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Were our college degrees worth the time, money, and effort we put into them?

 
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Were our college degrees worth the time, money, and effort we put into them?
I've been thinking about my bachelor's degree alot lately. While I don't regret getting it, I question just how much it currently helps me to live a "better" life.

While it helps me to earn more money per year, it's not nearly enough to validate the thousands of dollars (and hours) I put into my degree. Luckily my parents paid for what my scholarship didn't cover. If they hadn't, I wouldn't be able to even begin paying the loans back! I would be on some 25 or 30 year plan, playing thousands a year like some of my friends.

Some people that I know who don't have college degrees were gracious enough to share their salaries with me. They make almost as much as I do, and WITHOUT having to pay back any loans!

They move up in companies almost as easily as I do through years of experience. They often start a career at a younger age than those in college. College graduates might apply for a job in their field at 22 , or 23. Those who didn't have a college degree may have started at the bottom, but have already moved into the desired positions of the college graduates by then.

With the financial aspects aside, let's talk about the "system". In the last few years, I had what we on GLP like to call an "awakening". I realized that schools were designed by the government for mind control training purposes.

At school, we are trained to sit where they tell us to sit, memorize what they tell us to memorize, and to consider their words "golden" on all historical events.

We are never to question why World War II started, or what kind of experiments the CIA was doing. We are certainly not allowed to leave the permises without permission. Yes, school is a prison for mind control victims.

Certain academic subjects such as science and math are considered better indicators of intelligence. If students don't do well in these core subjects, there is a very narrow-minded assumption that they're not smart. It is never considered that their intelligence may lie in another area, such as art, music, or a trade that's not easy for everyone. These creative talents and skills, however, are frowned upon.

In my opinion, everyone is designed for a specific purpose. You can tell that person's purpose by what comes naturally to them.

There are differnt types of trees. If I'm growing apples, I'm an apple tree. School might try to force me to grow peaches or pears, and say I'm dumb. Just because I grow apples, it doesn't make me any less of a tree. It means they're not allowing me to freely use my gifts and abilities to fullfill my purpose.

I'm sorry I got off, but this is why I question the necessity for people today to get college degrees. At one time, it may have meant something, but it doesn't seem to anymore.
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You had fun didn't ya?

lol
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Contrary to what it make sound like, I did.

I made alot of friends. I got to sit under some extremely gifted professors. But, that really has nothing to do with what I'm saying here.
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Instead of focusing on wealth, use your talent to change the world. This is real purpose.
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Instead of focusing on wealth, use your talent to change the world. This is real purpose.
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I agree.
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You had fun didn't ya?

lol
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Contrary to what it make sound like, I did.

I made alot of friends. I got to sit under some extremely gifted professors. But, that really has nothing to do with what I'm saying here.
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"I got to sit under some extremely gifted professors."

I guess that's one way to get a A!!!!!

Hahahahahaha!

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You had fun didn't ya?

lol
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Contrary to what it make sound like, I did.

I made alot of friends. I got to sit under some extremely gifted professors. But, that really has nothing to do with what I'm saying here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1505901


"I got to sit under some extremely gifted professors."

I guess that's one way to get a A!!!!!

Hahahahahaha!

cruise
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You know that's not what I meant!
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Your degree was not worth it... At least in today's world. It's a good way to find a job that pays about $12 l hour.
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Wife has masters degree. Makes 130K a year.

6 years ago she had no undergrad or anything and made 39K a year.
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Your degree was not worth it... At least in today's world. It's a good way to find a job that pays about $12 l hour.
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I have no college and I make 19.45/hour
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I don't use mine for my career now but probably wouldn't have been hired without it

I did learn how to roll a nice fatty

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I don't use mine for my career now but probably wouldn't have been hired without it

I did learn how to roll a nice fatty
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Considering I'm in the medical field I'd say my degree was worth it.

In fact I think this and any of the STEM programs would be the only time a college degree would be worth it.


