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The earth is NOT 6000 years old.

 
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That's just evidence that people know how to be vague.
And or that portishead knows how how to turn in into a great hook ..

The rise of an enlightenment just proves that the intelligencia weren't going to the let church oppress the truth any longer.
They've got a long history of silencing any human advancement, any scientific exploration that directly refutes the existence of god.
Simply because they can longer force these men to be silenced, does not mean however that they wouldn't like to. Which is why the age of enlightenment survived, and we have this so called "atheist agenda". An atheist agenda was always there, it just so happens that we, as a people will not let you sadistic bastards hold the truth behind some iron curtain of backwards logic and suppression any longer. That's the explanation you did not want to hear. Take it in. Let it simmer.
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50 reasons why idiots don't believe in evolution. Funniest thing ever written.

1.) Because I don't like the idea that we came from apes… despite that humans are categorically defined and classified as apes.

2.) Because I'm too stupid and/or lazy to open a fucking science book or turn on the Discovery Science Channel.

3.) Because if I can't immediately understand how something works, then it must be bullshit.

4.) Because I don't care that literally 99.9% of all biologists accept evolution as the unifying theory of biology.

5.) Because I prefer the idea that a (insert god of choice) went ALLA-KADABRA-ZAM MOTHAH-FUCKAHS!!!

6.) Because I can't get it through my thick logic-proof skull that evolution refers ONLY to the diversity of living organisms which reproduce with genetic variation, not to abiogenesis, or planet formation, or big bang cosmology, or whether God exists, or where they buried Jimmy Hoffa, or why the sky is blue, or how many licks it takes to get to the center of a fucking Tootsie Pop.

7.) Because the fossil record doesn't comprise the remains of every single living thing that ever existed on this 4.5 billion year old planet, even though fossilization is a rare process that only occurs under very specific circumstances.

8.) Because science has yet to produce any transitional species… except for the magnitudinous numbers of them found in the fossil record which don't count because… I uh, OOH LOOK! A SHINY OBJECT!!! *runs away*

9.) Because I know nothing about Darwin except that he had a funny beard.

10.) Because the theory of evolution (which, according to scientists, perfectly explains the richness and diversity of life on Earth) contradicts biblical literalism… ya know, flat Earth with a firmament that keeps out the water, talking snakes, people rising from the dead, bats are birds, flamey talking bushes, virgin births, food appearing out of nowhere, massive bodies of water turning into blood… etc etc.

11.) Because I think the word "theory" actually means: "random stabs in the dark" when it really means: "an explanation of certain phenomena that is well-supported by a large body of facts and often unifies similarly well-supported hypotheses" i.e. atomic theory, gravitational theory, germ theory, cell theory, some-people-are-dumb-motherfuckers-theory, etc.

12.) Because the fact that science is self-correcting annoys me. Most of my other beliefs are rigidly fixed and uncorrectable.

13.) Because I am under the severely mistaken impression that evolution implies someone in my very recent ancestry was a chimp.

14.) Because everything appears designed to my mind which was expertly tuned by nature to perceive design, probably as a survival mechanism.

15.) Because some secretly fabulous closet-dwelling televangelist (who unironically preaches hate towards gays) told me that evolution is Satan's way of leading me away from God.

16.) Because that same guy (who was also caught snorting blow off a male hooker's shiny naked ass) told me that God planted those fossils to test my faith.

17.) Because I'm 100% correct about everything 100% of the time and there is 0% chance that some snooty Oxford educated scientist with numerous honorary doctorates could possibly know something that I don't.

18.) Because I don't know that fossils are found in sedimentary strata corresponding to their age as one would expect if evolution were true.

19.) Because I don't understand why, if we share common ancestry with chimps, there are still chimps. And when someone with more than three brain cells in their head inevitably replies: "for the same reason Americans share common ancestry with Brits but there are still Brits, I can't follow the logic. It's just too big a leap. Who am I, Evil Knievel?

20.) Because my mom dropped me on my head when I was a baby.

21.) Multiple times.

22.) On purpose.

