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The earth is NOT 6000 years old.

 
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Even if Pat said "the earth is 6000 years old just as the Bible says" he is still a shill & sellout leading the sheep the wrong way.

Those people will be saved, Pat? I dont think so. He has the mark of the beast.
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Sorry to break it to you, but it is.


Choose to believe what you will. I promise you that one day the truth will be revealed to you and to everyone. Whether you choose to see it before it's too late for you will be your decision.
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^^ THIS! ^^
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THEY FOUND FREAKING HUMANOID SKELETTONS THAT ARE 300.000 years old. Holy shit.
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Produce it!
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go to a museum
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Go ahead and believe what "they" tell you. Notice how noone truly knows but they put the trust in "They" who has never done anything for you but hide the past truth of this world...
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THEY FOUND FREAKING HUMANOID SKELETTONS THAT ARE 300.000 years old. Holy shit.
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Produce it!
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go to a museum
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Been. Many mockup fictions about their theories. Not real science. Such as apes with human feet that were just created from someone's imagination.

What at the museum do you believe is older than 6000yo?

Creation Museums

[link to creationmuseums.com]
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What hope has mankind when people actually believe the earth is 6ooo years old...Jesus!!
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I am an educated Christian. Most of my friends are educated Christians. I have yet to meet a well informed intelligent educated Christian who believes the earth is young.
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Here is about 90 of them:
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]
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ok. I'll give you your 90 scientists (even if half of them received their degrees from joke colleges like ORU) and find at least 90,000 scientists who would laugh them out of the academy.
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I'm going with the old earth creation thing. Use 4,000 BC as the end of day 7 and for each day you go back you add 1 zero to the thousand column.
4,000BC end of day 7
40,000BC end of day 6
400,000BC end of day 5
4,000,000BC end of day 4
40,000,000BC end of day 3
400,000,000BC end of day 2
4,000,000,000BC end of day 1


Creation took these steps
end of day 1 earth existed so it has a day/night cycle if you could stand on it's surface, which you couldn't.

end of day 2 water was in liquid and vapor form
end of day 3 trees existed
end of day 4 time was created in that the earth had the same orbit around the sun and around itself as we have today. The sun and moon were given names, in day 1 they began to give off light.
end of day 5 the water had all collected on earth that we have today.
end of day 6, Eve is born at the very end and Adam was born at the beginning an in that day he got to name everything in the earth.
end of day 7 was the exit from the garden at the very start of day 8.

Quick summary.
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My question would be, what else are Christians wrong about?
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What's the proof on this, according to you?
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The earth is not 6000 years old. There were people living on the earth long before God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden around 7400 years ago.
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I'm terrified of anyone who doesn't want to read any book other than bible or a book written by a creationist.. like holy Shit. We are missing the point here. How long did man walk alongside dinosaurs before he forgot to paint them in caves adjacent to things that did exist at the time. I've never seen a credible scientist even mention creationism. I'd hate to see what the rest of these people's lives are like. I'm thinking trailer park.
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technically, robertson did NOT say the earth wasn't 6000 years old. he said the calculations of ussher werent inspired by god. ussher calculated an EXACT date. he used several frames of reference for his scholarly work on the subject (it was the 17th century, and MANY folks of both scientific and religious bents performed such calculations). many of usshers estimates of dates for actual historical figures were pretty much spot on (because he used actual historical frames of reference that were completely unrelated to biblical text). beyond the reign of nebuchadnezer(sp?), he had to rely entirely on biblical text. robertson is rejecting the "divine inspiration" of ussher's work because of the inclusion of non-biblical frames of reference. for the record, i am NOT a christ-tard, nor a young earth creationist, nor a creationist of any ilk. i find the concept entirely laughable, and the folks who would buy into it should be committed for psychiatric evaluation in my opinion. that is what would happen if they claimed an invisible friend named "morris the giant rabbit" or "sparky the robot" had told them such outlandish horse shit. but, replace it with "my all powerful sky-daddy" and you can reject reality to the point of howling at the moon.
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I've watched Pat Robertson for a second or 2 while channel surfing for something interesting, but last night I was actually watching for a minute for no reason when he said this...I Sure As Hell noticed what he said but I didn't think anything would come of it.
I think his point was quite clear: it isn't in the Bible! No where does it say "the earth is 6000 years old", you have to do a complex calculation that is a made up piece of figuring, like conspiracy theorists adding up the numbers in a date and multiplying it by the years the country has existed and you get the date of D-Day or something. See The Bible Code etc etc.
These numerical patterns abound naturally and within large books And you can get backing for Any crackpot idea this way. It might be because in the quantum multiverse every reality variation exists. (Although a universe that is this complex and containing such mature systems after only 6000 Is a stretch.)
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But our prime minister tells us it is ...wtf
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laugh
I'm terrified of anyone who doesn't want to read any book other than bible or a book written by a creationist.. like holy Shit. We are missing the point here. How long did man walk alongside dinosaurs before he forgot to paint them in caves adjacent to things that did exist at the time. I've never seen a credible scientist even mention creationism. I'd hate to see what the rest of these people's lives are like. I'm thinking trailer park.
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[link to www.genesispark.com]