So all you Liberal Arts, Women Studies, or Literature, Etc. majors might want to reconsider your current educational goals
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I don't regret it, still owe student loans and graduated from a top private university... there is a big "but" though because I ended up being a stay at home mom to 3 kids. I guess I'm on hiatus and getting a master's degree in the future will be a bit easier.
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Considering I'm in the medical field I'd say my degree was worth it.

In fact I think this and any of the STEM programs would be the only time a college degree would be worth it.


So all you Liberal Arts, Women Studies, or Literature, Etc. majors might want to reconsider your current educational goals
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Totally agree, I wish I did major in STEM disciplines and not a stupid degree in liberal studies. Especially in today's current economy.
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"In my opinion, everyone is designed for a specific purpose. You can tell that person's purpose by what comes naturally to them".

How true, almost as if it were destined. School was a brainwash and I recognized it as such even then.
College wasn't for me but even as a young teen I had played around with electronics so I went for only an AS in electronics but have never regretted it. They told us that Engineers would come and go within a company but technicians would always be needed and they were right.
I've had high level responsibility and the stress that comes with the fast track and I'm ready to step off the merry-go-round. I've survived many layoffs and now I do engineering level work. The Medical person above chose a needed field for a career and that was wise. So that is the most important thing. Don't think we need a lot of underwater basket weavers so choose wisely. We need more skilled labor in this country.
If all you know is numbers and code can you fix everyday things down to the failed component? That's what we will all really need when TSHTF and after the pockylipse and what not.
It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?
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no,plumbers make more than 90% of you enlightened youngsters.an unskilled laborer in my area makes 38 bucks an hour straight time plus 9 an hour in bennies and can retire at 55 with 30 years in.hey someones gotta keep the golf courses open
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look for job openings for welders machinsts train engineers.lots a people retiring.hard work good pay no need for the health club and they pay you while you learn.my union card cost 800 bucks.i make 40 bucks an hour
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no,plumbers make more than 90% of you enlightened youngsters.an unskilled laborer in my area makes 38 bucks an hour straight time plus 9 an hour in bennies and can retire at 55 with 30 years in.hey someones gotta keep the golf courses open
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Keep busting your back for slave wages and then when you get hurt or develop Arthritis you come see people like me.
We love unskilled workers they're our bread and butter
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no,plumbers make more than 90% of you enlightened youngsters.an unskilled laborer in my area makes 38 bucks an hour straight time plus 9 an hour in bennies and can retire at 55 with 30 years in.hey someones gotta keep the golf courses open
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Keep busting your back for slave wages and then when you get hurt or develop Arthritis you come see people like me.
We love unskilled workers they're our bread and butter
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Well maybe I was wrong about you? One's shit is going to wear out anyway since it's just a bio-machine so you can stay under your florescent lamps all day with your pasty skin and alien pyhsique as so many of you appear to me when I have to see one while'st the rest of us knuckle draggers work the body as it was most likely intended.
It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?
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no,plumbers make more than 90% of you enlightened youngsters.an unskilled laborer in my area makes 38 bucks an hour straight time plus 9 an hour in bennies and can retire at 55 with 30 years in.hey someones gotta keep the golf courses open
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Keep busting your back for slave wages and then when you get hurt or develop Arthritis you come see people like me.
We love unskilled workers they're our bread and butter
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Well maybe I was wrong about you? One's shit is going to wear out anyway since it's just a bio-machine so you can stay under your florescent lamps all day with your pasty skin and alien pyhsique as so many of you appear to me when I have to see one while'st the rest of us knuckle draggers work the body as it was most likely intended.
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I was being Facetious No actual harm was intended
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To the person whose wife is now making good $ after her master's, sounds like she chose well for your area of the country. What field did she earn her degree in?

It's a more direct route to a career in some fields than in others. In general, I've come to believe more in job-directed training than the "liberal arts stuff" mentioned.