23.) Because the idea that life evolved naturally over billions of years is infinitely less believable than the idea that an 800 year old man crammed two of every species into a giant wooden boat when the entire planet flooded, an event for which there is absolutely no geological evidence whatsoever and also makes no fucking sense at all.

24.) Because Jesus totally rode around on a fucking t-rex. He's just that badassed. And also, did you know that t-rexes were vegetarians? Ken Ham says so and I believe it.

25.) Because I don't realize that saying "microevolution is possible but macroevolution isn't" is as stupid as saying "I can pick my nose for one second but I cannot pick it for 10 seconds."

26.) Because the education system failed me miserably.

27.) …and then took a big wet dump on my face.

28.) Because I think that knowing how nature works magically obliterates all of its beauty.

29.) Because I didn't know that evolution has been tested and observed in laboratories.

30.) Because when confronted with that, I refuse to believe it. It's obviously a scientific conspiracy aimed at turning everyone on the planet into atheists... even though evolution says nothing about god's nature nor whether he, she, it, or they exist.

31.) Because I'm too stupid to realize that Social Darwinism has nothing to do with evolution and is actually a pseudo-scientific bastardization that real science largely rejects.

32.) Because the planet and all the life on it was designed for humans… kinda like how the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY was designed specifically for the dust-bunnies that may accumulate on the floors.

33.) Because I don't realize that if we actually found croco-ducks in the fossil record, it would call many evolutionary principles into serious question.

34.) Because plenty of respectable people like Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee (who are not scientists) don't accept evolution, and that somehow validates my opinion.

35.) Because my mother didn't know not to drink while she was pregnant. She also didn't know not to repeatedly throw herself down a flight of stairs in an attempt to undo the accident of screwing someone who voted for Bush both times.

36.) Because I don't know that "irreducible complexity" has been debunked a frazillion times by a frazillion different people and is no more credible an argument than "NEEN-er NEEN-er NEEN-er, I'm right and you're wrong."

37.) Because I have never seen a duck evolve into a cat over night, despite the fact that such a thing would be contrary to all known scientific disciplines.

38.) Because I have no imagination, learning is too much effort, I don't like proven facts, change scares me, and I think deoxyribonucleic acid is something I'm supposed to clean my bathroom floors with.

39.) Because evolution means that I absolutely MUST reject everything else I know, abandon all my beliefs, and start aping around my house like a fucking monkey. OOOh-ooohh-ooohohh -OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!

40.) Because I haven't put my cave on the market and moved into the 21st century yet. I'm waiting for the cave market to rebound from the recent financial meltdown.

41.) Because I don't know what an atavism is and if you told me, I still wouldn't believeit. Too weird.

42.) Because I don't know that evolution explains methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus and also provides the answer in preventing it from turning into a superbug and killing massive numbers of people.

43.) Because I don't know that evolution is routinely used in medicine to diagnose and treat certain illnesses such as genetic ailments, bacterial infections, and viral infections.

44.) Because I believe there is a strong comparison between designed inanimate objects such as buildings, paintings, and watches (which we know were pieced together from identifiable components by human beings) and living organisms (which reproduce with genetic variation under the effects of environmental attrition).

45.) Because I see no significant similarities between humans and apes. *scratches my ass-crack then smells my fingers*

46.) Because I think I'm too special to have been crafted by any natural process. In fact, I'm so fuckin special, the entire planet, solar system, galaxy, and universe were created with me especially in mind, yes, I am THAT hotdamn important.

47.) Because I unquestioningly swallow the ignorant anti-science bullshit spewed directly from the fraudulent stupid asses of people like Ken Ham, Ted Haggard, Fred Phelps, and Kent Hovind.

48.) Because I'm a freethinker and freethinking really means ignoring anything that contradicts what I already believe.

49.) Because I don't know what confirmation bias is.

50.) Because "GOD DID IT" is the answer to anything I don't immediately comprehend and I certainly don't understand evolution.