^You mean like these? Or the fact that the Chinese have 11 "existing" animals in their Zodiac, and then a dragon?

Have you ever heard of Isaac Newton?
Francis Bacon?
Robert Boyle?
Michael Faraday?
Johann Kepler?
Gregor Mendel?
Louis Pasteur?
A.E. Wilder-Smith?

Nah, no scientist of any credibility believes in Creationism. The slight majority of modern-day scientists accept long ages, and molecule-to-man evolution, sure...but does that make it so? The world's best minds once believed the Earth was flat and that the planet's revolved around the Earth...were they stupid? Or was it just the accepted science of the day, so that is all they were taught, and everything in their studies was viewed through that world-view? The evidence for Creation is all around you. It is in the rocks, the trees, the animals, under microscopes, and clearly displayed in the heavens above. The evidence for Creation is not different evidence, it is the interpretation that is different, because we see through a different worldview.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Romans 1.21
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technically, robertson did NOT say the earth wasn't 6000 years old. he said the calculations of ussher werent inspired by god. ussher calculated an EXACT date. he used several frames of reference for his scholarly work on the subject (it was the 17th century, and MANY folks of both scientific and religious bents performed such calculations). many of usshers estimates of dates for actual historical figures were pretty much spot on (because he used actual historical frames of reference that were completely unrelated to biblical text). beyond the reign of nebuchadnezer(sp?), he had to rely entirely on biblical text. robertson is rejecting the "divine inspiration" of ussher's work because of the inclusion of non-biblical frames of reference. for the record, i am NOT a christ-tard, nor a young earth creationist, nor a creationist of any ilk. i find the concept entirely laughable, and the folks who would buy into it should be committed for psychiatric evaluation in my opinion. that is what would happen if they claimed an invisible friend named "morris the giant rabbit" or "sparky the robot" had told them such outlandish horse shit. but, replace it with "my all powerful sky-daddy" and you can reject reality to the point of howling at the moon.
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I've watched Pat Robertson for a second or 2 while channel surfing for something interesting, but last night I was actually watching for a minute for no reason when he said this...I Sure As Hell noticed what he said but I didn't think anything would come of it.
I think his point was quite clear: it isn't in the Bible! No where does it say "the earth is 6000 years old", you have to do a complex calculation that is a made up piece of figuring, like conspiracy theorists adding up the numbers in a date and multiplying it by the years the country has existed and you get the date of D-Day or something. See The Bible Code etc etc.
These numerical patterns abound naturally and within large books And you can get backing for Any crackpot idea this way. It might be because in the quantum multiverse every reality variation exists. (Although a universe that is this complex and containing such mature systems after only 6000 Is a stretch.)
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Pat Robertson is a nut job. The Bible tells you, starting with Adam, how old the ancestor was when they had their children. You just go back and add up the dates, it comes to around 6,000. Do a little research instead of just blindly accepting things that you want so badly to be true. Then again, you were flipping through channels so I am guessing you don't know how to do any critical thinking of your own. The conspiracy theory is that false-teachers like Pat Robertson add huge gaps between Genesis 1.1 and 1.2 that don't exist anywhere in the Bible, trying to mesh with modern day science.
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i thought god was timeless,
to suggest he was restricted by time in any manner would degrade his power...

if he exists at all
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i thought god was timeless,
to suggest he was restricted by time in any manner would degrade his power...

if he exists at all
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HE is not limited by His creation, we are.
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Our humanoid Race was far more advanced a few Hundred Thousands of years ago.

But some event happened. Probably a nuclear war, beyond our comprehensible imagination... There were leftovers, though. Guess who found it first? YEAH RIGHT THE EGYPTIANS!

Never questionned why the egyptians suddenly learned writing, maths and high engineering in a short period of hundred of years? Even Historian are baffled by this fact. They call it "Back stair step evolution" because once they gained their high technology, the egyptians fell back again in their dark age.