People I know who've gotten teaching degrees have at least a reasonable expectation of getting a decent job once they're out. People with 2 yr. community college degrees have also done well in some fields (mainly medical/technical).

The people I know who've done the best have earned pre-professional undergrads and gone on for a master's or better. Medical fields seem like a sure bet. Law is becoming more iffy. Anything dental hygiene or up in the dental field seem good, or respiratory therapy, physical/occupational therapy, speech therapy. Usually good $ but you have to like doing those things for your job.

I have a piece of paper from a large university that has been perceived as nothing more than a generic degree by any employer locally. I have never worked "in my field" but instead wound up doing secretarial work, which I had done PT to get myself through college.

20 yrs. post-graduation, I have no benefits, my hours have been cut to less than FT due to my employer struggling financially, and my hourly wage is decent for what I am doing, but would not work as anything to survive on.

I have applied elsewhere but never have the right set of skills or experience with whatever software is specified. I can't afford to return to school currently and am not sure I would know where to point myself even if I could at this point. The "sure bets" above don't appeal to me and to succeed in a field that I would enjoy seems like a huge gamble I wouldn't have enough time to take a chance on at this point.
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You went for the paid vacation and party. The degree was a bonus.
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You went for the paid vacation and party. The degree was a bonus.
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Actually my parents died before I was 18 so the government pays my tuition, housing, +7,000 spending money a semester.
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To the person whose wife is now making good $ after her master's, sounds like she chose well for your area of the country. What field did she earn her degree in?

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To be fair, she is in banking. She started her career as a Purchasing agent for Abercrombie and Fitch. Realized she had reached her max salary and made a change.

She took a 15 grand pay cut to a less stressful job so she could go to college. At that time she was making 30k a year. She worked the easy job for 2 years while starting her undergrad. 2 years into college she got a job at the largest bank in the USA, as a grunt/peon making 35k a year.

She has a crazy work ethic so this probably helped. She got her undergrad in Process Engineering, kept getting promotions at the bank. Went back and got her MBA. At this point she was making 70k per year. This was 2 years ago.

It is hard to get the pay you deserve if you stay at the same company after getting your Masters degree. She went out and started looking outside of this bank.

She found a job across the country making six figures. They paid for us to move and relocate. 6 years time, 90k more then she made back then.
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No college here.

Most I ever made was $125k/year.

Traveled the world.

Currently shoot nude models for FHM, Ford, Playboy and similar.

Oh, and buying 20,000 oz. silver at $7/oz. after selling my house at the peak of the housing market.

Some people don't need college. ;)
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I think it probably depends on the degree. I've made good money because of my grades, not necessarily my degree (got a position that required a certain GPA but no particular degree requirement). But I stopped working to raise my children. Couldn't stand paying hundreds of dollars a week to strangers to watch my kids all day so I could sit around some of the laziest people I have ever met. But that's besides the point. I don't know if I consider my degree a waste (it was mostly paid for by academic scholarships) because I think I'm a better thinker because of it, but I am certainly not using it now, and when I re-enter the workforce, I won't be using it then either. I am learning a trade now that will pay just as good if not better than my degree-acquired job. My taste of being chained to a desk to pay Uncle Sam just didn't fit my personality. So perhaps I just chose the wrong degree as a starry-eyed 18 year old. It didn't train me to do anything. Every job I have had since then involved learning on the job. Anyway, my answer is that it depends on the degree. Mine was probably a waste of 4 years. I didn't know who I was then.
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I think some colleges may be worth the time (maybe not the money). I just started my Masters and it seems private universities that I attended are simply diploma mills more than willing to take your money in exchange for that piece of paper. If my company was not paying for the degree I would be upset with the quality of the education. College appears to be the next collapse on par with the housing bubble and collapse...If I recall there is about 1/3 of all student loans are going into default, yet tuition continues to increase and jobs are not as accessible even with degrees




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