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. Quod erat demonstrandum, I fucking win. Take that you EVILutionists!
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I have read some stupid shit but everything on this site WINS. I'm not going to bother to refute anything you believe cos you are all fucking imbeciles of the highest order.
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He doesn't know everything, the correct spelling is 'Goddidit'
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He doesn't know everything, the correct spelling is 'Goddidit'
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its Goddundidit.
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You fools have been so indoctrinated by the God hating educational system that YOU dont realize how great and grand the conspiracy is to deceive your minds into believing life slowly and accidentally created itself. You are parrots constantly repeating the mantra millions of years... millions of years, a realistically uncompromisable number where the simple mind begins to actually believe anything is possible in such a grand scale of time.
When one studys earth Geology for himself and the complexity of life and opens the mind, you will see this creation is young and the scars upon it testify to a catastrophic event that the bible describes as the great flood. This even itself is a key to opening up and understanding that geologic processes can happen rapidly. Mass beds of floating vegetation turned into coal and oil as they were rapidly buried, the fossils formed and all this very rapidly. Its all there for those willing to seek and understand. But go on you atheist keep repeating your mantra. Life is short and we will all meat our maker one day soon, and all will bow before him!
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You're just overlooking the fact that we've gone over your illogical flood theory, bit by bit right here. Since you don't remember the the rest of the thread let me bring you up to speed..

All flood theories and the pseudoscience that support them have been debunked time and again. I say all flood theories, because creationists keep coming up with new ones when they realize that they do not add up.
Is it so hard to believe that the entire universe was not created for you? Are you that egocentric? You say that god created earth specifically for you, why then I ask, are there better suited planets right here in our galaxy alone that are more tailored for human life?

[link to thespacereporter.com]

You see, you fall back to the same points when we've gone over how they have no sounds facts to support them. You must then, come back to your original point that we are brainwashed, although we have the research, we have the data that proves the bible is horseshit. The fact that around 90% of bible theologians say not to take the bible literally should fucking tell you something. It should tell you that you are wrong.

You're brainwashed dude. You and your fellow apes, who think you're too good to be apes. You ain't Shit. That's the truth.
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You fools have been so indoctrinated by the God hating educational system that YOU dont realize how great and grand the conspiracy is to deceive your minds into believing life slowly and accidentally created itself. You are parrots constantly repeating the mantra millions of years... millions of years, a realistically uncompromisable number where the simple mind begins to actually believe anything is possible in such a grand scale of time.
When one studys earth Geology for himself and the complexity of life and opens the mind, you will see this creation is young and the scars upon it testify to a catastrophic event that the bible describes as the great flood. This even itself is a key to opening up and understanding that geologic processes can happen rapidly. Mass beds of floating vegetation turned into coal and oil as they were rapidly buried, the fossils formed and all this very rapidly. Its all there for those willing to seek and understand. But go on you atheist keep repeating your mantra. Life is short and we will all meat our maker one day soon, and all will bow before him!
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The education system, and science as a whole is in no way "anti-god". That's something you've labelled it, because it provides the facts about what we know as a species. Just because the evidence points to something other than god, it must therefore be antigod in your mind. It is something you've forced yourself to believe. We aren't working to disprove the bible, the facts just appear to do it by themselves. And trust me, if you "study earth geology", (idiot) like most geologists do, you would arrive at the same conclusion they have. That the earth is 14 billion years old, and evolution is the most accurate working model we have. Just because some vague ass passages from an old book, say that that the impossible is possible, does not mean one should take it literally. Most of world thinks you guys are out of your mind. Studies have shown, that some of the least intelligent elements of society are clinging to what you believe. That's right not only is creationism stupid to most of the world, most Christians also think you guys should stop making Shit up.
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You are right, science does have a god and his name is Millions. There are so many geologic wonders in our world that point to a great flood of epic proportions, but hey that's too simple and it would give credit to the Bible. So the proud aesthetic scientist must uphold and defend their god Million, as that is all they have. Their lies are told over and over till you believe it as fact.
There are many creationist scientists but you must seek out the truth yourself!
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The problem with the YEC model is they start from the conclusion, and try to form facts around it. That's not they way real science works which takes the view "I don't know...let's go find out.