People have to research this. Its fucking unbelievable what is hidden from us.

THEY FOUND FREAKING HUMANOID SKELETTONS THAT ARE 300.000 years old. Holy shit.
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What a surprise.
[link to now.msn.com]
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The planet we live on is much older than 6,000 years.

Ussher's chronology is deeply flawed, and there was no 'global' flood in 2348 BC.
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laugh
I'm terrified of anyone who doesn't want to read any book other than bible or a book written by a creationist.. like holy Shit. We are missing the point here. How long did man walk alongside dinosaurs before he forgot to paint them in caves adjacent to things that did exist at the time. I've never seen a credible scientist even mention creationism. I'd hate to see what the rest of these people's lives are like. I'm thinking trailer park.
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[link to www.genesispark.com]

^You mean like these? Or the fact that the Chinese have 11 "existing" animals in their Zodiac, and then a dragon?

Have you ever heard of Isaac Newton?
Francis Bacon?
Robert Boyle?
Michael Faraday?
Johann Kepler?
Gregor Mendel?
Louis Pasteur?
A.E. Wilder-Smith?

Nah, no scientist of any credibility believes in Creationism. The slight majority of modern-day scientists accept long ages, and molecule-to-man evolution, sure...but does that make it so? The world's best minds once believed the Earth was flat and that the planet's revolved around the Earth...were they stupid? Or was it just the accepted science of the day, so that is all they were taught, and everything in their studies was viewed through that world-view? The evidence for Creation is all around you. It is in the rocks, the trees, the animals, under microscopes, and clearly displayed in the heavens above. The evidence for Creation is not different evidence, it is the interpretation that is different, because we see through a different worldview.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Romans 1.21
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Of course I've heard of these men, some great scientisds in their own right. But it's unfortunate that they couldn't live to see a standardized way of dating take shape. It's also quite unfortunate that you reject RCD as the right way. You lost me when you started quoting that ridiculous book though. I simply don't have the energy to go on and on about how wrong you are. Science has come a long way, we can actually leave earth to see that it is round, and we can date things to see how old they are. That's a fact. And it's one you'll have to accept. I'm curious if creationists spend all of their time looking for the most illogical arguments to hold up their theories that simply won't be around in 50 years.
It's too much work trying to prove something that's already been falsified over and over. Just give it up. There's no truth in that book. Zero. Nada. Zilth. You'd have better luck proving another, more ancient holy book to be true.
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THEY FOUND FREAKING HUMANOID SKELETTONS THAT ARE 300.000 years old. Holy shit.
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Produce it!
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go to a museum
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Been. Many mockup fictions about their theories. Not real science. Such as apes with human feet that were just created from someone's imagination.

What at the museum do you believe is older than 6000yo?

Creation Museums

[link to creationmuseums.com]
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funchrist
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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Produce it!
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go to a museum
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Been. Many mockup fictions about their theories. Not real science. Such as apes with human feet that were just created from someone's imagination.

What at the museum do you believe is older than 6000yo?

Creation Museums

[link to creationmuseums.com]
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:funchrist:
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Funny that you should mention flat earth, when the man that pointed out that it wasn't flat but in fact round, was subsequently locked up at his home because he was threat to YOU people. That's what you do when science threatens beliefs. I remember that. Do YOU remember that. Good example though, try another that doesn't involve your church denying scientific fact like threatened children.. I'm pretty done with this thread, it feels like talking to ants I imagine. You can't teach them about the modern world if all of their facts come from an ant god.
That's what I'm calling god from now on. 'Ant god'.
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First of all, the AGE, the age of man on earth, very much is 6000 years old. That is the time Satan was given when Adam fell and turned over power to Satan to run the world, it's a 6000 year lease and its up now. You have to remember that God creates things that are "old" when created, such as making Adam to be a full grown man when he was created. The earth was also created old.
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laugh
I'm terrified of anyone who doesn't want to read any book other than bible or a book written by a creationist.. like holy Shit. We are missing the point here. How long did man walk alongside dinosaurs before he forgot to paint them in caves adjacent to things that did exist at the time. I've never seen a credible scientist even mention creationism. I'd hate to see what the rest of these people's lives are like. I'm thinking trailer park.
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[link to www.genesispark.com]

^You mean like these? Or the fact that the Chinese have 11 "existing" animals in their Zodiac, and then a dragon?

Have you ever heard of Isaac Newton?
Francis Bacon?
Robert Boyle?
Michael Faraday?
Johann Kepler?
Gregor Mendel?
Louis Pasteur?
A.E. Wilder-Smith?

