perfectly conceivable that such a load could be sustained for a few shots. obviously, you have NO knowledge of the actual engineering and mechanics of blowback .22s in operation, and thus are talking out of your ass.
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They DO make plastic lower receiver ar15 firearms.
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LOL. not that kind of plastic, brother!
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Word your looking for is polymer.
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People are really starting to get tired of TPTBs stupidity. Every time these idiots pull this kind of crap it just shows the average man how stupid the people in charge really are. The control structures are beginning to crumble as people realize that the dipshits at the top are insane and don't deserve our respect or compliance with their insanity. The game is almost over and the elites have nobody to blame but themselves, IDIOTS............

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