The Grand Canyon is not the result of some 'global' flood that happened within the past 4,000 years. It's simply illogical to even think that when we have an unbroken historical line stretching from the proposed date of creation at 4,000 BC that completely destroys the YEC timeline of earth history.
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You are right, science does have a god and his name is Millions. There are so many geologic wonders in our world that point to a great flood of epic proportions, but hey that's too simple and it would give credit to the Bible. So the proud aesthetic scientist must uphold and defend their god Million, as that is all they have. Their lies are told over and over till you believe it as fact.
There are many creationist scientists but you must seek out the truth yourself!
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There were civilisations that were not only prominent at or before 6000 years but were THRIVING! This is historical fact. And for a group of Americans to have convinced others to the contrary, is the rudest thing I can think of. Oh I suppose the fact that we have historical records of these civilisations, that they must be dated incorrectly by those who were loving it. Who the Fuck are you to claim they did not exist in the name of a modern religion. To fly in the face of our history as a people because of one book that has no facts to support it is so fucking infuriating.. wow.
Our god is millions now? Is that your official argument. You might want to think about that statement because it not only sounds retarded, it is childish reasoning that proves just how immature and uneducated you are on the subject. Stick to your conspiracy theory, because we are doing fine with facts without you.
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[link to ancienthistory.about.com]

The Uruk civilization, in Sumer, is just one of these that we can come up with to support that claim. It's a civilization that dates to 4500 BC.

I'm a Christian, and I have a degree in history. When YEC's try to rewrite history by saying that all these civilizations arose after the 'global' flood, I have to shake my head. The simple fact is we have historical records that allow us to match up ruler A with ruler B in some other civilization and can form a pretty good historical record from that.
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Thread: Age of the earth

Biological evidence for a young age of the earth
Image: Dr Mary Schweitzer


The finding of pliable blood vessels, blood cells and proteins in dinosaur bone is consistent with an age of thousands of years for the fossils, not the 65+ million years claimed by the paleontologists.
DNA in “ancient” fossils. DNA extracted from bacteria that are supposed to be 425 million years old brings into question that age, because DNA could not last more than thousands of years.
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Thread: VIDEO: Dinosaur Soft Tissue Destroys Millions of Years Ideas - Do you think Dinosaurs where the Dragons the old timers talk about?

Mary Schweitzer has discovered dinosaur soft tissue numerous times during the last 10 years. This video shows the strongest cases and debunks the evolutionary rebuttals. It also includes amazing video interviews from Schweitzer herself.

I think it pretty silly that people claim "the tissue wasn't soft until chemically treated". I would wonder what they mean by 'soft' but it is completely beside the point! The fact is - the tissue survived. It's condition is irrelevant.

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Analysis of Dinosaur Bone Cells Confirms Ancient Protein Preservation
[link to www.nsf.gov] 10/23/2012
A team of researchers from North Carolina State University and the Palo Alto Research Center has found more evidence for the preservation of ancient dinosaur proteins, including reactivity to antibodies that target specific proteins normally found in bone cells of vertebrates. These results further rule out sample contamination, and help solidify the case for preservation of cells--and possibly DNA--in ancient remains.



Thread: Dinosaur Blood Extracted From Bone
[link to www.wnd.com] 4/30/2009
Collagen, hemoglobin, elastin, laminin and cell-like structures resembling blood and bone cells have been found in a dinosaur bone scientists still claim is 80 million years old, according to a report in Science magazine today.

Paleontologist Mary Schweitzer of North Carolina State University first claimed to have isolated soft tissues and collagen from a Tyrannosaurus rex leg bone several years ago.

But because the leg was broken during excavation, the evidence was damaged and could never be independently confirmed.

Schweitzer then examined a more pristine leg of a plant-eating hadrosaur excavated from sandstone and found even better samples of soft tissue, according to the report.