Nah, no scientist of any credibility believes in Creationism. The slight majority of modern-day scientists accept long ages, and molecule-to-man evolution, sure...but does that make it so? The world's best minds once believed the Earth was flat and that the planet's revolved around the Earth...were they stupid? Or was it just the accepted science of the day, so that is all they were taught, and everything in their studies was viewed through that world-view? The evidence for Creation is all around you. It is in the rocks, the trees, the animals, under microscopes, and clearly displayed in the heavens above. The evidence for Creation is not different evidence, it is the interpretation that is different, because we see through a different worldview.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Romans 1.21
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Of course I've heard of these men, some great scientisds in their own right. But it's unfortunate that they couldn't live to see a standardized way of dating take shape. It's also quite unfortunate that you reject RCD as the right way. You lost me when you started quoting that ridiculous book though. I simply don't have the energy to go on and on about how wrong you are. Science has come a long way, we can actually leave earth to see that it is round, and we can date things to see how old they are. That's a fact. And it's one you'll have to accept. I'm curious if creationists spend all of their time looking for the most illogical arguments to hold up their theories that simply won't be around in 50 years.
It's too much work trying to prove something that's already been falsified over and over. Just give it up. There's no truth in that book. Zero. Nada. Zilth. You'd have better luck proving another, more ancient holy book to be true.
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How many labs have you worked in utilizing RCD? Uranium-lead? Potassium-Argon? Everyone spouts off Carbon-14 and has zero experience or even knowledge of how it works. All radiometric dating methods are based on great assumptions, and the only way they even "seem" accurate is because the dates that don't line up with the "estimate" are thrown out. The dates are "estimated" by the geologic column, which does not exist in reality, only in tax-payer funded textbooks. It is complete and total circular reasoning; a huge logical fallacy. The dates of fossils are estimated by what "layer" of rock they are found in. The "layer" of rocks are estimated to be a certain age, depending upon which fossils are found in them. Carbon-14 is NOT used to date ANYTHING that is estimated to be more than thousands of years (not millions and certainly not billions), because the half-life of Carbon is so short (relatively speaking).
The very fact that you even went there just proves you have no idea what you are talking about and blindly follow your god (modern science). You should take a good hard look deep down inside you, and realize you are blindly accepting the things you are being fed because you secretly DO NOT want the Bible to be true. You don't want a God to be in control, you want it, and you don't want to have to answer for your lust.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Romans 1.18-23

Your god is humanism, and your prophets are sinful, despicable men, that love their own minds and desires, more than the mercy of the God that created them.
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[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]

What part of this seems like it doesn't work for you?
When thousands of scientists all arrive at the same conclusion,
I would tend to believe them. And no, this is not relative in any way flat earth. Those ideas were based on conjecture. These are based on tried methods. And the creationist theory is based on what? A cultist, who believes the lies of modern religion so much, that he just has to prove science wrong? There's no convincing you people to even open your mind. I've read the bible... At no time did I feel like I was reading historical fact. These are stories, man. They're just stories. Stolen stories actually if you care to do some research.
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To those that believe every word of the King James version...

Take a trip to somewhere like the Grand Canyon, where you can clearly see, with your own eyes, millions of years of sediment layers in the rock walls.
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It was usually assumed alternating light and dark sedimentry features reflected a cyclical event, for example Spring floods and then dry, each layer a year. When Mt. Saint Helens erupted geologists saw 700 years of cycles laid down overnight.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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You guys do realize that the 'bible' is just a rewriting of all of the holy books that came before it, right? Why would anyone look for truth in a book that is not even original in its ideas? Perhaps you should check out the books that inspired it, or wait, you wouldn't read that either?
I love how you guys just turn a cheek to anything that might change your mind. If the truth stared you in the face, I have a feeling you'd just tturn away and act like children. Well, there's the truth, the earth is older than what you'd like.. so what? It doesn't disprove the bible, there are a million other things that do that just fine. Would you like some examples?
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sheep that don't think and research is your answer.
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Sorry to break it to you, but it is.


Choose to believe what you will. I promise you that one day the truth will be revealed to you and to everyone. Whether you choose to see it before it's too late for you will be your decision.
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rofl
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Produce it!
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go to a museum
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Been. Many mockup fictions about their theories. Not real science. Such as apes with human feet that were just created from someone's imagination.

What at the museum do you believe is older than 6000yo?

Creation Museums

[link to creationmuseums.com]
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funchrist
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I believe Jesus laughed.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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three words,t rex soft tissue,look it up

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