“Our findings demonstrated that it did contain basement membrane matrix,” said Lewis Cantley, chief of the division of signal transduction at Beth Israel Deaconess, and a co-author on the Science study. Basement membranes, which degrade and regenerate during development and wound repair, comprise a continuous extracellular matrix that links endothelial, epithelial, muscle, or neuronal cells and their adjacent stroma.

In situ mass spectrometery independently verified amino acids in dinosaur tissues, including the collagen signature amino acid, hydroxylated proline.

While scientists previously questioned the possibility that soft tissue could survive tens of millions of years of fossilization, few seem to be questioning their assumptions that dinosaurs actually went extinct 65 million years ago.

Young earth proponents see something entirely different in the findings. As one creationist noted: “There’s no way this blood could be 80 million years old. The evolutionists are just saying so because they cannot bear the thought of recent dinosaurs causing their millions of years scenario to come crashing down. Without the millions of years, Darwinism is dead, dead, dead.”
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Thread: There are living dinosaurs today wipes out darwins theory

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Cryptozoological Realms

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Artwork by Bill Rebsamen

Mokele-mbembe: The Living Dinosaur!



Introduction
In the jungles of central Africa countries of Congo, Cameroon, and Gabon are reports of animal an animal with a long neck, a long tail, and rounded shape tracks with three claws. The closest known animal that has these characteristics is a sauropod dinosaur.

When some of the local people of the Likouala region would draw in the dirt or sand a representation of Mokele-mbembe they drew the shape of a sauropod dinosaur. Then when they were shown a picture of a sauropod dinosaur they said that picture is Mokele-mbembe.
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MonsterQuest Season 3: Episode 18 - The Last Dinosaur

[link to www.history.com] 6/24/2009
In the jungles of central Africa there may be a living relic of a dinosaur that stalks the rivers and frightens the local inhabitants. The feared creature, known as Mokele-mbembe, or "the one who stops the flow of rivers," is said to closely resemble the enormous long necked and four legged saurpod - a dinosaur that science claims went extinct 65 million years ago.
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Thar be dragons!
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The Uruk civilization, in Sumer
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Image: [link to commons.wikimedia.org] - Uruk cylinder seal depicting what looks to be Sauropod dinosaurs.
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[link to ancienthistory.about.com]

The Uruk civilization, in Sumer, is just one of these that we can come up with to support that claim. It's a civilization that dates to 4500 BC.

I'm a Christian, and I have a degree in history. When YEC's try to rewrite history...
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Some who claim to be 'Christians' then reject the Bible prove who they really serve.

Sumer was founded by Noah's sons after the global flood.

Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."

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[link to ancienthistory.about.com]

The Uruk civilization, in Sumer, is just one of these that we can come up with to support that claim. It's a civilization that dates to 4500 BC.

I'm a Christian, and I have a degree in history. When YEC's try to rewrite history...
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Some who claim to be 'Christians' then reject the Bible prove who they really serve.

Sumer was founded by Noah's sons after the global flood.

Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."

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[link to davelivingston.com]

[link to www.noahs-ark.tv]
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I have no problem with educated Christians, but you guys need to nip these yecs in the bud. They are pushing this agenda, and labeling you all false Christians. Here we have a Christian history major shoving the truth in your face, and you revert back to bad reasoning... Pathetic.
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I do not believe ANY Christian who knows their bible who believes that the world is only 6000 yrs old.

It may be millions or billions of yrs old for all we know.

Time itself was invented and came into existence at a certain point of time.

Also the angels were created first, then man. And when our time is over (SEE Daniel and the book of Revelation) then God will go on and create another creation.

The time gap is in Genesis 1:1 / 1:2.

All these things tell us mankind history is approx 6000 yrs old. But the earth, planets, and universe are much older!
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That right. You won't because by the time one is "educated" your "intelligence" has been suppressed and you've been indoctinated into a system that has a set of rules, even if they don't make sense.


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I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but you just described the Christian religion perfectly.
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I do not believe ANY Christian who knows their bible who believes that the world is only 6000 yrs old.

It may be millions or billions of yrs old for all we know.

Time itself was invented and came into existence at a certain point of time.

Also the angels were created first, then man. And when our time is over (SEE Daniel and the book of Revelation) then God will go on and create another creation.

The time gap is in Genesis 1:1 / 1:2.

All these things tell us mankind history is approx 6000 yrs old. But the earth, planets, and universe are much older!
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DAY ONE - GENESIS 1:5


There is no science to prove the bazzillions of years false 'science' claims. If there was there would be no debate just as there is no debate about how televisions roll off the assembly line. We know how the TV is made. No debate.


The atheist conspiracy began just a few hundred years ago founded by liars with a political revolution intent on brainwashing the masses with reeducation.
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[link to ancienthistory.about.com]

The Uruk civilization, in Sumer, is just one of these that we can come up with to support that claim. It's a civilization that dates to 4500 BC.

I'm a Christian, and I have a degree in history. When YEC's try to rewrite history...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26125917



Some who claim to be 'Christians' then reject the Bible prove who they really serve.

Sumer was founded by Noah's sons after the global flood.

Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."

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[link to davelivingston.com]

[link to www.noahs-ark.tv]
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To those that believe every word of the King James version...

Take a trip to somewhere like the Grand Canyon, where you can clearly see, with your own eyes, millions of years of sediment layers in the rock walls.
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Hydrological sorting...from the Flood "look it up"
While you are at it, look up "poly strata fossils"
Your religion is based upon fraud, the geologic column only exists in textbooks, not in real life.
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Flume tank research with sediment of different particle sizes show that layered rock strata that were thought to have formed over huge periods of time in lake beds actually formed very quickly. Even the precise layer thicknesses of rocks were duplicated after they were ground into their sedimentary particles and run through the flume. See Experiments in stratification of heterogeneous sand mixtures, Sedimentation Experiments: Nature finally catches up! and Sandy Stripes Do many layers mean many years?
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"when water jetted outof the mid-atlantic ridge at the time of the great flood?" Really?
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nothing atheistic about the universe being older than mans 6000 yr history?




I do not believe ANY Christian who knows their bible who believes that the world is only 6000 yrs old.

It may be millions or billions of yrs old for all we know.

Time itself was invented and came into existence at a certain point of time.

Also the angels were created first, then man. And when our time is over (SEE Daniel and the book of Revelation) then God will go on and create another creation.

The time gap is in Genesis 1:1 / 1:2.

All these things tell us mankind history is approx 6000 yrs old. But the earth, planets, and universe are much older!
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DAY ONE - GENESIS 1:5


There is no science to prove the bazzillions of years false 'science' claims. If there was there would be no debate just as there is no debate about how televisions roll off the assembly line. We know how the TV is made. No debate.


The atheist conspiracy began just a few hundred years ago founded by liars with a political revolution intent on brainwashing the masses with reeducation.
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This thread is embarassing. It kills me to think that there is such blatant ignorance afoot to reject the thousands of unrelated, independant scientific methods that prove the earth is at least ten thousand years old, in favor of an allegorical manuscript.

THERE IS NO ATHEIST AGENDA.

IF THERE WERE, WHAT WOULD BE ITS PURPOSE?


To send us all to Hell? Why? We don't even believe in it!

Science is ENTIRELY BASED ON OBSERVATION. If it cannot be PROVEN READILY and REPEATEDLY, BY ANYONE, it is not accepted as scientific fact. Science is perfectly happy to prove itself wrong, and correct itself with new information.

Science is merely the collection of evidence. SCIENCE HAS NO BIAS OR AGENDA AS TO WHAT THOSE OBSERVATIONS ARE. If science sees a thing happen, science records it. If it does not see a thing happen, it does not record it. IT'S THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.

Don't blame science if it contradicts your beliefs, that's like blaming the lottery for not making you rich. Blame the fucking world for being contrary, or grow the hell up and be prepared to adjust your definition of reality as you learn new things.


Anyway, to the brilliant few who have been towing the line against ignorance, don't give up. The more false science and flimsy "evidence" creationists produce, the sharper our own arguments become, the more thoroughly we can disprove them on an intellectual level. I've wasted many an hour saying the same, right down to the different methods of dating, not enough water in the world (even if you empty every trench in the sea), living observable proof of evolution in both labs and nature, and all the rest.


The fact remains is, there are two kind of people- those who take in all information, without bias, and draw conclusiuons based on fact.... and then those who pick and choose a dogma, and selectively reject information that does not support it. The latter category are idiots. Their opinions, albeit dangerous, are utterly worthless. You simply cannot trust people who don't base reason on logic and observation.

But don't worry, just like we eventually accepted the world is round, and spins around the sun, so too will these ridiculous notions of a 5000 year old earth be abandoned in time. Such fossils of ignorance linger longest in primitive minds.

Eventually the entire idea of creationism will be so utterly outdated and ridiculous to society that believers will be held with the same contempt as if trying to prove leprechauns and the tooth fairy.

That being said, none of the above contradicts the existence of a God or Gods. Only a small-minded idiot who cannot think for themselves finds it impossible to reconcile scientific learning with spirituality.
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To those that believe every word of the King James version...

Take a trip to somewhere like the Grand Canyon, where you can clearly see, with your own eyes, millions of years of sediment layers in the rock walls.
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Hydrological sorting...from the Flood "look it up"
While you are at it, look up "poly strata fossils"
Your religion is based upon fraud, the geologic column only exists in textbooks, not in real life.
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iamwith

Your religion is based upon fraud, your God only exists in textbooks, not in real life.

Want some proof? Start with Council of Nicea.
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Walt Brown's 'theory' holds no "water". No pun intended. It's a complete fabrication with no basis in reality.
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Remember guys, this is hard for them to believe, because they've left the education system behind a long time ago, disregarding the fact that they can walk into any laboratory and watch evolution still happening today.
But their inability to walk in with their claims just proves that it is easier to deny something without all the facts necessary to believe one thing or another. This denial of how science works on a fundamental level is getting so ridiculous, fine then, if science is "false" on a basic level, then abandon everything science has brought you. Stop posting replies on your computer, stop using cell phones, and 99% of everything else that you use to exist with, and go live in the woods.. I'm sure Jesus will come rapture you anytime now *rolls eyes*...
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You haven't heard of 'old earth creation' have you, it allows for adaptation to local conditions, what it doesn't allow is a common link between Air, sea and land creatures. 3 different environments and 3 lines of 'flesh'.

1Co:15:39:
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes,
and another of birds.
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You haven't heard of 'old earth creation' have you, it allows for adaptation to local conditions, what it doesn't allow is a common link between Air, sea and land creatures. 3 different environments and 3 lines of 'flesh'.

1Co:15:39:
All flesh is not the same flesh:
but there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes,
and another of birds.
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More likely, but in the end I think it's a very narrow idea.
One that resolves the bigger questions with one very easy answer.
Coming from the same atheist that has been debating in this thread since about page 4, I can tell you that we want you guys to be proved right and have no problem with independent research. But when you start hating on what we are trying to achieve. As of now we have the research leading one way, and maybe some day we will get to the point were it leads to god, even though I feel like it won't point to the god that you guys believe in. We are going in without an agenda. Stand with us or step aside, stop trying to stop us from exploring. We seek to find the answer. I fear you're afraid of that answer..
Just today in the science headlines 'earliest protostar found', I mean we can see stars forming. It's just ridiculous to think we are all involved in some conspiracy. Stand with us and do independent work or just shut the Fuck up and leave it to the pros.
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My question would be, what else are Christians wrong about?
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Everything.
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"when water jetted outof the mid-atlantic ridge at the time of the great flood?" Really?
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How would the earth have formed with that much water underneath the hard rock, perfectly encampulated? And the Mid-alantic trench doesn't bisect the earth, it doesn't reach Antarctica and it's only one of many trenches formed by plate tectonics. Also, not all mountains are aranged from north to south, the Swiss Alps are east to west, parallel to the trenches.
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Of course its not.








Its 6,002 years old.

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